Scarlet-Tech

Because there is still an embargo attached to AIB specific cards. Dont forget, the 1080 and 1070 founder edition cards were released 2 weeks before the board partners were allowed to release their own cards. This is no different. We should know more when Nvidia stops telling the board partners to wait.

Do you have a source for confirmation on the embargo? That's extremely scummy of Nvidia to do if true.

This confuses me because I've had people tell me, with proof, that they ordered the 1080 FTW back in late May of last year, only a couple days after the FE launched. I even remember scolding my buddy for not waiting and jumping on a crappy FE card, linking him the comparisons of FE and aftermarket 1080s how they throttle clocks while aftermarket stays stable. And this was only days after the FE launched. I googled and googled and googled but I could not find a single article saying "they're here, buy your 1080 FTW today." But if people proved they bought theirs only a few days after the FE, I guess that's something. 2 weeks - 2 MONTHS is craziness. How can it take that long after all these years of experience with the process?

Wow I just dug through my SMS log with my buddy and after scrolling for an eternity, waddya know, the message where I show him how vulgar language removed the FE is and how it throttles compared to an MSI card, posted June 2nd, less than a week after FE launch. I call shenanigans on this 2 weeks embargo nonsense.

http://i.imgur.com/WHuIj7Ah.jpg

Those guys reviewing it had to have it for at least a day or so to benchmark and compare results. I absolutely believe those guys who told me they ordered their FTW and other custom cards only days after FE. Something fishy is going on here.

DaRkL3AD3R

Scarlet-Tech

Because there is still an embargo attached to AIB specific cards. Dont forget, the 1080 and 1070 founder edition cards were released 2 weeks before the board partners were allowed to release their own cards. This is no different. We should know more when Nvidia stops telling the board partners to wait.

Do you have a source for confirmation on the embargo? That's extremely scummy of Nvidia to do if true.

This confuses me because I've had people tell me, with proof, that they ordered the 1080 FTW back in late May of last year, only a couple days after the FE launched. I even remember scolding my buddy for not waiting and jumping on a crappy FE card, linking him the comparisons of FE and aftermarket 1080s how they throttle clocks while aftermarket stays stable. And this was only days after the FE launched. I googled and googled and googled but I could not find a single article saying "they're here, buy your 1080 FTW today." But if people proved they bought theirs only a few days after the FE, I guess that's something. 2 weeks - 2 MONTHS is craziness. How can it take that long after all these years of experience with the process?

Wow I just dug through my SMS log with my buddy and after scrolling for an eternity, waddya know, the message where I show him how vulgar language removed the FE is and how it throttles compared to an MSI card, posted June 2nd, less than a week after FE launch. I call shenanigans on this 2 weeks embargo nonsense.

http://i.imgur.com/WHuIj7Ah.jpg

Those guys reviewing it had to have it for at least a day or so to benchmark and compare results. I absolutely believe those guys who told me they ordered their FTW and other custom cards only days after FE. Something fishy is going on here.

it took them 16 days after the 1080 launch to have the acx card's i think the ftw version came out around then also. hopefully it won't take them to much longer than that

DaRkL3AD3R

Scarlet-Tech

Because there is still an embargo attached to AIB specific cards. Dont forget, the 1080 and 1070 founder edition cards were released 2 weeks before the board partners were allowed to release their own cards. This is no different. We should know more when Nvidia stops telling the board partners to wait.

Do you have a source for confirmation on the embargo? That's extremely scummy of Nvidia to do if true.

This confuses me because I've had people tell me, with proof, that they ordered the 1080 FTW back in late May of last year, only a couple days after the FE launched. I even remember scolding my buddy for not waiting and jumping on a crappy FE card, linking him the comparisons of FE and aftermarket 1080s how they throttle clocks while aftermarket stays stable. And this was only days after the FE launched. I googled and googled and googled but I could not find a single article saying "they're here, buy your 1080 FTW today." But if people proved they bought theirs only a few days after the FE, I guess that's something. 2 weeks - 2 MONTHS is craziness. How can it take that long after all these years of experience with the process?

