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2018/01/05 19:48:56 (permalink)
ATTENTION EVGA MANAGEMENT
 
EVGA X58 E760 here running I7 920
 
I want to know EXACTLY how and when EVGA is going to address the current security issues (Spectre/Meltdown) in terms of a BIOS update for my motherboard
 
*Urgently needed--->BIOS patch (Intel X58/Intel ICH10r) for Spectre (CVE-2017-5753 and CVE-2017-5715) and Meltdown (CVE-2017-5754)
*Microsoft patches for Win7 and Win10---> already available and installed
 
As documented, without a BIOS update my motherboard will be vulnerable to the -extreme- security issues from this defect rendering my MB unable to connect to the internet.
Which for my purposes is its intended daily use across a broad range of activities and for which I have recently purchased a $800 EVGA videocard. 
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Reply posted by EVGA https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/2749683 
 
This is our current schedule for BIOS updates related to these vulnerabilities:
 
By end of this week*:  Z170, Z270, Z370, X99, X299, Laptops.
 
Within 1-2 weeks*:  X79, W888, Z87, Z97.
 
*Please note that this date is projected, contingent on receiving source code from Intel, and final testing may push the dates back temporarily.
 
At this point, we do not have source code from Intel to update X58, P67, or Z77 motherboards.  When/if that becomes available, I'll provide an update.
 
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    Re: Attention EVGA please update users of older motherboards for your BIOS security patche 2018/01/05 19:52:02 (permalink)
    Well First is Intel Going to Even Support that old of a Chipset for EVGA to update the Bios?
    Just saying as it is more than 8 Years Old Now.
    I think EVGA is going to have a hard time with this Bios being the last Bios for the X58 was back in 2011.
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    Re: Attention EVGA please update users of older motherboards for your BIOS security patche 2018/01/05 19:56:15 (permalink)
    Yeah....   well that is not my problem, that is EVGA's
     
    Failure to provide me with a BIOS update would leave my computer non-functional in a threat environment. 
     
     
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    Re: Attention EVGA please update users of older motherboards for your BIOS security patche 2018/01/05 19:59:04 (permalink)
    I would think it is also Intel's do you not think they have a part in this?
    My Dell Servers are pending Code from Intel so Dell can send us updated Bios and a Firmware.
    A nice Read as well https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/2747993 from jasonkresge                                     

     
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    Re: Attention EVGA please update users of older motherboards for your BIOS security patche 2018/01/05 20:05:39 (permalink)
    of course, but read what Intel is posting..... they say its up to EVGA and Intel is going to "help"
      




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    Re: Attention EVGA please update users of older motherboards for your BIOS security patche 2018/01/05 20:06:27 (permalink)
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    of course, but read what Intel is posting..... they say its up to EVGA and Intel is going to "help"

    Do you have a link to this?
    You have one MB you are asking about I have 6 Different EVGA MB that I would need a new Bios as well.
    We only need to give then the time needed and for me I would think a few weeks is about the right amount of time for EVGA.
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    Re: Attention EVGA please update users of older motherboards for your BIOS security patche 2018/01/05 20:08:06 (permalink)
    So am I going to get a BIOS update or not?
     
    Its a very fair question and one to which I deserve a direct answer from EVGA management in a timely fashion, the clock is running
    60 days would be the max, after that without a patch I could not use this system as the threats would be active  
     
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    Re: Attention EVGA please update users of older motherboards for your BIOS security patche 2018/01/05 20:13:02 (permalink)
    You may want to contact directly then as this is still a Public Forum and not really a Support Forum

    Contact Us

     We all do this fix so I understand what you are asking here.

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    Re: Attention EVGA please update users of older motherboards for your BIOS security patche 2018/01/05 20:15:18 (permalink)
    There are alot of these systems out there, people deserve to know what is going to happen to them.
     
    That's what this post is for.... Yes or No from EVGA




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    Re: Attention EVGA please update users of older motherboards for your BIOS security patche 2018/01/05 20:25:15 (permalink)
    Of the 16 Computers and Servers from Dell that I own or take care on only 6 of them well see a Bios Fix.
    So far only 2 have a new Bios today and they are for Servers that I bought in the last 2 Years.
    So a lot of us are not going to see any fixes at all.

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    Re: Attention EVGA please update users of older motherboards for your BIOS security patche 2018/01/05 20:29:22 (permalink)
    That would be understandable
     
    It would also be understandable that I consider my lifetime warranty covers loss of use due to just such a issue....
    Defects in materials and workmanship that can be fixed with a simple BIOS patch would certainly fall into that category   
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    Re: Attention EVGA please update users of older motherboards for your BIOS security patche 2018/01/06 00:10:39 (permalink)
    You are Very Lucky as Most of us do not have "lifetime warranty" on our Products.
    Though I do not think this would be covered by warranty anyway.

