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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
2019/05/06 20:32:15
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
2019/05/06 20:32:40
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No idea really what this Thread really is all about but LL Seems to make a Small Difference
https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/19262525/fs/19262454
Noticed you're running lower mem and higher gpu. You mentioned that yielded better performance earlier somewhere. When I ran LL 0/1, higher mem, and lower gpu yielded more consistent scores and stability. m=1320/g=110 gave me the best 2160/2175 scores with card drawing easy +400 watts. Throttles down to 2160-2140, but higher scores and misleading clocks reported. I need to try the prescribed m=1000 and slowly build g=110-135 levels with LL0/1 and see. I'm keeping nvvdd=1.05-1.093. Haven't tried overvolting nvvdd too much, yet. Only went as high as 1.1 on LL1/2 a couple times. Being conservative and getting to know GPU boost.
It is going up but https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/19262833/fs/19262586I have only set the LL in the Classified Tool. I want to see what the card can do without changing and Voltages. I went down with LL 10 and now going back up with LL 0
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
2019/05/06 20:57:25
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It is going up but https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/19262833/fs/19262586
I have only set the LL in the Classified Tool. I want to see what the card can do without changing and Voltages.
I went down with LL 10 and now going back up with LL 0
At first, I skipped around and found similar behavior as AHowes. I could find stable performance with nvvdd=1.05 G=120-135, but scores sucked at high LL. Noticed power was always below 360w, lower 300s. Then, I started watching power more closely with fixed voltages at various G settings. I've been using G=120-110 at nvvdd=1.05/1.075/1.093 in steps, changing LL from 10/3/1/0. G=130, nvvdd=1.05, LL=10/3/1/0 G=129, nvvdd=1.05, LL=10/3/1/0 etc. then tried 1.075, then 1.093 Since I'm only doing single pass, it's pass/fail. when I find highest scores, I tried to repeat tests later for stability and deviate +/- 1 on G and V at various LL. I disabled NIC so I don't flood 3dmark with scores. LL=10 is a waste of time. This is all new to me from old POC.
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
2019/05/06 21:23:01
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
2019/05/06 21:25:08
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Mm, I can't get higher frequencies or scores nomatter what voltage or llc I try... P*ssing me off, card is completely locked under 360w and doesn't even hit above 337w 99% of the time. Might aswell have a founders at this point.
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
2019/05/06 21:33:27
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Mm, I can't get higher frequencies or scores nomatter what voltage or llc I try...
P*ssing me off.
Use afterburner.. set a static voltage and loadline in ct. Then open ab. Make sure power and all the jazz is max and open the curve. Control f. Grab any voltage dot and raise it. I always grab 1.093v dot and drag it up to the clock you want and hit control l to bring up a solid vertical yellow line and hit the check mark in ab to set it. Ab will only show you the voltage you have selected on there so it's not the right voltage you set in CT so ignore. You cant use a higher voltage dot above 1.093v in ab but it dont matter since you've locked it with CT. Anyways.. if you do it wont work right.. think it will show voltage limit 1 the whole time and it wont clock right. If you want to change the clock in the curve first set the clock back to 0 and hit the check mark to clean the curve back to default and open the curve back up to set a new one. Test
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
2019/05/06 21:37:13
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Try 1.1+ voltage and LL 0/1. You forsure will be using alot of power then.. scores should go way up.
I've seen above 400 watts that way.. easy on test 1 of firestrike extreme.
2160-2205 is where most score best so far from what I'm reading.. I can bench higher but not at high voltages.. it will freeze durring bench. So I have to use a lower voltage but assuming it's not a very solidly stable clock at 2300 cause of the lower scores. Negative scailing.. prob need more voltage and more cooling.
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
2019/05/06 21:47:33
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Mm, I can't get higher frequencies or scores nomatter what voltage or llc I try...
P*ssing me off.
