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2019/10/27 09:44:34 (permalink)
I am not considering a upgrade to my desktop. I have the ASUS ROG Maximus XI Hero (Wi-Fi) Z390 semi picked out for the mobo but I am also looking at some others. I have had pretty good luck with the ROG boards in the past which is why I picked this one.
  The big question is picking the CPU. I am considering the i9 9900k, which I think it at the top if the list. There is also the i9 9900kf, which should be cheaper but it is not.. and finally the i7 9700k
  I mostly play games but as I run 3 monitors, i tend to have several other things open, like a messenger, firefox and several windows open as well as maybe youtube playing.
   I have not really found the answer if I would benefit from the extra threads as well as hyperthreading from the i9 chips or will the i7 do the job.
  I am also a little concerned about buying into a soon to be replaced chipset on the mobo, like I found with my last one even though its lasted a good 2 years now, id hate to get a new mobo then find the next gen of chips that may come out in the next 6 months take a entirely new chipset and I got to do this all over again if I want one of the new chips.
  and I see i need to put the new system into my sig.

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    Re: CPU choices... 2019/10/27 11:21:35 (permalink)
    The i9 9900KS is coming out in a few weeks from the news I've seen on it, might be worth the wait if you are about to do a platform refresh. We will also be getting the new 10 series chips for the X299 motherboards, the i9 10900X is looking decent for $590. It's all supposed to happen in November... Including AMD's Ryzen 9 3950X that is probably going to be very hard to get because they could not make a lot of them.

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    Re: CPU choices... 2019/10/27 12:13:59 (permalink)
    I'm not 100% sure but I heard rumors that the newer 9900KS would be on a new socket.

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    Re: CPU choices... 2019/10/27 12:28:24 (permalink)
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    I'm not 100% sure but I heard rumors that the newer 9900KS would be on a new socket.


     then, if that is true, it would be best to wait and see, hate to get locked into a socket and have them switch a month later
     
    might be for the best, gives me a little more time to see if I want a new case as well. Id really like a USB c on the front panel
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    Re: CPU choices... 2019/10/27 15:14:02 (permalink)
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    I'm not 100% sure but I heard rumors that the newer 9900KS would be on a new socket.


    then, if that is true, it would be best to wait and see, hate to get locked into a socket and have them switch a month later
     
    might be for the best, gives me a little more time to see if I want a new case as well. Id really like a USB c on the front panel




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    Re: CPU choices... 2019/10/28 11:16:01 (permalink)
    Gotta agree, just wait the extra month for the Black Friday deals on a 9700 or 9900 because these new releases should force prices down on top of the sales.


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    Re: CPU choices... 2019/10/28 11:33:24 (permalink)
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    The i9 9900KS is coming out in a few weeks from the news I've seen on it, might be worth the wait if you are about to do a platform refresh. We will also be getting the new 10 series chips for the X299 motherboards, the i9 10900X is looking decent for $590. It's all supposed to happen in November... Including AMD's Ryzen 9 3950X that is probably going to be very hard to get because they could not make a lot of them.


    Seeing a lot of negative feedback on this new CPU in several forums. 127 watts of TDP is high and many 9900K CPUs can overclock all cores to 5GHZ

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    Re: CPU choices... 2019/10/28 11:37:04 (permalink)
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    Gotta agree, just wait the extra month for the Black Friday deals on a 9700 or 9900 because these new releases should force prices down on top of the sales.


     That is the plan for now, id love a i9 9900kx, whichever i decide to get. My worry at the moment is proper cooling. I have a corsair H150i which I am not sure will cool a 9900 properly to get it to 5ghz, if I need a bigger cooler, i need a new case.. then I am looking at pretty much a new build.

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    Re: CPU choices... 2019/10/28 11:51:55 (permalink)
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    Gotta agree, just wait the extra month for the Black Friday deals on a 9700 or 9900 because these new releases should force prices down on top of the sales.