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    Re: Attention EVGA please update users of older motherboards for your BIOS security patche 2018/01/06 06:44:44 (permalink)
    This issue is, as described by intel as "a defect" requiring both a software patch (BIOS) for my chipset and another for my OS.
    Defects in materials and workmanship are covered, this flaw would appear to be both of those  
     
    I have received and installed my OS patch from Microsoft, should EVGA provide me with a BIOS patch my system is in perfect -secure- working condition
     
    Should EVGA fail to provide me with a BIOS patch, then in a few short weeks I will be unable to safely connect my system to the internet.
    This would render my system 100% useless for its intended purpose, and which I recently purchased a $800 EVGA videocard to use with... 
     
    If EVGA wanted to limit its support for older products to a certain number of years, it should have limited its warranty as such and certainly not charged me such a premium for a "lifetime" warranty.
    This was a $400 MB back in 2009    
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    Re: Attention EVGA please update users of older motherboards for your BIOS security patche 2018/01/06 06:51:58 (permalink)
    I have no info on this and I have forwarded this to EVGA

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    Re: Attention EVGA please update users of older motherboards for your BIOS security patche 2018/01/06 10:55:06 (permalink)
    Thanks, keep us posted please
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    Re: Attention EVGA please update users of older motherboards for your BIOS security patche 2018/01/06 15:03:48 (permalink)
    I contacted EVGA yesterday, and the tech that I spoke with did not have any information at all regarding this issue.
     
    Intel has indeed released microcode updates for most of their CPUs released in the last 10 years, however it is up to the motherboard vendors to implement it AFAIK.
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    Re: Attention EVGA please update users of older motherboards for your BIOS security patche 2018/01/06 21:28:51 (permalink)
    Speaking from knowledge I've been able to gather about the issue, the fixes are mostly being worked on with Operating System developers and the OS will be patched to mitigate this issue. From what I've read about the issue your machine must already be compromised for anyone to take advantage of the issue. The patches being issued for the OS are unlikely to affect anyone who is not running in a server environment and will mostly impact those that are using virtual machines. 
     
    Gaming and mining should not be affected by the patches at all and as I said your machines would need to be compromised in some other way.
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    Re: Attention EVGA please update users of older motherboards for your BIOS security patche 2018/01/06 21:31:58 (permalink)
    We have not announced anything at this time, updates will be posted on the forums when information is available. Thank you for your patience. 

    Everything is security. 
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    Re: Attention EVGA please update users of older motherboards for your BIOS security patche 2018/01/06 21:59:32 (permalink)
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    Speaking from knowledge I've been able to gather about the issue, the fixes are mostly being worked on with Operating System developers and the OS will be patched to mitigate this issue. From what I've read about the issue your machine must already be compromised for anyone to take advantage of the issue. The patches being issued for the OS are unlikely to affect anyone who is not running in a server environment and will mostly impact those that are using virtual machines. 
     
    Gaming and mining should not be affected by the patches at all and as I said your machines would need to be compromised in some other way.




    No offence, but you are either confused or have no idea what threats we are talking about.
     
    I have the OS patch installed, but it WILL NOT protect my system without the underlying BIOS updates. Read up
     
    As for being already "compromised", the threats we are talking about could occur on a completely clean and patched new OS install (without a BIOS update) from simply opening a web page, or from a hosted advertisement on a secure site and in fact from just about anything off the web that "runs" on a users hardware... its that serious.
    Read up
     
    As for being related only to "servers" or VM, you are again completely wrong. Read up 
     
    In fact "gamers" and "miners" who do not have the microcode (BIOS) patched will be fat targets, as getting a gamers login and password data or a miners complete wallet details is way too tempting for amateurs
    All I would have to do is create a honey pot or even have a custom advertisement hosted, and any unpatched/Bios system that visited, I could get that info without you even knowing...
    Getting the idea how serious this problem is now?   
     
    post edited by maniacvvv - 2018/01/06 22:18:19




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    Re: Attention EVGA please update users of older motherboards for your BIOS security patche 2018/01/06 22:07:52 (permalink)
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    We have not announced anything at this time, updates will be posted on the forums when information is available. Thank you for your patience. 