Use afterburner.. set a static voltage and loadline in ct. Then open ab. Make sure power and all the jazz is max and open the curve. Control f. Grab any voltage dot and raise it. I always grab 1.093v dot and drag it up to the clock you want and hit control l to bring up a solid vertical yellow line and hit the check mark in ab to set it.
Ab will only show you the voltage you have selected on there so it's not the right voltage you set in CT so ignore.
You cant use a higher voltage dot above 1.093v in ab but it dont matter since you've locked it with CT. Anyways.. if you do it wont work right.. think it will show voltage limit 1 the whole time and it wont clock right.
If you want to change the clock in the curve first set the clock back to 0 and hit the check mark to clean the curve back to default and open the curve back up to set a new one.
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Agreed. I finally got fed up with PX1. Afterburner without all the nonsense "rivatuner, OSD" ect is orders of magnitude more stable and from my testing has 0 to .001 impact on scores if left running. The curve editor is a little strange if your temps change before for apply save it changes the curve but once you get the hang of it... Used Afterburner for years and then XOC for a bit on account of KBOOST on pascal. As for tuning the KPE eventually you get to a point where "miracle" scores are consistent. That is if you are methodical in your data collection. I can hit same scores on like 5 versions of the drivers repetitively. The KPE is really going to open up once we start getting them sub ambient and sub zero.
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
2019/05/06 21:56:53
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Tried all of it but the card is stuck at a 100% power limit wall and never uses more than 352W even after adding more voltage. Both cards are stuck under 360W.
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
2019/05/06 22:06:50
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Well I made a thread about how I fealt it was stuck and so did AHowes or someone else I forget but T|N schooled us on how to tune the card. I agree it feels like its stuck but I assure you it is not. Today I benched at over 380 watts average and last week I struggled to see a spike in watts 360. It also depends on which bench you are running and learning your card. I am pretty slow so it took me 3 weeks to get it. Others probably figured it out in a couple hours. Like Richie ect... You literally have not owned the card long enough to have "tried all of it." and neither have I.
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
2019/05/06 22:11:48
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Well I made a thread about how I fealt it was stuck and so did AHowes or someone else I forget but T|N schooled us on how to tune the card. I agree it feels like its stuck but I assure you it is not. Today I benched at over 380 watts average and last week I struggled to see a spike in watts 360. It also depends on which bench you are running and learning your card. I am pretty slow so it took me 3 weeks to get it. Others probably figured it out in a couple hours. Like Richie ect...
You literally have not owned the card long enough to have "tried all of it." and neither have I.
Buddy, it literally never goes above 352W in LN2/OC/normal bios even using the curve, how do I fix this? Lol. I'm using the curve at 1.093v and classified. Better work soon cuz I've got about 9 days to return it. This is a good way to fake benchmark MHz tho https://www.3dmark.com/spy/7113082
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
2019/05/06 22:44:21
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4.3053 is not the best driver for TS. is pretty good for Port Royal. Set your clock down at 2160-2175. Find the stable voltage range for TS if that is what you are going to bench. Give your samsung mem some voltage so it can stretch its legs. LLC at 0 Voltage at 1.03-1.10 Walk the voltage up on GT2 to find voltage stability ceiling at stock. Walk the memory up on GT2 to find MEM clock stability at trained voltage range. Observe the scores scale. This process could be done for every boost step between 100 to 200. I have 500+ log entries for fire-strike alone. Or Complain about the KPE, never get to know it and return it for something more curated or maybe you get another one and its a golden sample. Good luck The devil you know and all that...
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
2019/05/06 22:54:23
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4.3053 is not the best driver for TS. is pretty good for Port Royal.
Set your clock down at 2160-2175. Find the stable voltage range for TS if that is what you are going to bench. Give your samsung mem some voltage so it can stretch its legs.
LLC at 0
Voltage at 1.03-1.10
Walk the voltage up on GT2 to find voltage stability ceiling at stock.
Walk the memory up on GT2 to find MEM clock stability at trained voltage range.
Observe the scores scale.
This process could be done for every boost step between 100 to 200.
I have 500+ log entries for fire-strike alone.