    That is the plan for now, id love a i9 9900kx, whichever i decide to get. My worry at the moment is proper cooling. I have a corsair H150i which I am not sure will cool a 9900 properly to get it to 5ghz, if I need a bigger cooler, i need a new case.. then I am looking at pretty much a new build.




    If a 360mm AIO can't cool any CPU properly, either there's something wrong with the cooler (Fans/pump too low?), ambient temps, case air flow, TIM, bad seat, etc.

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    Re: CPU choices... 2019/10/28 12:16:32 (permalink)
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    Gotta agree, just wait the extra month for the Black Friday deals on a 9700 or 9900 because these new releases should force prices down on top of the sales.


    That is the plan for now, id love a i9 9900kx, whichever i decide to get. My worry at the moment is proper cooling. I have a corsair H150i which I am not sure will cool a 9900 properly to get it to 5ghz, if I need a bigger cooler, i need a new case.. then I am looking at pretty much a new build.




    If a 360mm AIO can't cool any CPU properly, either there's something wrong with the cooler (Fans/pump too low?), ambient temps, case air flow, TIM, bad seat, etc.


    its not a 360, its a 280

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    Re: CPU choices... 2019/10/28 15:16:28 (permalink)
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    Gotta agree, just wait the extra month for the Black Friday deals on a 9700 or 9900 because these new releases should force prices down on top of the sales.


    That is the plan for now, id love a i9 9900kx, whichever i decide to get. My worry at the moment is proper cooling. I have a corsair H150i which I am not sure will cool a 9900 properly to get it to 5ghz, if I need a bigger cooler, i need a new case.. then I am looking at pretty much a new build.




    If a 360mm AIO can't cool any CPU properly, either there's something wrong with the cooler (Fans/pump too low?), ambient temps, case air flow, TIM, bad seat, etc.


    its not a 360, its a 280




    A H150i as you stated is a 360mm AIO. 
     
    Regardless, a 280mm should be fine as well.

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    Re: CPU choices... 2019/10/28 15:36:37 (permalink)
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    Gotta agree, just wait the extra month for the Black Friday deals on a 9700 or 9900 because these new releases should force prices down on top of the sales.


    That is the plan for now, id love a i9 9900kx, whichever i decide to get. My worry at the moment is proper cooling. I have a corsair H150i which I am not sure will cool a 9900 properly to get it to 5ghz, if I need a bigger cooler, i need a new case.. then I am looking at pretty much a new build.




    If a 360mm AIO can't cool any CPU properly, either there's something wrong with the cooler (Fans/pump too low?), ambient temps, case air flow, TIM, bad seat, etc.


    its not a 360, its a 280




    A H150i as you stated is a 360mm AIO. 
     
    Regardless, a 280mm should be fine as well.


    my mistake, its a 115 not a 150

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    Re: CPU choices... 2019/10/28 16:43:50 (permalink)
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    A H150i as you stated is a 360mm AIO. 
     
    Regardless, a 280mm should be fine as well.


    my mistake, its a 115 not a 150




    Yeah a 280 is nearly the same surface area as a 360 due to being much wider.  A 240 would be where there's a significant step down.

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    Re: CPU choices... 2019/11/03 09:32:16 (permalink)
    Just checked the price on Amazon for the 9900ks.. $598.00. thats one heck of a SE tax they got going.

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    Re: CPU choices... 2019/11/03 09:39:35 (permalink)
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    Just checked the price on Amazon for the 9900ks.. $598.00. thats one heck of a SE tax they got going.


    yes, & not that big of a performance jump ... unless your chasing world record runs
     
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    Re: CPU choices... 2019/11/03 10:46:37 (permalink)
    I was considering the KS but at that price i think i'll either look at something else, or wait for the new 10900 when its released. I mean if I am going to need to get a new mobo, i may as well get the new chipset as well.

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    Re: CPU choices... 2019/11/03 16:28:40 (permalink)
    If you have a Microcenter around, you can get a i7 9800X for $380 before tax. They did good on that processor, the one I had for a short while ran very cool since they actually soldered the IHS on for those ones.
     