    Thank you for your attention to this matter, there are alot of us waiting to hear what EVGA's plans are
     
    Since this is now public, the clock is running..... and will soon run out
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    Re: Attention EVGA please update users of older motherboards for your BIOS security patche 2018/01/06 22:25:52 (permalink)
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    JalenJade
    Speaking from knowledge I've been able to gather about the issue, the fixes are mostly being worked on with Operating System developers and the OS will be patched to mitigate this issue. From what I've read about the issue your machine must already be compromised for anyone to take advantage of the issue. The patches being issued for the OS are unlikely to affect anyone who is not running in a server environment and will mostly impact those that are using virtual machines. 
     
    Gaming and mining should not be affected by the patches at all and as I said your machines would need to be compromised in some other way.




    No offence, but you are either confused or have no idea what threats we are talking about.
     
    I have the OS patch installed, but it WILL NOT protect my system without the underlying BIOS updates. Read up
     
    As for being already "compromised", the threats we are talking about could occur on a completely clean and patched new OS install (without a BIOS update) from simply opening a web page, or from a hosted advertisement on a secure site and in fact from just about anything off the web that "runs" on a users hardware... its that serious.
    Read up
     
    As for being related only to "servers" or VM, you are again completely wrong. Read up 
     
    In fact "gamers" and "miners" who do not have the microcode (BIOS) patched will be fat targets, as getting a gamers login and password data or a miners complete wallet details is way too tempting for amateurs
    All I would have to do is create a honey pot or even have a custom advertisement hosted, and any unpatched/Bios system that visited, I could get that info without you even knowing...
    Getting the idea how serious this problem is now?   
     


    Point me to some current articles that contradict what I said.
    The average user shouldn't see significant performance changes from applying Meltdown and Spectre patches, except perhaps with processor-intensive tasks like video editing. It even seems like gaming won't be significantly affected...
     
     
    Though possible, exploiting Meltdown and especially Spectre is complicated and challenging in practice, and some attacks require physical access. For hackers, the vulnerabilities will only get tougher to exploit as more devices start to get patched. Which means that at this point, the risk to the average user is fairly low. Besides, there are easier ways—like phishing—for an attacker to try to steal your passwords or compromise your sensitive personal information.
    Pretty much from every article in the tech sector out there.
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    Re: Attention EVGA please update users of older motherboards for your BIOS security patche 2018/01/06 22:35:28 (permalink)
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    JalenJade
    Speaking from knowledge I've been able to gather about the issue, the fixes are mostly being worked on with Operating System developers and the OS will be patched to mitigate this issue. From what I've read about the issue your machine must already be compromised for anyone to take advantage of the issue. The patches being issued for the OS are unlikely to affect anyone who is not running in a server environment and will mostly impact those that are using virtual machines. 
     
    Gaming and mining should not be affected by the patches at all and as I said your machines would need to be compromised in some other way.




    No offence, but you are either confused or have no idea what threats we are talking about.
     
    I have the OS patch installed, but it WILL NOT protect my system without the underlying BIOS updates. Read up
     
    As for being already "compromised", the threats we are talking about could occur on a completely clean and patched new OS install (without a BIOS update) from simply opening a web page, or from a hosted advertisement on a secure site and in fact from just about anything off the web that "runs" on a users hardware... its that serious.
    Read up
     
    As for being related only to "servers" or VM, you are again completely wrong. Read up 
     
    In fact "gamers" and "miners" who do not have the microcode (BIOS) patched will be fat targets, as getting a gamers login and password data or a miners complete wallet details is way too tempting for amateurs
    All I would have to do is create a honey pot or even have a custom advertisement hosted, and any unpatched/Bios system that visited, I could get that info without you even knowing...
    Getting the idea how serious this problem is now?   
     


    Point me to some current articles that contradict what I said.
    The average user shouldn't see significant performance changes from applying Meltdown and Spectre patches, except perhaps with processor-intensive tasks like video editing. It even seems like gaming won't be significantly affected...
     
     
    Though possible, exploiting Meltdown and especially Spectre is complicated and challenging in practice, and some attacks require physical access. For hackers, the vulnerabilities will only get tougher to exploit as more devices start to get patched. Which means that at this point, the risk to the average user is fairly low. Besides, there are easier ways—like phishing—for an attacker to try to steal your passwords or compromise your sensitive personal information.
    Pretty much from every article in the tech sector out there.




    I can read, the question is can you understand the issues being discussed. Apparently not.
    Thats ok, not everyone who uses computers can understand how they really work. 
     




