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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
2019/05/07 13:24:10
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Oh I just caught the last bit of your post about the xoc bios. Thanks for that, do you have a link or anything so I can delve deeper?
Thanks for the info !
Edit. Also saw your most recent post. Appreciate the tid bit
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
2019/05/07 13:26:02
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What are you able to achieve on stock air out of curiosity.
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
2019/05/07 13:26:05
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Oh I just caught the last bit of your post about the xoc bios. Thanks for that, do you have a link or anything so I can delve deeper?
Thanks for the info !
Only this https://xdevs.com/guide/2080ti_kpe/ and what is Posted here EVGA OC Lab oscyjack
What are you able to achieve on stock air out of curiosity.
I am on the Stock Cooler ATM.
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
2019/05/07 13:28:25
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What are you able to achieve on stock air out of curiosity.
Kingpin doesn't come with an air cooler lad.
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
2019/05/07 13:31:28
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What are you able to achieve on stock air out of curiosity.
Kingpin doesn't come with an air cooler lad.
Some Call the Hybrid Air as it still uses Air  Like I do not call a Hybrid Cool Water Cooled, for me Water Cooled is a Custom Water Loop. Not an AIO Cooler.
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
2019/05/07 13:33:47
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What are you able to achieve on stock air out of curiosity.
Kingpin doesn't come with an air cooler lad.
Some Call the Hybrid Air as it still uses Air
VRMs dont need active cooling under ambient conditions and the memory/die is mounted with an Asatek Gen 6 pump with water inside a radiator which I suppose gets cooled by air from the fans in theory meaning by that logic that all water cooling is also air cooling? But I digress.
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
2019/05/07 13:44:54
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I meant air in regards to ambient cooling. Obviously as I have this in my case with a 240 aio, I'm aware it has a one. Lolol :P
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
2019/05/07 13:46:11
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I wish I understood electricity enough to get as much out if the xdevs page as is surely there. Gotta get my gibberish translator running ;)
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
2019/05/07 13:46:45
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What are you able to achieve on stock air out of curiosity.
Kingpin doesn't come with an air cooler lad.
Some Call the Hybrid Air as it still uses Air
Like I do not call a Hybrid Cool Water Cooled, for me Water Cooled is a Custom Water Loop. Not an AIO Cooler.
VRMs dont need active cooling under ambient conditions and the memory/die is mounted with an Asatek Gen 6 pump with water inside a radiator which I suppose gets cooled by air from the fans in theory meaning by that logic that all water cooling is also air cooling?
But I digress.
OK then we can remove the Blower Fan from the Graphics Card then. We agree to disagree then. I had to look this one up I digress is a phrase used when someone realizes they've been rambling ... for a long time ... about something that isn't even relevant to the original question or topic. It can also call attention to a smart observation. Related words: anyways. just saying.
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
2019/05/07 13:49:42
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It was my assumption, potentially flawed. That not running on the ln2 switch / using the xoc bios was silly as we finally have nanny controls removed. Without know how, obviously a difficulty. But surely I have 41-50 (9deg spread) for a little more oomph? Hehe.
This isn't a complaint from me just general curiosity. I want to make sure I'm excersizing my dollars worth.
I'm also 30, a tad older than a lad to most
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
2019/05/07 13:50:25
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Lulz. If temps are good it’s more about how much power can be pushed through the die than the clock rate at ambient. Or at the clc design spec which appears to handle 350 to400watts @ around 12 to 15c over ambient. On the average probably Need to get down to -30c to see stable clocks 2250+
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
2019/05/07 13:53:20
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Ok perfect so I'm sitting pretty then.
Anyway to remove the voltage limit I'm hitting? I know probably a dumb question. :X
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
2019/05/07 13:53:33
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According to TIN and the documentation the only difference you would see between stock, oc, ln2 bios is going to be thermal and related to fan speeds at different switch positions. Xoc bios is another matter as it doesn’t not know what a power limit is
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
2019/05/07 13:54:48
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Yeah exactly, wouldn't that prove beenficial even on the stock aio if it could be kept reasonable? Or do you really need the full ln2 business to take advantage of the xoc bios
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
2019/05/07 13:56:14
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There is thermal headroom I just don't know if it's the die I'm being limited by or by not using the xoc bios ya know, or by not using the CT tool. Sliders are cool just wish I knew more about what they did lmao. I'm still on loadline 10 as well
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
2019/05/07 14:37:44
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meh. It is probably not worth it. The KPE is Pretty much engineered to deliver the best perf it can at ambient. Risk to reward is pretty high. The engineer that designed the card is pretty clear that at ambient temps the 3 shipped bios's are all you need. That being said if you plan on exotic cooling I can't really think of a good reason not to test the functionality of the XOC bios prior to going sub zero... I personally would get really intimate with the card and its shipped bios versions before moving on to custom... So much perf to be gained on the memory side. I would spend some time with that aspect.
