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2016/12/15 23:53:38 (permalink)
So time has come to do a new build and as much as I would love to go x99 the budget does not allow it, so I'm  going z170, the question is do i go i5 6600k or i7 6700k? When comparing there is 500mhz speed difference and the i7 has hyper threading, is there really much difference now with it? I never really much difference back on the first gen i7 vs i5 with it so didn't know if much has improved since
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    Re: Cant decide i5 or i7 2016/12/16 08:26:10 (permalink)
    I think these two CPU's are fairly evenly matched. I went with the i7 but if you want to save a few dollars the 6600K is the way to go.
     
    I have read reviews which stated that a 6600K did bottleneck a 980 Ti, though. I don't believe it will but something to consider in your research.
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    Re: Cant decide i5 or i7 2016/12/16 13:46:31 (permalink)
    How much of diffence does the amount pcie lanes matter? Probably wont do sli this time but i do want super fast hdd, maybe m.2 main drive.

                                   
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    Re: Cant decide i5 or i7 2016/12/16 13:48:08 (permalink)
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    How much of diffence does the amount pcie lanes matter? Probably wont do sli this time but i do want super fast hdd, maybe m.2 main drive.

    Both processors have 16 lanes of pci-e 3.0.


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    Re: Cant decide i5 or i7 2016/12/16 13:48:18 (permalink)
    Go i5 and overclock.  I run an 15 4670k and get 4.3 ghz and its plenty for games
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    Re: Cant decide i5 or i7 2016/12/16 13:51:04 (permalink)
    Ok, think i was looking at at 2011v3 that had more.

                                   
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    Re: Cant decide i5 or i7 2016/12/17 06:16:58 (permalink)
    i7
     
    Due to the fact one rarely upgrades a CPU, so you're stuck with whatever for years with any upgrade being costly.
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    Re: Cant decide i5 or i7 2016/12/17 07:10:19 (permalink)
    Do you like to make youtube videos or use photo shop, if so i would recommend i7.  
     
    My next system i build, i will be purchasing i7.
     
     
     
     

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    Re: Cant decide i5 or i7 2016/12/27 12:10:39 (permalink)
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    i7
     
    Due to the fact one rarely upgrades a CPU, so you're stuck with whatever for years with any upgrade being costly.




    Agreed. I always get the Mid-Level (Entry level????) i7 Chips.
     
    So I got the 920 Nehalem when the i7s first launched, and upgraded to a 4770k. That 920 was still barely bottlenecked when I upgraded it. If you are building a computer from scratch theres no reason imo to ever get an i5 when the combo deals bring the i7 prices down to a very affordable level.

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    Re: Cant decide i5 or i7 2016/12/27 14:42:15 (permalink)
    Check the forums and info on the sites of software and games you want to play.
     
    I'd make sure to exceed the minimum requirements for software that you use often.
     
    32GB RAM is not a big help over 16GB maybe move RAM monies to CPU fund ?
     
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    Re: Cant decide i5 or i7 2017/04/16 00:07:09 (permalink)
    ended up going i5, since i did the stepup to the 270 classy i went with the 7600k, thing is a beast, had it up to 5ghz but was a bit unstable so im going to stick with 4.4~4.5 till i get better cooling and time to really tinker with it.

                                   
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    Re: Cant decide i5 or i7 2017/04/16 08:38:46 (permalink)
    @ quadlatte Ref: PTPP 
    Sorry Typo "(Even This Program will not help you with a Fried CPU that you have done this to it.)" (decide)
    quadlatte please do not tell me you delided.
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    Re: Cant decide i5 or i7 2017/04/16 10:11:48 (permalink)
    Nope, not on a new still under warranty one.

                                   
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    Re: Cant decide i5 or i7 2017/04/16 12:47:41 (permalink)
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    ended up going i5, since i did the stepup to the 270 classy i went with the 7600k, thing is a beast, had it up to 5ghz but was a bit unstable so im going to stick with 4.4~4.5 till i get better cooling and time to really tinker with it.


    I'm using the same CPU for a four board Folding rig using a ASRock Z270 Supercarrier. At least I know what kind of OC I should be able to get out of it. My first mobo was DOA but since I bought a Virago 750 Motorcycle instead of upgrading to a pair of GTX-1080 ti with waterblocks I have lost most interest in my PCs. Nothing like that feeling of the wind in your face!
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    Re: Cant decide i5 or i7 2017/04/16 22:59:19 (permalink)
    Well just hope that another game developer doesn't try to shoe in exclusive content for i7 users again.
     