Wow I just dug through my SMS log with my buddy and after scrolling for an eternity, waddya know, the message where I show him how vulgar language removed the FE is and how it throttles compared to an MSI card, posted June 2nd, less than a week after FE launch. I call shenanigans on this 2 weeks embargo nonsense.

http://i.imgur.com/WHuIj7Ah.jpg

Those guys reviewing it had to have it for at least a day or so to benchmark and compare results. I absolutely believe those guys who told me they ordered their FTW and other custom cards only days after FE. Something fishy is going on here.

Jacob basically said on his livestream today that there is no NDA/embargo about the cards. Now that is not to say that Nvidia hasn't worked out some sort of a deal with regards to giving the FE a jump start, but I doubt it. As for cards like the SC2 & FTW3, he wouldn't give a launch date because they don't have a hard one set yet. Well he said he wouldn't want to give a date and have it wrong, and lets face it the people here would basically crucify him if he was wrong. Second they don't even have the clocks set in stone for the FTW3. I would guess most manufacturers are in the same boat. Constantly testing chips and getting them binned into sc/sc2/ftw3/etc. Once they have enough of each then they will launch. And since the FTW3 will understandably be the hardest to get the number of chips it needs will be the last to be released.

ipaine

Jacob basically said on his livestream today that there is no NDA/embargo about the cards. Now that is not to say that Nvidia hasn't worked out some sort of a deal with regards to giving the FE a jump start, but I doubt it. As for cards like the SC2 & FTW3, he wouldn't give a launch date because they don't have a hard one set yet. Well he said he wouldn't want to give a date and have it wrong, and lets face it the people here would basically crucify him if he was wrong. Second they don't even have the clocks set in stone for the FTW3. I would guess most manufacturers are in the same boat. Constantly testing chips and getting them binned into sc/sc2/ftw3/etc. Once they have enough of each then they will launch. And since the FTW3 will understandably be the hardest to get the number of chips it needs will be the last to be released.

I knew the embargo thing was BS. Well I hope things go smoothly, waiting until May is just out of the question. At this point, I'd take a SC1 and be happy. But I would feel like I'm getting the gimped choice because I have a feeling that 3 fan cooler is going to perform significantly better. I just wish they would talk a bit more about this stuff instead of leaving us in the dark.

Slammy
I'll believe that chart if they are using the stock fan curve. I think at stock, it limits the fan to 60%or something. You have to use a custom fan curve and yes, it will get loud. I had a Founders 1080 and it would OC to 2000 easily and never dropped below 1950. This is in a Corsair 800d case with crappy air flow.

I don't enjoy jet turbines in my bedroom. Never again getting a reference card.

Scarlet-Tech

DaRkL3AD3R

ipaine

Jacob basically said on his livestream today that there is no NDA/embargo about the cards. Now that is not to say that Nvidia hasn't worked out some sort of a deal with regards to giving the FE a jump start, but I doubt it. As for cards like the SC2 & FTW3, he wouldn't give a launch date because they don't have a hard one set yet. Well he said he wouldn't want to give a date and have it wrong, and lets face it the people here would basically crucify him if he was wrong. Second they don't even have the clocks set in stone for the FTW3. I would guess most manufacturers are in the same boat. Constantly testing chips and getting them binned into sc/sc2/ftw3/etc. Once they have enough of each then they will launch. And since the FTW3 will understandably be the hardest to get the number of chips it needs will be the last to be released.

I knew the embargo thing was BS. Well I hope things go smoothly, waiting until May is just out of the question. At this point, I'd take a SC1 and be happy. But I would feel like I'm getting the gimped choice because I have a feeling that 3 fan cooler is going to perform significantly better. I just wish they would talk a bit more about this stuff instead of leaving us in the dark.

Ok, i figured there was an embargo since NO company has provided information. Also "Jacob basically said?" Basically isnt direct.. with the way people completely misinterpret things, basically saying something holds very little weight in my eyes. Dont forget, people basically said the card was launching at 6am, and the forum had posts with people freaking out because there were no cards for sale at 6am. Fact was that the time had been 10am for over a week, and people basically didnt read.

I am not trying to say ipaine did anything wrong either. Just a fact about the interpretation.

No worries. And even after reading my reply again I regretted using that word. He did say there is no embargo/NDA. I think I used basically because I can't remember if he said embargo or NDA and didn't want things to be thought of as an exact quote. But I do understand about the embargo since no one is really saying anything. I'm guessing that while it is not an embargo, I think that maybe Nvidia holds off on sending the chips for as long as possible. This way they do up a bunch of FE cards and send them to everyone and then start sending chips. Because of this no one has time to finalize their clock speeds in time for launch. That way you are guaranteed to sell a bunch of FE cards and then in a week or two people will start to get the custom ones since they will have had time to bin their chips and finalize things.
 
