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 You can also, more easily, use the engine to brake you car which cuts down on wear on the pads and rotor.

 
This is more misinformation. It is easier to downshift(unless you have a manual with rev matching then it is the same) in a tiptronic/dual clutch since you don't have to heal/toe shift. It is a simple couple bumps of the stick or paddle to drop into a lower gear.
 
We are NOT talking about your grandmothers '84 buick. We are talking about modern autos.
 
 

LOL, way too prove why autos are crap, it takes ZERO skill, click a button and lets go rice. Any moron can get in an auto and drive it, literally anyone, a kid could do it without any trouble. If the government outlawed autos 99.99% of the idiotic drivers on the road would be gone.

you are really proving you have no idea what your talking about so I'm just going to let you think your right and leave it at that.

Best plan.

Justin

JustinHEMI

Best plan.

Justin

Yep, done with that.

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JustinHEMI

Best plan.

Justin

Yep, done with that.

I'm sorry I proved you wrong, are you sad now?

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 You can also, more easily, use the engine to brake you car which cuts down on wear on the pads and rotor.

 
This is more misinformation. It is easier to downshift(unless you have a manual with rev matching then it is the same) in a tiptronic/dual clutch since you don't have to heal/toe shift. It is a simple couple bumps of the stick or paddle to drop into a lower gear.
 
We are NOT talking about your grandmothers '84 buick. We are talking about modern autos.
 
 

LOL, way too prove why autos are crap, it takes ZERO skill, click a button and lets go rice. Any moron can get in an auto and drive it, literally anyone, a kid could do it without any trouble. If the government outlawed autos 99.99% of the idiotic drivers on the road would be gone.

you are really proving you have no idea what your talking about so I'm just going to let you think your right and leave it at that.

I was going to say the same thing about you. You think because F1 has an auto that means its better for a family sedan. That's what we're talking about, no one here is driving an F1 car too work. Autos are complete crap, go look at Kram's Beetle its 0-60 time is the same as a S2000 of the same year, why? Because of that amazing hunk of junk transmission. When your Beetle's being overtaken by a rice in his S2000 because of your inability to drive a stick, there's a problem.

Again proving you now nothing about cars.
 
2003 Honda S2000   0-60 mph 6.2   Quarter mile 14.7 http://www.zeroto60times....ch-0-60-mph-Times.html
 
2003 Porsche Boxster S   0-60 mph 5.0   Quarter mile 13.6 http://www.zeroto60times....he-0-60-mph-Times.html

LOLOLOLOLOL that's for the manual, not that crap tiptronic garbage, that has a 0-60 of 6.1, how much more is a Boxter and it gets .1 second faster? LOL, manuals sure make up a lot don't they?

Depending on the driver of the manual, it's a make or break situation. Just because someone drives a manual does not put them in GOD mode. I see so many manual drivers do nothing but burn up the tires on a launch. My car is still faster then what you stated and against a S2000 manual no doubt lol. If you think my Box is stock, you're barking up the wrong tree.

kram36

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 You can also, more easily, use the engine to brake you car which cuts down on wear on the pads and rotor.

 
This is more misinformation. It is easier to downshift(unless you have a manual with rev matching then it is the same) in a tiptronic/dual clutch since you don't have to heal/toe shift. It is a simple couple bumps of the stick or paddle to drop into a lower gear.
 
We are NOT talking about your grandmothers '84 buick. We are talking about modern autos.
 
 

LOL, way too prove why autos are crap, it takes ZERO skill, click a button and lets go rice. Any moron can get in an auto and drive it, literally anyone, a kid could do it without any trouble. If the government outlawed autos 99.99% of the idiotic drivers on the road would be gone.

you are really proving you have no idea what your talking about so I'm just going to let you think your right and leave it at that.

I was going to say the same thing about you. You think because F1 has an auto that means its better for a family sedan. That's what we're talking about, no one here is driving an F1 car too work. Autos are complete crap, go look at Kram's Beetle its 0-60 time is the same as a S2000 of the same year, why? Because of that amazing hunk of junk transmission. When your Beetle's being overtaken by a rice in his S2000 because of your inability to drive a stick, there's a problem.