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
2019/05/07 16:23:23
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There is thermal headroom I just don't know if it's the die I'm being limited by or by not using the xoc bios ya know, or by not using the CT tool. Sliders are cool just wish I knew more about what they did lmao. I'm still on loadline 10 as well
Loadline 10 is max droop. Your running really low voltage under what your setting. Default loadline. Try GPU voltage of between 1.05-1.01v. You'll need to uncheck auto first to change the GPU voltage at the top. Change loadline to 0 <- 0 droop but more heat or 1-3. Hit apply. Test. You can change the memory voltage but doing so you'll need to reboot the system for that to take on the next boot.. not sure if it's the same for loadline. Now you'll have plenty of voltage to try some clocks.. usually 2160-2205+ should be good. Watch the wattage used on the card. You should be hitting close if not over 400watts on good load like 3dmark firestrike extreme test 1.
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
2019/05/07 16:45:39
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There is thermal headroom I just don't know if it's the die I'm being limited by or by not using the xoc bios ya know, or by not using the CT tool. Sliders are cool just wish I knew more about what they did lmao. I'm still on loadline 10 as well
Loadline 10 is max droop. Your running really low voltage under what your setting. Default loadline.
Try GPU voltage of between 1.05-1.01v. You'll need to uncheck auto first to change the GPU voltage at the top.
Change loadline to 0 <- 0 droop but more heat or 1-3. Hit apply.
Test.
You can change the memory voltage but doing so you'll need to reboot the system for that to take on the next boot.. not sure if it's the same for loadline.
Now you'll have plenty of voltage to try some clocks.. usually 2160-2205+ should be good.
Watch the wattage used on the card. You should be hitting close if not over 400watts on good load like 3dmark firestrike extreme test 1.
You keep repeating yourself but it's not working the way you say it.
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
2019/05/07 16:53:26
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That'd be a nice clock ahowes. And that is zeddi for the info. The gpu voltage is the top slider in the CT tool? I'll give it a whirl. I tried load line 0 and lost 4k points on timespy but didn't change anything along with it haha My car hardly ever passes 370w as far as the.monitors read. I do understand it spikes well above this hence the extra power headroom for smooth performance
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
2019/05/07 17:18:02
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There is thermal headroom I just don't know if it's the die I'm being limited by or by not using the xoc bios ya know, or by not using the CT tool. Sliders are cool just wish I knew more about what they did lmao. I'm still on loadline 10 as well
Loadline 10 is max droop. Your running really low voltage under what your setting. Default loadline.
Try GPU voltage of between 1.05-1.01v. You'll need to uncheck auto first to change the GPU voltage at the top.
Change loadline to 0 <- 0 droop but more heat or 1-3. Hit apply.
Test.
You can change the memory voltage but doing so you'll need to reboot the system for that to take on the next boot.. not sure if it's the same for loadline.
Now you'll have plenty of voltage to try some clocks.. usually 2160-2205+ should be good.
Watch the wattage used on the card. You should be hitting close if not over 400watts on good load like 3dmark firestrike extreme test 1.
You keep repeating yourself but it's not working the way you say it.
Both of my cards seem to be at best to set Classy Tool LL=0 Top Slider 1.06250 2nd Slider 1.47500 3rd Slider 1.149 then reboot computer. Make sure classy tool is still set as before, Then run PX1 as admin voltage=100 power=144 memory +1390 which is 2098mhz and gpu clock +135 which is 2190mhz. This is my settings for Port Royal, if i start running Time Spy Extreme i have to use different settings. Kinda weird the way the tests go.
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
2019/05/07 18:42:42
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There is thermal headroom I just don't know if it's the die I'm being limited by or by not using the xoc bios ya know, or by not using the CT tool. Sliders are cool just wish I knew more about what they did lmao. I'm still on loadline 10 as well
Loadline 10 is max droop. Your running really low voltage under what your setting. Default loadline.