Make sense?
 
Frankly I just wish someone from EVGA would come in here and actually set us straight. Its not like they have to give us clock speeds or release dates, just tell us the process so we know. It would be nice to know.

Ok so I got my 1080 FTW a month ago... I want that 1080 Ti Beast... It just screams for me to step it up. But will there be any aftermarket cooler version included in the step up ?? Im not a fan of the green LEDs of the FE, as I have an all orange and black build with a tempered glass case ! :( But hey, if there'S not going to have a step up to SC, SC2 or FTW3, I'll live with it.. 56 days left to wait lol...

TheRealFoXQc
Ok so I got my 1080 FTW a month ago... I want that 1080 Ti Beast... It just screams for me to step it up. But will there be any aftermarket cooler version included in the step up ?? Im not a fan of the green LEDs of the FE, as I have an all orange and black build with a tempered glass case ! :( But hey, if there'S not going to have a step up to SC, SC2 or FTW3, I'll live with it.. 56 days left to wait lol...

Like warrior10 said at this point no, the only card available for step-up with regards to the 1080ti is the FE. But I would say there is a decent chance of the SC black also ending up on that list. Only because that is the only announced card that has a reference board (well aside from the DVI). So really if, and I mean if, any other card gets added it would be that one. When, not before it goes on sale that's for sure.

Scarlet-Tech

DaRkL3AD3R

ipaine

Jacob basically said on his livestream today that there is no NDA/embargo about the cards. Now that is not to say that Nvidia hasn't worked out some sort of a deal with regards to giving the FE a jump start, but I doubt it. As for cards like the SC2 & FTW3, he wouldn't give a launch date because they don't have a hard one set yet. Well he said he wouldn't want to give a date and have it wrong, and lets face it the people here would basically crucify him if he was wrong. Second they don't even have the clocks set in stone for the FTW3. I would guess most manufacturers are in the same boat. Constantly testing chips and getting them binned into sc/sc2/ftw3/etc. Once they have enough of each then they will launch. And since the FTW3 will understandably be the hardest to get the number of chips it needs will be the last to be released.

I knew the embargo thing was BS. Well I hope things go smoothly, waiting until May is just out of the question. At this point, I'd take a SC1 and be happy. But I would feel like I'm getting the gimped choice because I have a feeling that 3 fan cooler is going to perform significantly better. I just wish they would talk a bit more about this stuff instead of leaving us in the dark.

Ok, i figured there was an embargo since NO company has provided information. Also "Jacob basically said?" Basically isnt direct.. with the way people completely misinterpret things, basically saying something holds very little weight in my eyes. Dont forget, people basically said the card was launching at 6am, and the forum had posts with people freaking out because there were no cards for sale at 6am. Fact was that the time had been 10am for over a week, and people basically didnt read.

I am not trying to say ipaine did anything wrong either. Just a fact about the interpretation.

I know truthfully, i along with other people of the press and even some people that do Internet Tech-related shows, or just private-sector even in Contractor working, that their is Always an NDA that we have to abide by. Also, Fact is we cannot even talk about it legally speaking, but only keep the mouth shut unless the NDA is lifted by said Companies.
 
I've had to do plenty of legal  NDA's in my life doing a lot of things i'm proud to have worked, but don't ever talk about them, even now unless said Company has said from a real Official, that the NDA has lifted and certain things can be talked about legally and other things cannot sometimes ever be public because said Companies have a lot to lose if public does knows too much about /bugs, etc that could have happened in the Testing environment.
 
Honestly, i don't know what happned with Nvidia with the Gpu's, but i do know Scarlet-Tech, as an honest person when it comes to stuff like this, and I do know also that Certain companies actually do things that Scarlet-Tech has talked about. The only thing is usually people that know about stuff like this are luckily able to get good info from reliable sources, or they have been in an NDA-testing environment themselves and know about certain things.
 