Again proving you now nothing about cars.
 
2003 Honda S2000   0-60 mph 6.2   Quarter mile 14.7 http://www.zeroto60times....ch-0-60-mph-Times.html
 
2003 Porsche Boxster S   0-60 mph 5.0   Quarter mile 13.6 http://www.zeroto60times....he-0-60-mph-Times.html

LOLOLOLOLOL that's for the manual, not that crap tiptronic garbage, that has a 0-60 of 6.1, how much more is a Boxter and it gets .1 second faster? LOL, manuals sure make up a lot don't they?

Depending on the driver of the manual, it's a make or break situation. Just because someone drives a manual does not put them in GOD mode. I see so many manual drivers do nothing but burn up the tires on a launch. My car is still faster then what you stated and against a S2000 manual no doubt lol. If you think my Box is stock, you're barking up the wrong tree.

So you had to spend even more money so you could beat a S2000? You can spend as much as you want a S2000 drivers are gonna be faster if he spends the same as you have all in.

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kram36

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 You can also, more easily, use the engine to brake you car which cuts down on wear on the pads and rotor.

 
This is more misinformation. It is easier to downshift(unless you have a manual with rev matching then it is the same) in a tiptronic/dual clutch since you don't have to heal/toe shift. It is a simple couple bumps of the stick or paddle to drop into a lower gear.
 
We are NOT talking about your grandmothers '84 buick. We are talking about modern autos.
 
 

LOL, way too prove why autos are crap, it takes ZERO skill, click a button and lets go rice. Any moron can get in an auto and drive it, literally anyone, a kid could do it without any trouble. If the government outlawed autos 99.99% of the idiotic drivers on the road would be gone.

you are really proving you have no idea what your talking about so I'm just going to let you think your right and leave it at that.

I was going to say the same thing about you. You think because F1 has an auto that means its better for a family sedan. That's what we're talking about, no one here is driving an F1 car too work. Autos are complete crap, go look at Kram's Beetle its 0-60 time is the same as a S2000 of the same year, why? Because of that amazing hunk of junk transmission. When your Beetle's being overtaken by a rice in his S2000 because of your inability to drive a stick, there's a problem.

Again proving you now nothing about cars.
 
2003 Honda S2000   0-60 mph 6.2   Quarter mile 14.7 http://www.zeroto60times....ch-0-60-mph-Times.html
 
2003 Porsche Boxster S   0-60 mph 5.0   Quarter mile 13.6 http://www.zeroto60times....he-0-60-mph-Times.html

LOLOLOLOLOL that's for the manual, not that crap tiptronic garbage, that has a 0-60 of 6.1, how much more is a Boxter and it gets .1 second faster? LOL, manuals sure make up a lot don't they?

Depending on the driver of the manual, it's a make or break situation. Just because someone drives a manual does not put them in GOD mode. I see so many manual drivers do nothing but burn up the tires on a launch. My car is still faster then what you stated and against a S2000 manual no doubt lol. If you think my Box is stock, you're barking up the wrong tree.

So you had to spend even more money so you could beat a S2000? You can spend as much as you want a S2000 drivers are gonna be faster if he spends the same as you have all in.

No, read the the performance specs. My Box stock with an auto beats the S2000 with a manual.

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 You can also, more easily, use the engine to brake you car which cuts down on wear on the pads and rotor.

 
This is more misinformation. It is easier to downshift(unless you have a manual with rev matching then it is the same) in a tiptronic/dual clutch since you don't have to heal/toe shift. It is a simple couple bumps of the stick or paddle to drop into a lower gear.
 
We are NOT talking about your grandmothers '84 buick. We are talking about modern autos.
 