Or
Complain about the KPE, never get to know it and return it for something more curated or maybe you get another one and its a golden sample. Good luck
The devil you know and all that...
I'm definitely returning the second as SLI is a meme, trying to figure out the first, atleast I know how to fake MHz in benchmarks now.
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
2019/05/06 23:37:35
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 at least you get to self bin 
I get a higher score without using the fake mhz of afterburner curve https://www.3dmark.com/co...s/19263758/fs/19263660https://www.3dmark.com/co...py/7113082/spy/7086869Also in reference to the OP post, setting the core clock in MSI Afterburners curve by using CTRL+L/R may set your MHz as high as you want but it's just a visual change, not a true core clock. You're better off just manually using the additional +MHz via numbers and setting manual voltage using the classified tool. I can say I clocked my card to 2400MHz or whatever you want but it means absolutely nothing because that's not a true clock speed unless we're talking LN2 with an XOC bios. Think of it more of a visual bug than anything else. You get what you're given with these cards unless you're prepared to put it under LN2/DICE however for daily use it's still a great card and outperforms most with extremely low temperatures.
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
2019/05/07 09:54:38
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Of course it's not a high bench cause prob was'nt enough voltage for the mhz to be fully stable.
I lock my voltage with CT every time I use ab.
What's the difference with px1? Punch a number in for clock on px1 and it's making a curve for it as well just as ab. But it's doing it differently as its moving the whole curve unlike on ab I can just adjust the one voltage I want to use at a certain clock. Now it's not using that voltage in ab.. its using the voltage in CT.
Hopefully they add more options in PX1 for the curve like they did way back when in PXOC.
Anyways.. one can have both PX1 open and AB. Set the curve for that FAKE curve you call it and check PX1 and see it's not adjusted the same.
If PX1 could get there OSD working 100% like AB does I'd be on it as I could see more info on their OSD.
So anyways.. same deal. Lock the voltage at say 1.01v for kicks and LL10.. run 2160. Take note of the score and or graphics score. If it runs.. then do again at 1.1+ v and LL0/1 and check the scores.
More voltage equals more stable core clock.. same with running your fake mhz. Not really fully stable cause it's not enough voltage at that fake clock.. prob temp also has to play at that clock as TiN mentioned.. need sub zero temps.
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
2019/05/07 11:37:04
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Well I have associated while using PX1 with TimeSpy GT2 and FSX GT2 about 3/4 of the way through it wants to bump the clock up one step, hits a power limit and crashes the benchmark.
Annoying.
AB does not do this. If you top out your clocks in the curve and temps are stable the clocks stay locked at the set point and the bench is stable. This is how I got multiple full power bench runs completed at 2205. Something I was unable to accomplish with PX1.
If I went in and messed with the PX1 curve editor maybe the result would be the same but boy oh boy that is a cumbersome experience.
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
2019/05/07 12:11:15
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Try setting the curve in AB. Then while that's open open up PX1. Now go check the curve in PX1 and compare.. for me it looks like px1 will copy the settings from AB when opened.
Hit apply on PX1 and see if the new curve in PX1 holds.
Close AB.. test with PX1.
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
2019/05/07 12:44:45
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Has anyone tried the xoc bios on the stock cooler yet? I've been messing around w mine on the OC bios just gettinf a feel for things.
Benching at 2160/2130 all day. Gaming at 2050+ title dependent at 45+/-degrees.
Wondering if the stock cooler is enough for an xoc bios and maybe another 100mhz
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
2019/05/07 12:46:08
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I know a lot of this has been covered ad nauseum. But the literature shipped with the card really only gauaranteed 1000+ on mem and 2000+MHz sustained on the stock 240aio . I'm happy with it meeting it's claims
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
2019/05/07 12:47:11
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I'm not an LN2 guy. But I do wish to see a nice balanced OC with a clock that's bragworthy :):)
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
2019/05/07 12:48:14
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Lastly, is there a CT tool for dummies guide?
