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2017/09/08 17:59:36 (permalink)
Hi everyone, I'm sure I'm missing something obvious but I have just gotten a new 1080 Ti and am getting only 800,000 PPD when I believe the average is about 1,000,000? Also It looks like the GPU is being limited to 80% load which I assume account's for the 200,000 missing PPD. I do have an old x58 classified with an i7 950 with a slight over clock @ 3.4 GHz so i'm not sure if it's bottle necking it or not but I thought I read in a few different forums about people running these cards in old 1st gen i7's and still getting about the average PPD. I'm sure I'm missing something simple so if someone could point me in a direction I would really appreciate it. I tried googling some things and the best I found was changing the Power management mode in the NVIDIA control panel to prefer maximum performance but that didn't seem to do anything. Again any help is appreciated, Thank you!


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    Re: 800,000 PPD on 1080 Ti 2017/09/08 18:13:00 (permalink)
    I've been getting some really lame WU in the 9400 series that kill my 980 ti output by more than 25%. Perfectly normal situation until they get finished I guess.
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    Re: 800,000 PPD on 1080 Ti 2017/09/08 18:50:28 (permalink)
    power draw will be ~80% under full F@H loads, that's normal. your PPD could be that low because windows may be doing something stupid and not let the GPU turbo up to 2GHz. i would check that first.


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    Re: 800,000 PPD on 1080 Ti 2017/09/08 19:14:54 (permalink)
    Thanks guys, it looks like now ~1,034,000 PPD. Must have been a couple low WU's because now I have a 130,000 point WU so the PPD went up I guess. Was just worried something was wrong and the load is now fluctuating between 85%-91% so it sounds like everything is alright, thanks again!


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    Re: 800,000 PPD on 1080 Ti 2017/09/08 19:34:06 (permalink)
    Check your WU, if you haven't installed hfm.net yet, please do so you can keep track of them :).  I've been getting 9414-9415 a lot in the last few days on my 1080Ti and it has made my 1080Ti perform worse than my 1080's which have been getting 114xx's which have made them go over a million ppd.  Frustrating when the card that is supposed to get 1.2-1.4 million ppd is almost doing half.  ARG.  What the Heck Stanford, seriously.  
     
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    Re: 800,000 PPD on 1080 Ti 2017/09/08 19:35:24 (permalink)
    you got one more year to wait that volta...


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    Re: 800,000 PPD on 1080 Ti 2017/09/13 16:54:26 (permalink)
    Looking forward to seeing what my shiny new 1080ti will do, fold on!

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    Re: 800,000 PPD on 1080 Ti 2017/09/24 09:37:44 (permalink)
    Well over the past 2 weeks now of having this 1080 ti I've been averaging about high 900,000 PPD - low 1,000,000. Isn't the average closer to 1,200,000 - 1,300,000 PPD? Like I said before that I am running it on an old x58 with a i7 950 so i'm not sure if that is to blame or not?


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    Re: 800,000 PPD on 1080 Ti 2017/09/24 10:26:46 (permalink)
    Under Driver 378.92 my 1080 Ti Graphics Cards get between 1,000,000 and 1,200,000 never have see below this.
    900,000PPD you must be getting a lot of P9431 912982.5 (16 WUs) - 1095145.6 (18 WUs)
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    Re: 800,000 PPD on 1080 Ti 2017/09/24 10:32:56 (permalink)
    I'm using 385.41 drivers, would the driver really cause that much of a PPD difference?


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    Re: 800,000 PPD on 1080 Ti 2017/09/24 10:33:15 (permalink)
    Yep!
    And why I use Driver 373.06 on all my cards below the 1080 Ti (Some are running 372.90)
    But PPD means nothing anymore because it only works out if you get the Same Project Each Time.
    This is 3AM 295,035 this is 12pm 479,734 so Points are so far spread it really means nothing for me.
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    Re: 800,000 PPD on 1080 Ti 2017/09/24 10:40:38 (permalink)
    Thanks bcavnaugh I'll try running the 378.92 drivers and see what happens with my PPD. I also will go from WU that estimate credit at 40-60K and ones that are 130-150K .