 

LOL, way too prove why autos are crap, it takes ZERO skill, click a button and lets go rice. Any moron can get in an auto and drive it, literally anyone, a kid could do it without any trouble. If the government outlawed autos 99.99% of the idiotic drivers on the road would be gone.

you are really proving you have no idea what your talking about so I'm just going to let you think your right and leave it at that.

I was going to say the same thing about you. You think because F1 has an auto that means its better for a family sedan. That's what we're talking about, no one here is driving an F1 car too work. Autos are complete crap, go look at Kram's Beetle its 0-60 time is the same as a S2000 of the same year, why? Because of that amazing hunk of junk transmission. When your Beetle's being overtaken by a rice in his S2000 because of your inability to drive a stick, there's a problem.

Again proving you now nothing about cars.
 
2003 Honda S2000   0-60 mph 6.2   Quarter mile 14.7 http://www.zeroto60times....ch-0-60-mph-Times.html
 
2003 Porsche Boxster S   0-60 mph 5.0   Quarter mile 13.6 http://www.zeroto60times....he-0-60-mph-Times.html

LOLOLOLOLOL that's for the manual, not that crap tiptronic garbage, that has a 0-60 of 6.1, how much more is a Boxter and it gets .1 second faster? LOL, manuals sure make up a lot don't they?

Depending on the driver of the manual, it's a make or break situation. Just because someone drives a manual does not put them in GOD mode. I see so many manual drivers do nothing but burn up the tires on a launch. My car is still faster then what you stated and against a S2000 manual no doubt lol. If you think my Box is stock, you're barking up the wrong tree.

So you had to spend even more money so you could beat a S2000? You can spend as much as you want a S2000 drivers are gonna be faster if he spends the same as you have all in.

No, read the the performance specs. My Box stock with an auto beats the S2000 with a manual.

No, your Bug (stock) beats a S2000 (stock) but the S2000 driver can spend the difference between a Beetle and his car to make his faster which would easily allow him to beat you.

"Flappy Paddle" gearboxes (Semi-automatic transmissions) aren't related to automatics in anyway. They're manual transmissions with computer controlled clutches\gears. For anyone saying that it doesn't take any skill to shift with in a semi-auto are completely missing the purpose of these types of transmissions. A modern semi-auto can execute shifts so quickly (some can do a change in less than 10ms if the second clutch has the correct gear ready) that there isn't any appreciable loss in power\acceleration. As a bonus they also allow you to use left foot braking without having to worry about also using that foot to operate the clutch. 
 
And IMHO, shifting a car with a true manual transmission isn't exactly difficult either, all you're doing is pushing the clutch in, moving the gear stick and letting go of the clutch pedal. The only time you would need to use heel and toe to downshift is if you were on a track and wanted to downshift in braking zones. Down shifting without touching the throttle is fine when you're driving on the street unless you're a moron and want to downshift like you're racing and choose to shift into a gear that puts you at several thousand RPMs.

Autos can be faster. So it's not a fact. While a clutch is slipping off the line and converting horsepower into wasted heat energy, an auto's torque converter is converting the higher end horsepower into lower end torque. That's where autos shine and that is why drag racers with turbos, superchargers, nitrous, and other power adders are faster with an auto than with a manual -- because their power adders are making much more horsepower at higher RPMs and converting it into a ton of lower RPM torque out to the transmission using the torque converter instead of using a manual transmission where their only option is to either barely breath at lower RPM or slip the clutch to stay at the higher RPM and just convert the slippage into wasted heat energy. We are talking about 150% to 300% torque multiplication while getting the engine up into its power band instead of just burning up a clutch disk. You seem to be under the impression that torque converters serve no purpose and are all slushy machines. Not all autos are the same just like not all manuals are the same. You can't just assume that all autos sap horsepower.

I just think all the bickering is funny. To each their own.

We've had some complaints about this thread so I'll ask that everyone post professionally and don't directly or indirectly insult another forum member. It would be a shame to have to lock this thread. 