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
2019/05/07 13:02:38
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@ oscyjack FYI you can edit your Own Posts. oscyjack
Has anyone tried the xoc bios on the stock cooler yet? I've been messing around w mine on the OC bios just gettinf a feel for things.
Benching at 2160/2130 all day. Gaming at 2050+ title dependent at 45+/-degrees.
Wondering if the stock cooler is enough for an xoc bios and maybe another 100mhz The XOC Bios is really only for LN2 oscyjack
I know a lot of this has been covered ad nauseum. But the literature shipped with the card really only gauaranteed 1000+ on mem and 2000+MHz sustained on the stock 240aio . I'm happy with it meeting it's claims
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Lastly, is there a CT tool for dummies guide?
Only what we have posted here on the Forum and here https://xdevs.com/guide/2080ti_kpe/EVGA NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti KINGPIN is HERE!EVGA OC Lab Some are some members that install the LN2 Bios on the OC Bios for Full Fan use. There is tons of posts the review about this card good and bad.
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I'm just on cell so it usually makes it worse . Apologize for the real estate usage.
I'm running in the OC/ln2 bios back and forth. But I'm wondering about the xoc bios off the xdevs page, as that's what Vince indicated he used when gamers Nexus visited, and it's safety / usability on air. I'm sure I'll need to use the classified tool but I'm gun-shy on using it without a little education. In the xdevs page it just says to unleash the beast.
I'm sitting at +50 on the clock stable (2050/2160 benchmark / game dependent) with 1200 on the memory in the ln2 bios at full fans. I did assume more was available as far as top end clocks. I know I have the thermal headroom to go somewhat higher. I'm hitting voltage limit, and gotta figure that out. I'm new to the OC game, at least at this level.
I assume the xoc bios could allow for some more horsepower, but I am a gamer and not an xocer. I just want the best stable performance I can get :) this thing sure is a beast in it's original form anyways. I took 40th on 4k superposition without doing much
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
2019/05/07 13:16:47
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Also cav congrats on your 3dmark, saw you post somewhere
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
2019/05/07 13:18:14
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There isn't anything wrong running the ln2 bios rather than reflashing the OC profile correct? Assuming I'm not going crazy on the settings. It just gets rid of thermal protections but I'm not even close to those or am I wrong?
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
2019/05/07 13:18:26
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I'm just on cell so it usually makes it worse . Apologize for the real estate usage.
I'm running in the OC/ln2 bios back and forth. But I'm wondering about the xoc bios off the xdevs page, as that's what Vince indicated he used when gamers Nexus visited, and it's safety / usability on air. I'm sure I'll need to use the classified tool but I'm gun-shy on using it without a little education. In the xdevs page it just says to unleash the beast.
I'm sitting at +50 on the clock stable (2050/2160 benchmark / game dependent) with 1200 on the memory in the ln2 bios at full fans. I did assume more was available as far as top end clocks. I know I have the thermal headroom to go somewhat higher. I'm hitting voltage limit, and gotta figure that out. I'm new to the OC game, at least at this level.
I assume the xoc bios could allow for some more horsepower, but I am a gamer and not an xocer. I just want the best stable performance I can get :) this thing sure is a beast in it's original form anyways. I took 40th on 4k superposition without doing much
What I mean is we are updating the OC or Normal Bios with the Bios from the LN2 Bios, not change the Bios Switch. You can damage your card running on the LN2 Switch Settings on Air or even Water. There is a Post telling us we will not gain anything on air or water with the XOC Bios.
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
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Can, but not at mild settings. Or am I way wrong?
So your saying the bios is fine but the switch itself could be a don't go zone?
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Re: Anyone figure out the Kingpin card yet?
2019/05/07 13:23:27
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Can, but not at mild settings. Or am I way wrong?
So your saying the bios is fine but the switch itself could be a don't go zone?
IMO Yes the LN2 Bios Settings on the Card is a No-Go or Don't Go Zone. Unless you are on LN2. But it is up to each owner to make this choice for their own card.
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