Try GPU voltage of between 1.05-1.01v. You'll need to uncheck auto first to change the GPU voltage at the top.
Change loadline to 0 <- 0 droop but more heat or 1-3. Hit apply.
Test.
You can change the memory voltage but doing so you'll need to reboot the system for that to take on the next boot.. not sure if it's the same for loadline.
Now you'll have plenty of voltage to try some clocks.. usually 2160-2205+ should be good.
Watch the wattage used on the card. You should be hitting close if not over 400watts on good load like 3dmark firestrike extreme test 1.
You keep repeating yourself but it's not working the way you say it.
Both of my cards seem to be at best to set Classy Tool LL=0 Top Slider 1.06250 2nd Slider 1.47500 3rd Slider 1.149 then reboot computer. Make sure classy tool is still set as before, Then run PX1 as admin voltage=100 power=144 memory +1390 which is 2098mhz and gpu clock +135 which is 2190mhz. This is my settings for Port Royal, if i start running Time Spy Extreme i have to use different settings. Kinda weird the way the tests go.
Yeah I've heard people mention ya gets find a sweet spot for different benchmarks.
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
2019/05/07 18:44:43
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That'd be a nice clock ahowes. And that is zeddi for the info.
The gpu voltage is the top slider in the CT tool? I'll give it a whirl. I tried load line 0 and lost 4k points on timespy but didn't change anything along with it haha
My car hardly ever passes 370w as far as the.monitors read. I do understand it spikes well above this hence the extra power headroom for smooth performance
? Maybe you were hitting the power limit during the bench? Did you see power limit "1" at all during the bench and or your clocks down down during load? What clock did you try for it?
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
2019/05/07 19:14:16
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Both of my cards seem to be at best to set Classy Tool LL=0 Top Slider 1.06250 2nd Slider 1.47500 3rd Slider 1.149 then reboot computer. Make sure classy tool is still set as before, Then run PX1 as admin voltage=100 power=144 memory +1390 which is 2098mhz and gpu clock +135 which is 2190mhz. This is my settings for Port Royal, if i start running Time Spy Extreme i have to use different settings. Kinda weird the way the tests go.
I think that because you are running SLI you needed to boost the PCIE V. Single card should not require a boost in PCIE V at the slot. If you read the technical guide it provides some visibility on what is going on behind the scenes with the 3DMark bench's. http://akamai-dl.futuremark.com.akamaized.net/3dmark-technical-guide.pdf TLDR is TimeSpy Extreme is very different than Firestrike ultra ect ect ect. This is why Firestrike can easily run faster memory OC's and GPU clock speeds and the same tuning may prove unstable in another bench. Another interesting thing about TimeSpy Extreme is its implementation of AVX 2. Though the avx workload does not persist thoughout the CPU bench avx performance is a factor. There are a variety of differences between the feature utilization's and feature sets UL uses to apply pressure to GPU architectures for DX11 and DX12. One thing that keeps it all at bay is the intent to support older generations of GPUS. This forces UL to not incorporate the newest features into their benchmark suite. This is also probably the reason Port Royal is a stand alone instead of the wholesale application of ray tracing.
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
2019/05/07 20:59:21
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
2019/05/07 21:24:38
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Something is wrong with your combined score. Missing like 3k in combined points for 5ghz intel arnt you? Maybe take a break from gpu tweaking and focus on combined runs. Use eleet or something to tweak cpu without rebooting back to the bios and grind up some combined points. Memory tweaking will probably help in combined and so will w/e the name of mesh is for cache and core interconnect on your cpu
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
2019/05/07 21:45:20
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Something is wrong with your combined score. Missing like 3k in combined points for 5ghz intel arnt you?
Maybe take a break from gpu tweaking and focus on combined runs. Use eleet or something to tweak cpu without rebooting back to the bios and grind up some combined points. Memory tweaking will probably help in combined and so will w/e the name of mesh is for cache and core interconnect on your cpu
Redoing the CPU and Memory now. Going to go back to 51 as well.
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
2019/05/07 21:57:15
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Currently using Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 7 EVGA 2080 TI KingPin Intel 9900K GSkill 3200 EVGA G2 1300
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