    The i9 9900KS is no different than a factory overclocked video card, you pay to not have to play the silicon lottery and run overclocking software. The Z series chipset on Intel isn't for enthusiasts... If's for the gamer that wants to turn on their PC, play games, and browse the internet with as little upkeep as possible.

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    Re: CPU choices... 2019/11/04 14:48:57 (permalink)
    I saw the 9900KS described once as the "9900 Keep Spending" model lol

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    Re: CPU choices... 2019/11/04 19:34:27 (permalink)
    Definitely X299 with one of the new 10xxx chips.
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    Re: CPU choices... 2019/11/05 12:38:27 (permalink)
    I was looking at those 10xxx chips and unless they take a good OC i dont think they would be much better then the 9900k, unless the x299 is much better then the Z390 boards.
      I still have not really got a good answer on the whole hyperthreading thing. Seems its worse in some games, but I should get it over the 9700k due to it being more futureproof..
     
     I am leaning to just licking up a 9900k and hoping it OCs well. Now to deciding on a good board to pare it with.

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    Re: CPU choices... 2019/11/05 14:05:28 (permalink)
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    I was looking at those 10xxx chips and unless they take a good OC i dont think they would be much better then the 9900k, unless the x299 is much better then the Z390 boards.
      I still have not really got a good answer on the whole hyperthreading thing. Seems its worse in some games, but I should get it over the 9700k due to it being more futureproof..
     
     I am leaning to just licking up a 9900k and hoping it OCs well. Now to deciding on a good board to pare it with.




    Before I jumped ship and went with a Ryzen 3700X I was going to do a 9900K with a Gigabyte Z390 Master.  Gigabyte seems to have some of the best boards for overclocking those this time due to their VRM section and both Gigabyte and the ASrock Taichi series kept popping up everywhere I asked over other boards.  One thing that was mentioned to me was if you plan to use Quick Sync to help with stuff like Premiere that you have to make sure the board has a display output (not sure if it needs to be HDMI or if min DP like the Z390 Dark will work) otherwise that feature won't be available.  Z390 FTW doesn't have that for sure, also the MSI boards don't IIRC.

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    Re: CPU choices... 2019/11/05 14:50:22 (permalink)
    I been looking at the Maximus XI hero and the Gene with the gene being better powerwise as well as the Master. the Master and the Hero seem to be about equal in price with the Gene being more expensive by about $100 but they say its on the top tier for OCing powerwise. I have used the Asus bios before and I am hearing the Gigabyte bios is not that great, so that could be a factor as well.

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    Re: CPU choices... 2019/11/05 16:06:21 (permalink)
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    I been looking at the Maximus XI hero and the Gene with the gene being better powerwise as well as the Master. the Master and the Hero seem to be about equal in price with the Gene being more expensive by about $100 but they say its on the top tier for OCing powerwise. I have used the Asus bios before and I am hearing the Gigabyte bios is not that great, so that could be a factor as well.




    I just downloaded and installed the new F10 BIOS for my Z390 Master. It was pretty easy. They changed up the layout a little bit, but overall it's pretty much the same. The overclocking software is what I use for my overclocking and it's pretty solid, playing around with my i7 9700K I had 4 cores at 5.4GHz. The amplified USB ports are the primary reason I went with Gigabyte. 

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    Re: CPU choices... 2019/11/05 16:51:31 (permalink)
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    I been looking at the Maximus XI hero and the Gene with the gene being better powerwise as well as the Master. the Master and the Hero seem to be about equal in price with the Gene being more expensive by about $100 but they say its on the top tier for OCing powerwise. I have used the Asus bios before and I am hearing the Gigabyte bios is not that great, so that could be a factor as well.




    I just downloaded and installed the new F10 BIOS for my Z390 Master. It was pretty easy. They changed up the layout a little bit, but overall it's pretty much the same. The overclocking software is what I use for my overclocking and it's pretty solid, playing around with my i7 9700K I had 4 cores at 5.4GHz. The amplified USB ports are the primary reason I went with Gigabyte. 