So, i would not be surprised if Nvidia did something like Scarlet-Tech said because fact is Nvidia might only be able to gain more sales by doing this stuff, because fact is, this makes Media-buzz around the world, which could also mean more sales for Nvidia. Companies around the world do this kind of stuff and it's really a Psychological thing Corporations do to gain statistics on how to make a better profit, though in doing this Corporation also know as much as they can gain, it is also a big Gamble and can also backfire with bad Media/News/Internet-news sites, etc.

warrior10

cdburrus
While I'm thrilled to have snagged a Founders card, i know the cooler is pretty much meh, especially according to the Gamers Nexus review.  The reference card is plenty fast enough for my needs, so I just have to decide whether to later step up to a Black Edition (if possible) for the better cooler and minor OC or to grab and slap on an Arctic Accelero fan.  I'm definitely leaning toward the former.

I must admit, that as much as i can complain about people feeling self-entitlement when they shouldn't, i would love to be able to Modify that air-exhaust design on the 1080Ti FE edition and use an alternate but safe design that would be very beneficial to all 1080 FE owner's, but i think most people and Evga would only think that people would want cooled better for only OC'ing which i don't care to do with such a powerful Gpu.

While I'd love to have something like the FTW3, I couldn't justify waiting for one for my needs.  I was thrilled to have the 1080 FTW2 because none of us really expected the Ti to be as significantly more powerful than a 1080 than we learned nor be as cheap for the base model without the silly premium former founders editions commanded in price.  As one of many who didn't wait and snagged the FE, I don't need any huge overclock, just a quiet effective cooler that won't cause the card to throttle too soon when I eventually push the card harder.  That's the only reason my FE cooler has to go.  I'm not a water cooling person, so I figure I'd be spending about $80-100 whether I'm able to go from FE to Black via step up (likely not a huge cost difference from FE, but back and forth shipping taken into account) or keep the FE and get a third party cooler.  (As for why I didn't wait, it was one of those things where if I didn't spend the money now I wouldn't have it later, but spending another $100 or so sooner isn't an issue.).  As it stands, the FE shouldn't even make much noise for me in the short term as I'm primarily gaming at 1920x1200 and sometimes 5760x1200 until I get a 4K screen by year's end (and maybe eventually Hololens when it gets more affordable).  The card will be living in my very roomy CM ATCS 840 full tower, so I've never had heat concerns necessitating a blower for cooling to begin with.  
 
Whatever happens, I'm thrilled we're getting such a high-performance card so affordably.  No matter how Volta and Vega eventually turn out, I know I won't be disappointed in this purchase.

So if I an owner of a 1080ftw2 wants to step up to a 1080ti, will a step up to at least the black or sc2 version be available? Can a mod provide a direct answer please or pm

Enzo1126
So if I an owner of a 1080ftw2 wants to step up to a 1080ti, will a step up to at least the black or sc2 version be available? Can a mod provide a direct answer please or pm

Nope, a mod cant provide a direct answer. We know what you know. We dont work for EVGA, we just assist on the forums to help remove vulgar language and accidental double posts.

Like cdburrus said, when evga makes an announcement, we will all know at the same time.

Scarlet-Tech

Enzo1126
So if I an owner of a 1080ftw2 wants to step up to a 1080ti, will a step up to at least the black or sc2 version be available? Can a mod provide a direct answer please or pm

Nope, a mod cant provide a direct answer. We know what you know. We dont work for EVGA, we just assist on the forums to help remove vulgar language and accidental double posts.

Like cdburrus said, when evga makes an announcement, we will all know at the same time.

Scarlet-Tech, it would be hell if you and other Mods could answer those questions, i mean they would have to pay you guys a lot of money, and i think you guys are doing this position free of charge as is. But it would be hellous because everyone on this earth would be asking, and some still do about when these great Gpu's will be out and other official stuff.

Need someone's help.. I'm wanting the new FTW3 for my first computer. I've thought about just going with the FTW2 for now then stepping up to the FTW3. BUT, it sounds like the FTW3 won't be available for the step up program. Do you guys think I should wait for the FTW3 or just get a FTW2 and hope it'll be able to step to a FTW3. I just wanna game! I've been waiting so eagerly to start building my PC... thanks for the help.

Fotis
Would it be safe to assume that 1080ti icx black will be available sooner than the other two models because its basically a reference board with a custom cooler?

lots of times a bunch will come out at the same time. But they could come out separate nobody knows ATM who can talk about it