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    Re: Attention EVGA please update users of older motherboards for your BIOS security patche 2018/01/06 23:37:48 (permalink)
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    Speaking from knowledge I've been able to gather about the issue, the fixes are mostly being worked on with Operating System developers and the OS will be patched to mitigate this issue. From what I've read about the issue your machine must already be compromised for anyone to take advantage of the issue. The patches being issued for the OS are unlikely to affect anyone who is not running in a server environment and will mostly impact those that are using virtual machines. 
     
    Gaming and mining should not be affected by the patches at all and as I said your machines would need to be compromised in some other way.




    No offence, but you are either confused or have no idea what threats we are talking about.
     
    I have the OS patch installed, but it WILL NOT protect my system without the underlying BIOS updates. Read up
     
    As for being already "compromised", the threats we are talking about could occur on a completely clean and patched new OS install (without a BIOS update) from simply opening a web page, or from a hosted advertisement on a secure site and in fact from just about anything off the web that "runs" on a users hardware... its that serious.
    Read up
     
    As for being related only to "servers" or VM, you are again completely wrong. Read up 
     
    In fact "gamers" and "miners" who do not have the microcode (BIOS) patched will be fat targets, as getting a gamers login and password data or a miners complete wallet details is way too tempting for amateurs
    All I would have to do is create a honey pot or even have a custom advertisement hosted, and any unpatched/Bios system that visited, I could get that info without you even knowing...
    Getting the idea how serious this problem is now?   
     




    If it is that easy, I will give you 50$ to name every folder on my c drive.
    This is blown way out of proportion, just like Y2K, the computers did not crash.
    Not one person has been hacked with this issue
    It is a slow leak and would take a very long time to get any info at all.
    Way over blown.

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    Re: Attention EVGA please update users of older motherboards for your BIOS security patche 2018/01/07 06:17:51 (permalink)
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    JalenJade
    Speaking from knowledge I've been able to gather about the issue, the fixes are mostly being worked on with Operating System developers and the OS will be patched to mitigate this issue. From what I've read about the issue your machine must already be compromised for anyone to take advantage of the issue. The patches being issued for the OS are unlikely to affect anyone who is not running in a server environment and will mostly impact those that are using virtual machines. 
     
    Gaming and mining should not be affected by the patches at all and as I said your machines would need to be compromised in some other way.




    No offence, but you are either confused or have no idea what threats we are talking about.
     
    I have the OS patch installed, but it WILL NOT protect my system without the underlying BIOS updates. Read up
     
    As for being already "compromised", the threats we are talking about could occur on a completely clean and patched new OS install (without a BIOS update) from simply opening a web page, or from a hosted advertisement on a secure site and in fact from just about anything off the web that "runs" on a users hardware... its that serious.
    Read up
     
    As for being related only to "servers" or VM, you are again completely wrong. Read up 
     
    In fact "gamers" and "miners" who do not have the microcode (BIOS) patched will be fat targets, as getting a gamers login and password data or a miners complete wallet details is way too tempting for amateurs
    All I would have to do is create a honey pot or even have a custom advertisement hosted, and any unpatched/Bios system that visited, I could get that info without you even knowing...
    Getting the idea how serious this problem is now?   
     




    If it is that easy, I will give you 50$ to name every folder on my c drive.
    This is blown way out of proportion, just like Y2K, the computers did not crash.
    Not one person has been hacked with this issue
    It is a slow leak and would take a very long time to get any info at all.
    Way over blown.




    This thread is about getting a very important BIOS patch for my x58 system
     
    You and the other guy posting gibberish can decide that you don't need to any install BIOS security patches and OS security updates and be happy about it.
     
    Thats not how I run my system and not how I treat my data and credentials
     
    Just because you don't understand a technical security issue, does not mean its not real.
    You and the other poster appear to confuse the current hardware security issues with malicious software attacks of the past. That's not what we are talking about, this is a HARDWARE flaw in the CPU that allows software to completely bypass OS security provisions at the hardware level. Without a proper BIOS patch the system cannot be secured.
     
    If you dont own a system (like mine) that is in danger of being unsupported with a BIOS update, or you just dont think this is a issue to be concerned about...
    Please refrain from posting in this thread
     
       
    post edited by maniacvvv - 2018/01/07 08:07:33




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    Re: Attention EVGA please update users of older motherboards for your BIOS security patche 2018/01/07 07:30:33 (permalink)
    Maybe Time To Merge the Threads. Or Maybe Create It's Own Sub Forum Area.
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    Re: Attention EVGA please update users of older motherboards for your BIOS security patche 2018/01/07 18:33:29 (permalink)
    If security is that important to you, then I suggest you contact Intel directly and have them personally tell you if and when they are releasing microcode for your i7 920. If they do not release a microcode update for your Nehalem chip then it doesn't matter if EVGA releases a BIOS update or not, it requires Intel's microcode update to function.


