gravedigger78
If I was a commuter who was frequently in stop and go traffic I would want an Automatic.
If I was an F1 driver I would want one of those fancy double clutch auto thingys.
When I am off roading I wouldn't trade my Manual trans trucks for the world.
My daily driver would have to be a manual.  It is just to much fun. I will always be in the gear I want to be in.
 
Oh yeah and I love when the EPA disclosure says "actual mileage will vary" which basically means "our estimates are completely inaccurate".  For those who say autos get better gas mileage than manuals nowadays, I am skeptical.  I know for some it will be true but those cars are few and far between.
 

RainStryke

kram36

RainStryke
Not really sure why you would want a automatic to race a car or run it on a performance basis... For every day vehicles where people might be looking for a more comfortable ride, you will definitely want a CVT transmission.

Because they are actually faster.

What about for drifting?

ty_ger07

donta1979
manual all the way, you can down shift, to save your breaks, you can down shift when you get the rpms just right to go faster. Manual transmission last longer.

Except for the clutch which is a wear item guaranteed to fail sooner or later. ;)

ty_ger07

donta1979
manual all the way, you can down shift, to save your breaks, you can down shift when you get the rpms just right to go faster. Manual transmission last longer.

Except for the clutch which is a wear item guaranteed to fail sooner or later. ;)

JustinHEMI

zeroseoul
Auto vs Manual will always be an area of arguments.
 
Everyday situations, auto is ideal, although manual would be OK.
Motorsports, most, if not all motorsports have manual transmission. Flappy Paddle gearboxes are still manual. (F1 cars use a interesting clutch system)
 
Some of you guys argue that automatically shift faster, in this day and age automatics have come a long way. Automatics can shift significantly faster than what a professional can shift at, but a lot of people are missing the point when they argue that Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche, Mclaren, etc have fitted automatic transmissions. But these are the upper end of the automotive world, these transmissions are far from what you would get in any entry level car, mid range car, even in BMW's or Mercs.
 
Furthermore, most of these monsters of machines come with a "manual" flappy paddle gearbox mode for when you are on the track. While automatics are getting smarter and smarter, theres nothing like being in an automatic and going around a corner and the car thinking it is smart puts the car into 6th gear because you are off the pedal.

I'm OK with the tranny in my challenger being the same as the one that they put in Bentley's and rolls Royce's.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZF_8HP_transmission


Yes it has the same special clutching and "flappy" paddles.


Justin

ARCTIC_EAGLE

gravedigger78
I know people claim modern autos get better gas mileage, but I always beat the estimated MPG when I drive real light in mine.

That's the problem with auto vs manual, the auto estimated MPG is pretty much what you're gonna get, where as a manual can get varying mpg based on when you shift and how much you coast. You can also, more easily, use the engine to brake you car which cuts down on wear on the pads and rotor.

-ZS-Carpenter

kram36
 
Flappy Paddle gearboxes are not manuals. Yes they have a clutch system, but does not require you to move your leg and take your hand off the steering wheel to grab a stick and shift to the next gear. These are automatic transmissions.

they also have an auto mode on most models so you can eat that burger you just grabbed at the drive though while your getting back on the express way without dropping it in your lap
 

kram36
 
That's a nice trans and exactly what -ZS-Carpenter was getting at in the op of this thread. These quick shifting autos are not just for Ferrari, Lambo, Porsche and such anymore. These are coming to rather affordable cars now.
 

Well after reading this thread you have no control of the trans at all, it is slow and breaks down all the time
 

bill1024
 
I haven't had one of these new autos yet. I know on the older autos they made shift kits that improved performance.
Are the new autos programmable where you can go in the computer and set shift points and so on?

They have a manual mode where you shift the gears. you move the shifter from "D" to "M" and have full control of the shifts at all times. Leave it in first and you will bang off the rev limiter all day unless you shift it into second. It will not do it for you. It will do a few automated shifts at certain times, like if you have it in top gear and come to a stop, it will put itself in 1st so you are ready to go when you hit the gas and not in 6th or whatever number of gears it has. The control over what gear you are in is no different than a manual.

ARCTIC_EAGLE

-ZS-Carpenter

kram36
 
Flappy Paddle gearboxes are not manuals. Yes they have a clutch system, but does not require you to move your leg and take your hand off the steering wheel to grab a stick and shift to the next gear. These are automatic transmissions.

they also have an auto mode on most models so you can eat that burger you just grabbed at the drive though while your getting back on the express way without dropping it in your lap
 

kram36
 
That's a nice trans and exactly what -ZS-Carpenter was getting at in the op of this thread. These quick shifting autos are not just for Ferrari, Lambo, Porsche and such anymore. These are coming to rather affordable cars now.
 

Well after reading this thread you have no control of the trans at all, it is slow and breaks down all the time
 

bill1024
 
I haven't had one of these new autos yet. I know on the older autos they made shift kits that improved performance.
Are the new autos programmable where you can go in the computer and set shift points and so on?

They have a manual mode where you shift the gears. you move the shifter from "D" to "M" and have full control of the shifts at all times. Leave it in first and you will bang off the rev limiter all day unless you shift it into second. It will not do it for you. It will do a few automated shifts at certain times, like if you have it in top gear and come to a stop, it will put itself in 1st so you are ready to go when you hit the gas and not in 6th or whatever number of gears it has. The control over what gear you are in is no different than a manual.

It takes no skill to click a button, a frickin kid could do that. If you drive an auto, its not driving, its laying there and moving a wheel a bit, there's no thinking, no skill, nothing.