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    Re: Cant decide i5 or i7 2017/04/17 04:49:11 (permalink)
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    Well just hope that another game developer doesn't try to shoe in exclusive content for i7 users again.
     
    Looking at you Arizona Sunshine :I


    I got Arizona Sunshine for my HTC Vive. I did not know it required an i7. This PC has the i7-4790k so I have no worries. The truth is that I bought it on sale before I knew it was a VR game. My bad but in my defense I am over 60. A few weeks later I foolishly bought the HTC Vive just because it was $100 off with free headphones thrown in. Now I want to sell it since I only used it twice and the second time I forgot to calibrate it properly. Doh!
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    Re: Cant decide i5 or i7 2017/04/18 18:35:35 (permalink)
    Definitely go i7.  Like someone else said, you usually end up with a CPU for quite a while.  I bought the 6600K and pretty much regretted it immediately.  I ended up with the 6700K and I'm much happier.
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    Re: Cant decide i5 or i7 2017/04/18 20:24:49 (permalink)
    I went with the 7600k, every benchmark i seen could justify the extra $100.00 for the i7, i dont really use any programs that would benefit from the HT and they both clock to about the same level.

                                   
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    Re: Cant decide i5 or i7 2017/04/20 00:51:06 (permalink)
    Go with the i7.  4 cores with no hyperthreading is starting to show signs of bottlenecking.  Modern Ubisoft games recommend an i7 now.  Even Fallout 4 benefited from the 8 threads of an i7 x700K series CPU.  I'm guessing you plan on keeping the processor for a few years at least.  With that being the case, an i5 will most certainly bottleneck GPUs in more scenarios moving forward.  It even bottlenecks a GTX 970 in some games, which is an outdated graphics card.  

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    Re: Cant decide i5 or i7 2017/04/20 06:03:47 (permalink)
    It bottle necks a 970? Yet to see any reviews stating that. I did see a few that did show the i7 performing better at stock clocks but when clocked the same it was not as much, single threaded apps were basically neck and neck. So i went with the i5, the $100 price difference between them just couldnt be justified ( of course newegg has the i7 on sale now, go figure ) every app and game i have runs silky smooth and that with the eye candy turned up, with vsync on and frames capped at 120 it doesnt matter if one runs it at 180 and the other at 188, im never going to see it.

                                   
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    Re: Cant decide i5 or i7 2017/04/20 07:39:42 (permalink)
    I have the i5 7600k myself, pretty good processor and didn't bother oc yet. Curious though why my machine is at 38C when idling, probably because of my air setup. 
     
    Like many others I couldn't afford the i7 and I have no regrets with my i5 either.  
     
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    Re: Cant decide i5 or i7 2017/04/20 17:17:53 (permalink)
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    I have the i5 7600k myself, pretty good processor and didn't bother oc yet. Curious though why my machine is at 38C when idling, probably because of my air setup. 
     
    Like many others I couldn't afford the i7 and I have no regrets with my i5 either.  
     
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    Few possible reasons.
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    2. Poor air flow.
    3. Cooler inadequate or needs reseat.
    4. [NOT FOR EVERYBODY] Delid CPU and reapply your own TIM to drop temps by anywhere from 10 to 20 degrees.

    Intel IHS does not make great contact with the CPU. I just did a delid on my 6700K and dropped temps by about 15C. Very risky, and not recommended unless you are trying to get everything you can out if your CPU.


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    Re: Cant decide i5 or i7 2017/04/20 18:57:12 (permalink)
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    It bottle necks a 970? 

    No, that guy is smoking something (and doesn't understand how bottlenecks work).
     
    If you are on a budget, the extra $100 is almost always better spent on more GPU vs more CPU.
     
    The CPU is what defines the maximum FPS you can get (turn off all effects, setting low, 800x600 resolution, that's your max FPS the CPU can do). Thus the CPU is always the bottleneck until you raise resolution, setting, and effects to the point where the GPU becomes the bottleneck (FPS drops from CPU max). There will ALWAYS be a bottleneck (and it varies per game), thus why I don't understand everyone's obsession over it, I guess it's trendy now or something.
     
    So sure, CS:GO (or any easy to render game) would be "bottlenecked" by any decent CPU with a 970, at something like 200 FPS. Until you raise the resolution to like 8k, then the GPU probably starts to slow it down. Thus you can see why talking about a CPU bottleneck without mention of the game or resolution is just silly.
     
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    Re: Cant decide i5 or i7 2017/04/21 10:44:51 (permalink)
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    It bottle necks a 970? 

    No, that guy is smoking something (and doesn't understand how bottlenecks work).
     