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"Flappy Paddle" gearboxes (Semi-automatic transmissions) aren't related to automatics in anyway. They're manual transmissions with computer controlled clutches\gears. For anyone saying that it doesn't take any skill to shift with in a semi-auto are completely missing the purpose of these types of transmissions. A modern semi-auto can execute shifts so quickly (some can do a change in less than 10ms if the second clutch has the correct gear ready) that there isn't any appreciable loss in power\acceleration. As a bonus they also allow you to use left foot braking without having to worry about also using that foot to operate the clutch. 
 
And IMHO, shifting a car with a true manual transmission isn't exactly difficult either, all you're doing is pushing the clutch in, moving the gear stick and letting go of the clutch pedal. The only time you would need to use heel and toe to downshift is if you were on a track and wanted to downshift in braking zones. Down shifting without touching the throttle is fine when you're driving on the street unless you're a moron and want to downshift like you're racing and choose to shift into a gear that puts you at several thousand RPMs.

They are still considered an automatic trans. Even the manufactures of these trans call them automatics because that's what they are and do, they automatically change the gears. Doesn't matter what the internals are made like, they are automatic transmissions.
 
http://www.porsche.com/usa/models/cayman/cayman/drive/porsche-doppelkupplung-pdk/
 
"Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK)
 
Of course, you could let us take care of the gearshift strategy so that you can devote all your attention to your cornering strategy, with the optional 7-speed Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK) featuring both manual and automatic modes. PDK offers extremely fast gear changes with no interruption in the flow of power, improved acceleration over the manual transmission, very short response times, reduced fuel consumption and a distinct increase in comfort."
 
http://media.chevrolet.com/media/us/en/chevrolet/news.detail.html/content/Pages/news/us/en/2014/Aug/0820-8speed/0820-corvette-8-speed-lead.html
 
"DETROIT – The all-new, GM-developed Hydra-Matic 8L90 paddle-shift eight-speed automatic transmission offered in the 2015 Corvette Stingray and Z06 enhances performance and efficiency, while delivering exceptional refinement and world-class shift responsiveness that rivals the world’s best dual-clutch transmissions."

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I love how butt hurt people get when proved wrong, they start making up things and not providing proof. I've shown proof that autos today in sedans and performance cars like the Mustang are slower then manuals yet people simply can't accept it. Now people start insulting me because they're so mad I'm right. In an unrelated note, furries are disgusting freaks I'm not insulting anyone, I was using real world examples and using previous experiences to draw a conclusions based on why I think they're disgusting.

People are not butt hurt about you proving anyone wrong, it's the fact of your refusal to face the truth and you keep coming back to the thread and causing nothing but trouble. The fact that the new iteration of auto trans, are faster shifting, get better gas mileage and are lighter then a manual trans. As been stated, these auto trans are coming to normal cars, not just exotic cars, e.g. the Dodge Challenger, Charger and Corvette. They will be in the Mustang, Camaro and such one day soon, probably in 2016 models as they have better performance and gas mileage. Rowing gears will be a thing of the past on new cars. You can not discount the advantages of these new auto trans and the car manufactures are going to take the advantage of them too.

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Manuals rule! Autos drool. End.

No autos rule! Why because it allows me to be lazy. I mean who does not like being lazy. Well I take that back I hate being lazy by sitting down all day. But autos win because you get to free your right hand so you can do stuff while your driving like pick your nose, smoke a cig, drink a beer, put a pinch of dip in, eat a burger or bag of chips, stick your hand down your pants, give the one finger salute to some one if your pissed off, hold your GFs hand while driving to show your affection, change the radio station, comb your hair, put on make up, and flex your guns. I dont do any of those thing but pick my nose , change the radio station(well on my steering controls)and flex my guns while checking myself out in the mirror. Also lets not forget if you want to do a drive by shooting you have to free one of your hands to operate your gun so no time in worrying about shifting gears.

Why is everyone so fixated on which is better?! It is so case sensitive for the love of all that is holy.  An auto is not "better" than a manual in every instance. A manual is not "better" than an auto in every instance.  
 
I think it would be more thought provoking ti discuss instances were an auto would be better and were a manual would be better.
 
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