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    Re: 800,000 PPD on 1080 Ti 2017/09/24 12:33:41 (permalink)
    Mr Hankey946,  I am running 378.92 I have my 1080ti and a 1060 3Gb installed in the system and get
    around 1.3 million a day average.  I am guessing 1 million from 1080ti and 300k from 1060.
     
    I have thought about just folding with the 1080ti for a few days to see where it really stands but just dont want to
    lose the points having the 1060 on standby.
     
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    I have HFM.net installed and dont know enough about excell to work any big formulas but am working on using that to try and seperate out an average PPD for
    each one.
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    Re: 800,000 PPD on 1080 Ti 2017/09/24 12:52:08 (permalink)
    Just ran some numbers for the W/Us i have recorded with HFM,
     
    1080ti average is 1038711 PPD
    1060 3Gb average is 347339 PPD

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    Re: 800,000 PPD on 1080 Ti 2017/09/24 12:58:07 (permalink)
    i have my 5x 1080ti's avg ~1,050k ppd over 3,268 units since August on Windows 10.


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    Re: 800,000 PPD on 1080 Ti 2017/09/24 14:01:33 (permalink)
    I appreciate the info guys. I was mainly getting my info from here
      http://www.overclock.net/t/475163/gpu-projects-ppd-database 
     
    That has the average of the 1080 ti's at 1.4 million and I had seen others claiming around 1.2-3 million like bcavnaugh said, so that Is where my thinking was. Although you all seem to be getting pretty similar PPD as I am. I guess it really is dependent upon which WU you get at any given point?

    I also have just downloaded HFM.net and am going to get that set up at some point but I think I might have to see exactly how that needs to be configured.
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    Re: 800,000 PPD on 1080 Ti 2017/09/24 14:47:58 (permalink)
    Yeah the overclock.net thread cherry picked the best WU (15 samples, come on).  As mentioned in another thread, all I've gotten lately is the crappy 9415 9414 for my 1080Ti, giving it an average of 930k ppd if I am lucky.  I used to average almost 3 million ppd with all 3 of my cards, but since Vorsholk started ramping up his folding farm my score has dropped to about 2.5 million ppd (start of September he brought 80+ 1080 rigs online).  My guess is there are not enough high scoring WU to go around?  Has anyone else noticed their 1080Ti's not getting the "correct" WU?  I find these WU run the same speed on my 1080 as they do on my 1080Ti.  

     

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    Re: 800,000 PPD on 1080 Ti 2017/09/24 16:14:27 (permalink)
    Yah it seems like everyone is in the same boat when it comes to getting crappy WU. Since I changed drivers a few hours ago to the 378.92 drivers I haven't noticed any gain at all and if anything it got a little worse. This is only a few hours of folding so I need to let it average out for a day or so from what I hear. What I wonder is how long can the whole curecoin go on for with all the points and WU they are racking up each day? Is it just a fad or is it here to stay like this for a while?
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    Re: 800,000 PPD on 1080 Ti 2017/09/24 17:29:16 (permalink)
    people said that when it start 4 years ago.


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    Re: 800,000 PPD on 1080 Ti 2017/09/24 18:20:25 (permalink)
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    I appreciate the info guys. I was mainly getting my info from here
      http://www.overclock.net/t/475163/gpu-projects-ppd-database 
     
    That has the average of the 1080 ti's at 1.4 million and I had seen others claiming around 1.2-3 million like bcavnaugh said, so that Is where my thinking was. Although you all seem to be getting pretty similar PPD as I am. I guess it really is dependent upon which WU you get at any given point?

    I also have just downloaded HFM.net and am going to get that set up at some point but I think I might have to see exactly how that needs to be configured.