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    Re: Attention EVGA please update users of older motherboards for your BIOS security patche 2018/01/07 19:03:27 (permalink)
    kougar
    If security is that important to you, then I suggest you contact Intel directly and have them personally tell you if and when they are releasing microcode for your i7 920. If they do not release a microcode update for your Nehalem chip then it doesn't matter if EVGA releases a BIOS update or not, it requires Intel's microcode update to function.




    Another "user" who does not understand what this post is about or anything about the computer hardware/software manufacturing chain 
     
    My CPU is on Intel's affected list and the base microcode update is already available.
    ---->but of course EVGA's modification of the original Intel microcode for its custom board will require a custom BIOS update and that will only come from EVGA.
     
    That you do not understand such a basic fact about motherboards and BIOS development speaks for itself
     
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    *There were many reasons I stopped posting on the EVGA forums, complete stupidity and topic disrespect were very high on the list 
     
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     "If you dont own a system (like mine) that is in danger of being unsupported with a BIOS update, or you just dont think this is a issue to be concerned about...
    Please refrain from posting in this thread"
     
    Perhaps I need to add "or have something intelligent, relevant or helpful to post about the subject" 
    post edited by maniacvvv - 2018/01/07 19:20:22




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    Re: Attention EVGA please update users of older motherboards for your BIOS security patche 2018/01/08 12:22:24 (permalink)
    i own many systems including a x58 e760 and guess what, im not freaking out over a 10yr old system not getting a bios update, yes it has a lifetime warranty but that is for the board against defects, not the cpu having a underlying problem. i personally feel this whole thing is overblown, just as some of the ones in the past were, the chances of the average joe blow user being effected or targeted are pretty small. the one upside to the hype is every AV vendor will be scrambling to push updates to block this as well as software so the chances just will get smaller.

                                   
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    Re: Attention EVGA please update users of older motherboards for your BIOS security patche 2018/01/08 12:29:01 (permalink)
    ASUS Said No Bios Update for the X79, Z87, Z77, Z68, and X58.

    Associate Code: 9E88QK5L7811G3H


     
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    Re: Attention EVGA please update users of older motherboards for your BIOS security patche 2018/01/08 15:15:13 (permalink)
    This Works for All OS
    Testing this Now https://gallery.technet.microsoft.com/scriptcenter/Speculation-Control-e36f0050/view/Discussions#content
     
    A EXE Run File *It Works
    Org Zip And a zipped version of the same script (usually easier to download)
    https://1drv.ms/u/s!AvUMCaElfVkvmnIkcJbDb8_kbBnO
     
    Updated EXE
    And a zipped version of the same script (usually easier to download)
    https://1drv.ms/u/s!AvUMCaElfVkvmnIkcJbDb8_kbBnO

     
    Code for my EVGA X99 *All we need now is the Bios for at lest the X99 Classified MB
     
    D:\SpeculationControlEXE>SpeculationControl
    [Compiled using PS2EXE on 06/01/2018 from version 1.3 of script, and including fix for multiple CPUs]
    [See: https://gallery.technet.microsoft.com/scriptcenter/Speculation-Control-e36f0050/]
    Speculation control settings for CVE-2017-5715 [branch target injection]
    Hardware support for branch target injection mitigation is present: False
    Windows OS support for branch target injection mitigation is present: True
    Windows OS support for branch target injection mitigation is enabled: False
    Windows OS support for branch target injection mitigation is disabled by system policy: False
    Windows OS support for branch target injection mitigation is disabled by absence of hardware support: True
    Speculation control settings for CVE-2017-5754 [rogue data cache load]
    Hardware requires kernel VA shadowing: True
    Windows OS support for kernel VA shadow is present: True
    Windows OS support for kernel VA shadow is enabled: True
    Windows OS support for PCID performance optimization is enabled: True [not required for security]
    Suggested actions
     * Install BIOS/firmware update provided by your device OEM that enables hardware support for the branch target injection mitigation.
    BTIHardwarePresent : False
    BTIWindowsSupportPresent : True
    BTIWindowsSupportEnabled : False
    BTIDisabledBySystemPolicy : False
    BTIDisabledByNoHardwareSupport : True
    KVAShadowRequired : True
    KVAShadowWindowsSupportPresent : True
    KVAShadowWindowsSupportEnabled : True
    KVAShadowPcidEnabled : True
    [Script completed. Close window when ready...]


    Associate Code: 9E88QK5L7811G3H


     
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