    If you are on a budget, the extra $100 is almost always better spent on more GPU vs more CPU.
     
    The CPU is what defines the maximum FPS you can get (turn off all effects, setting low, 800x600 resolution, that's your max FPS the CPU can do). Thus the CPU is always the bottleneck until you raise resolution, setting, and effects to the point where the GPU becomes the bottleneck (FPS drops from CPU max). There will ALWAYS be a bottleneck (and it varies per game), thus why I don't understand everyone's obsession over it, I guess it's trendy now or something.
     
    So sure, CS:GO (or any easy to render game) would be "bottlenecked" by any decent CPU with a 970, at something like 200 FPS. Until you raise the resolution to like 8k, then the GPU probably starts to slow it down. Thus you can see why talking about a CPU bottleneck without mention of the game or resolution is just silly.
     


    It's a sign of weakness when you must rely on petty slander to argue with someone. CPU bottlenecks occur anytime the CPU is under such a heavy load that the GPU cannot be fully utilized. Resolution is not the only factor. Draw calls are also an important factor. If you consider an engine such as Ubisoft's Anvil, you'll see a perfect example of how the polygon count leads to much higher draw calls, bottlenecking even a GTX 970. I'm on a mobile device, so it's not feasible to produce a bunch of links, but look up Jokerproduction's Assassin's Creed Syndicate performance review, in which he shows a 970 being bottlenecked by an i5 Skylake processor. Fallout 4 shows similar results. Gamersnexus also shows clear differences between an i5 and i7 in certain titles.

    It's not as simple as "super high end graphics card plus low end CPU at low resolution equals CPU bottleneck." Technically, ANY CPU is a bottleneck for ANY video card in various strategy games like Civ VI in-between turns, as the CPU load increases dramatically in an attempt to simulate the AI decisions. You'll notice GPU usage decreases dramatically and frame rates decrease as well. This has NOTHING to do with resolution. Hence, you need to think a little harder about what induces a CPU bottleneck. The bottom line Is, games are starting to use more than 4 threads and the mentality from 5 years ago simply doesn't hold anymore. It's only going to become more prevalent as time progresses, especially since Ryzen has increased the core count for the mainstream.

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    Re: Cant decide i5 or i7 2017/04/21 11:43:07 (permalink)
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    I have the i5 7600k myself, pretty good processor and didn't bother oc yet. Curious though why my machine is at 38C when idling, probably because of my air setup. 
     
    Like many others I couldn't afford the i7 and I have no regrets with my i5 either.  
     
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    Could be, heard some boards that a bios update can help. I use a corsair h100i and idle around 25~27c

                                   
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    Re: Cant decide i5 or i7 2017/04/21 12:01:48 (permalink)
    Since i dont run any of those it does not matter to me, if was interested in just max fps ( ie 100+ ) then maybe i would have some concern, but i usually have vsync on i really wouldnt notice anything above 60 anyway, and every thing i run never dips below that, same with benchmarks, i run them for some testing and to drop in my modrigs page but thats it, to me maximum stability is the most important thing.

                                   
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    Re: Cant decide i5 or i7 2017/04/21 12:01:49 (permalink)
    Since i dont run any of those it does not matter to me, if was interested in just max fps ( ie 100+ ) then maybe i would have some concern, but i usually have vsync on i really wouldnt notice anything above 60 anyway, and every thing i run never dips below that, same with benchmarks, i run them for some testing and to drop in my modrigs page but thats it, to me maximum stability is the most important thing.

                                   
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    Re: Cant decide i5 or i7 2017/04/21 12:01:50 (permalink)
    Since i dont run any of those it does not matter to me, if was interested in just max fps ( ie 100+ ) then maybe i would have some concern, but i usually have vsync on i really wouldnt notice anything above 60 anyway, and every thing i run never dips below that, same with benchmarks, i run them for some testing and to drop in my modrigs page but thats it, to me maximum stability is the most important thing.

                                   
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    Re: Cant decide i5 or i7 2017/04/21 12:03:02 (permalink)
    Lol, could a mod delete two of my triple post, stupid mobile web

                                   
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    Re: Cant decide i5 or i7 2017/04/21 19:59:49 (permalink)
    I had an i5 4690K and moved to an i7 4790k, Honestly the performance was pretty much even.

    however, I wanted HT just in case, so stayed with the 4790k. If you game, i7 surely cant hurt, same with doing photoshop and the likes.

    If you got the coin, go i7, if your tight budget, go i5.

    Seen you went with the i5. Nice budget choice. Kudo's! my next will be an i7 again, but not till sometime next year.






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