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    Re: 800,000 PPD on 1080 Ti 2017/09/24 19:56:35 (permalink)
    Says all your cards are offline? Now are using the dropbox method to make this website bcavnaugh?  I saw a tutorial on how to do it, but as I have a couple units that are not at home, I am leary about having dropbox client installed on them and having it screw up everything.  Is there a simple way to handle that or is it just not going to happen haha. 

     

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    Re: 800,000 PPD on 1080 Ti 2017/09/25 09:43:40 (permalink)
    You use one Computer (Running HFM & needs to be On Line) to collect the data so only that One Computer needs access to your remote computers and through IP if you can.
    Then the Computer running HFM would be the only one needed for upload to this Dropbox. Never used it before.
    Time is coming through to turn off my own servers and use the Cloud.
     
    Have a Link to this "I saw a tutorial"?
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    Re: 800,000 PPD on 1080 Ti 2017/09/25 18:42:03 (permalink)
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    Says all your cards are offline? Now are using the dropbox method to make this website bcavnaugh?  I saw a tutorial on how to do it, but as I have a couple units that are not at home, I am leary about having dropbox client installed on them and having it screw up everything.  Is there a simple way to handle that or is it just not going to happen haha. 


    Not off line but not running any WU, I am running some now.
    On dropbox NO, I have my own servers.
    It would help to know what "I saw a tutorial" you are watching?
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    Re: 800,000 PPD on 1080 Ti 2017/09/25 18:46:28 (permalink)
    I have two process that I do.
    One the files are stored on my HD in a Folder that Hosts IIS My HFM 
    Then Second one is a batch file that copies the same files in a Folder on a SharePoint Site. Link
     
    This might be getting a little off Topic so it may be best to post on the Thread I posted above or create a new Thread.
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    Re: 800,000 PPD on 1080 Ti 2017/09/26 02:18:09 (permalink)
    You have a lot of rigs there bcavnaugh, nice!
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    Re: 800,000 PPD on 1080 Ti 2017/09/26 08:04:31 (permalink)
    Thanks
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    Re: 800,000 PPD on 1080 Ti 2017/11/07 03:28:48 (permalink)
    Hi All,
    To start with - Im new to folding. Couple days ago I got second 1080 ti for my computer (first GPU is MSI GTX 1080 ti gaming X, second one is EVGA GTX 1080 ti FTW3). The issue is that my EVGA ussualy is stuck at around 800k PPD while MSI usually gives around 1000k. I know that there are different projects, but I I few times I saw both cards working on same project and MSI is doing more PPD. Any ideas what could be an issue? 
    Both cards: max power, max voltage, core clock +100.
    MSI is on PCIE 16x 3.0 and EVGA is on PCIE 4x 3.0 (bus interface load ~52%).
    Installed 378.92 drivers but its the same results as with the newest ones.
    Couple screenshots (I cant upload URL due to im new member)
     
    Thanks!
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    Re: 800,000 PPD on 1080 Ti 2017/11/07 04:31:36 (permalink)
    Try switching the two cards and see if the Bus Width increase allows for more ppd on the ftw3.

    Also, I hate to say this, but ignore ppd. My two 1080ti’s religiously report 2.2-2.5 million ppd, but usually get 2.05-2.15. It is an exact number, just an estimation. Your best bet is to let both cars run together, and average them out, and also run each card individually, so you can truly see if one is performing lower than the other.
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    Re: 800,000 PPD on 1080 Ti 2017/11/07 05:53:35 (permalink)
    its the PCI-e lanes. once you get to x4 or less you will see performance degradation regardless of what the buss usage says.


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    Re: 800,000 PPD on 1080 Ti 2017/11/07 06:54:12 (permalink)
    Have to agree with Chris.  Folding is very PCIE data dependent.  You need to have that data bandwidth, and he did the tests to prove it.  4x is just killing you productivity, especially in windows.   If you're going to fold with such a system, you're better off doing it in Linux as it doesn't take anywhere as much a hit as windows does (I believe, though I could be wrong as it's early in the morning and I might not be fully awake yet).

     

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