-ZS-Carpenter

ARCTIC_EAGLE

-ZS-Carpenter

kram36
 
Flappy Paddle gearboxes are not manuals. Yes they have a clutch system, but does not require you to move your leg and take your hand off the steering wheel to grab a stick and shift to the next gear. These are automatic transmissions.

they also have an auto mode on most models so you can eat that burger you just grabbed at the drive though while your getting back on the express way without dropping it in your lap
 

kram36
 
That's a nice trans and exactly what -ZS-Carpenter was getting at in the op of this thread. These quick shifting autos are not just for Ferrari, Lambo, Porsche and such anymore. These are coming to rather affordable cars now.
 

Well after reading this thread you have no control of the trans at all, it is slow and breaks down all the time
 

bill1024
 
I haven't had one of these new autos yet. I know on the older autos they made shift kits that improved performance.
Are the new autos programmable where you can go in the computer and set shift points and so on?

They have a manual mode where you shift the gears. you move the shifter from "D" to "M" and have full control of the shifts at all times. Leave it in first and you will bang off the rev limiter all day unless you shift it into second. It will not do it for you. It will do a few automated shifts at certain times, like if you have it in top gear and come to a stop, it will put itself in 1st so you are ready to go when you hit the gas and not in 6th or whatever number of gears it has. The control over what gear you are in is no different than a manual.

It takes no skill to click a button, a frickin kid could do that. If you drive an auto, its not driving, its laying there and moving a wheel a bit, there's no thinking, no skill, nothing.

please tell that to all the F1 and rally drivers, they sure seem to have no skill what so ever. They are just laying in that reclined seat moving the wheel a bit doing nothing, anyone could do that

ARCTIC_EAGLE

-ZS-Carpenter

ARCTIC_EAGLE

-ZS-Carpenter

kram36
 
Flappy Paddle gearboxes are not manuals. Yes they have a clutch system, but does not require you to move your leg and take your hand off the steering wheel to grab a stick and shift to the next gear. These are automatic transmissions.

they also have an auto mode on most models so you can eat that burger you just grabbed at the drive though while your getting back on the express way without dropping it in your lap
 

kram36
 
That's a nice trans and exactly what -ZS-Carpenter was getting at in the op of this thread. These quick shifting autos are not just for Ferrari, Lambo, Porsche and such anymore. These are coming to rather affordable cars now.
 

Well after reading this thread you have no control of the trans at all, it is slow and breaks down all the time
 

bill1024
 
I haven't had one of these new autos yet. I know on the older autos they made shift kits that improved performance.
Are the new autos programmable where you can go in the computer and set shift points and so on?

They have a manual mode where you shift the gears. you move the shifter from "D" to "M" and have full control of the shifts at all times. Leave it in first and you will bang off the rev limiter all day unless you shift it into second. It will not do it for you. It will do a few automated shifts at certain times, like if you have it in top gear and come to a stop, it will put itself in 1st so you are ready to go when you hit the gas and not in 6th or whatever number of gears it has. The control over what gear you are in is no different than a manual.

It takes no skill to click a button, a frickin kid could do that. If you drive an auto, its not driving, its laying there and moving a wheel a bit, there's no thinking, no skill, nothing.

please tell that to all the F1 and rally drivers, they sure seem to have no skill what so ever. They are just laying in that reclined seat moving the wheel a bit doing nothing, anyone could do that

Ya, because we're talking about F1, what an idiotic thing to say. Oh look F1 is totally the same as a everyday drive, look at me I can pull out a pointless idiotic straw man too make it look like I won. HEY GUYS AUTOS AM I RIGHT LOL MANUALS ARE FOR PLEBS, US F1 DRIVERS USE AUTOS, AM I RIGHT?

ARCTIC_EAGLE

-ZS-Carpenter

ARCTIC_EAGLE

-ZS-Carpenter

kram36
 
Flappy Paddle gearboxes are not manuals. Yes they have a clutch system, but does not require you to move your leg and take your hand off the steering wheel to grab a stick and shift to the next gear. These are automatic transmissions.

they also have an auto mode on most models so you can eat that burger you just grabbed at the drive though while your getting back on the express way without dropping it in your lap
 

kram36
 
That's a nice trans and exactly what -ZS-Carpenter was getting at in the op of this thread. These quick shifting autos are not just for Ferrari, Lambo, Porsche and such anymore. These are coming to rather affordable cars now.
 

Well after reading this thread you have no control of the trans at all, it is slow and breaks down all the time
 

bill1024
 
I haven't had one of these new autos yet. I know on the older autos they made shift kits that improved performance.
Are the new autos programmable where you can go in the computer and set shift points and so on?

They have a manual mode where you shift the gears. you move the shifter from "D" to "M" and have full control of the shifts at all times. Leave it in first and you will bang off the rev limiter all day unless you shift it into second. It will not do it for you. It will do a few automated shifts at certain times, like if you have it in top gear and come to a stop, it will put itself in 1st so you are ready to go when you hit the gas and not in 6th or whatever number of gears it has. The control over what gear you are in is no different than a manual.

It takes no skill to click a button, a frickin kid could do that. If you drive an auto, its not driving, its laying there and moving a wheel a bit, there's no thinking, no skill, nothing.

please tell that to all the F1 and rally drivers, they sure seem to have no skill what so ever. They are just laying in that reclined seat moving the wheel a bit doing nothing, anyone could do that

Ya, because we're talking about F1, what an idiotic thing to say. Oh look F1 is totally the same as a everyday drive, look at me I can pull out a pointless idiotic straw man too make it look like I won. HEY GUYS AUTOS AM I RIGHT LOL MANUALS ARE FOR PLEBS, US F1 DRIVERS USE AUTOS, AM I RIGHT?