    I used the asus software to OC my 7700, I can only get to 4.9 though, but I really have not tweeked things to much.

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    Re: CPU choices... 2019/11/16 12:44:51 (permalink)
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    I am not considering a upgrade to my desktop. I have the ASUS ROG Maximus XI Hero (Wi-Fi) Z390 semi picked out for the mobo but I am also looking at some others. I have had pretty good luck with the ROG boards in the past which is why I picked this one.
      The big question is picking the CPU. I am considering the i9 9900k, which I think it at the top if the list. There is also the i9 9900kf, which should be cheaper but it is not.. and finally the i7 9700k
      I mostly play games but as I run 3 monitors, i tend to have several other things open, like a messenger, firefox and several windows open as well as maybe youtube playing.
       I have not really found the answer if I would benefit from the extra threads as well as hyperthreading from the i9 chips or will the i7 do the job.
      I am also a little concerned about buying into a soon to be replaced chipset on the mobo, like I found with my last one even though its lasted a good 2 years now, id hate to get a new mobo then find the next gen of chips that may come out in the next 6 months take a entirely new chipset and I got to do this all over again if I want one of the new chips.
      and I see i need to put the new system into my sig.




    I just built an i7 9700K System with that board. No issues what so ever. I'm using a CLC 280 from EVGA and have no problems cooling the 9700K @ 5GHz.

    https://www.3dmark.com/spy/9253486

    i9 9900K is nice with HyperThreading, but Still quite happy with it. Was a large bump in CPU performance versus my i7 4790K.
     
    Hyperthreading will only help you keep using the i9 in the future as some games are maxing out the 9700k. If you want to future proof, go the i9 9900k or KF. 9900K for me was out of reach, so went with the 9700K.

    https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/9253486/spy/7965565
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    Re: CPU choices... 2019/11/17 05:55:54 (permalink)
    Why not go for AMD?
    Sure the 9900K is still the best at gaming but the Ryzen 7 3700X can keep up in a lot of tasks with the 9900K and is cheaper.
    I know AMD is a big evil nasty word for some folks but the zen2 platform is pretty awesome in my book.
     
    I am not a AMD fanboy mind you but right now Intel is looking a bit silly.
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    Re: CPU choices... 2019/11/17 13:27:38 (permalink)
    Never really considered AMD, i just am used to intel I guess. I might need to look harder at it.

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    Re: CPU choices... 2019/11/17 15:11:29 (permalink)
    Its just a little hard to ignore AMD right now as they offer loads right now.
    AMD isnt perfect but I am rooting for them a little


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    Re: CPU choices... 2019/11/17 17:22:38 (permalink)
    anything to help bring down the prices, although it looks like AMD is taking after Intel with their pricing

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    Re: CPU choices... 2019/11/17 17:46:31 (permalink)
    Well in the case of both the Ryzen 9 3900X and the 3950X I do think AMD has good justification of the price more then intel does.
     
     
    Remember the 3900X is a 12 core 24 thread processor so it makes sense why its $500
    I can also justify the cost of the 3950X as well as both of these kinds of core and thread counts are locked on intels enthusiast grade hardware whereas the 3950X is actually on a mainstream platform this making the incentive to buy it very appealing.
    Then there is the 3950X which at $750 but that is pennies compared to intels offerings.
    This is pretty much the same thing that happened when AMD launched the 1800X, again its launch price was pretty high at $500
    It was easy to compare it to the price point on the losing side when talking about games compared to the 8700K but again it was (true) 8 core 16 thread processor for the mainstream.
    Its practically the same situation with the 3950X, its price is insane for mainsteream but is a total steal for enthusiast grade processors.
    The big issue right now of intel is that they have a supply issue and cant mark down the higher end stuff.
    AMD is really being good at taking this opportunity here.


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