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Have you tried messing with the memory OC some more? Might be your 2125 isn't the best spot stable landing for your memory.
I'm planning to take the card Chilled tonight with my 7960x (not the greatest sample) I'll be able to see how graphics score compares vs my 9900K run with it. See what effect the mesh uArch and 500MHz core disadvantage plays.
What block did you put the KPE to chill?
EKWB Thermosphere. Use the G92 bracket and about 2 layers of Kapton tape on the standoffs to get the proper PCB spacing. Iphone is being stupid ATM. I'll add the pics in a min. hopefully.  And...not sure what's happening here. This appears to be a BBC type forum. But linking to the imgur pic isn't working right.
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Re: Issue with Flashing XOC VBIOS
2019/05/05 12:31:43
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Have you tried messing with the memory OC some more? Might be your 2125 isn't the best spot stable landing for your memory.
I'm planning to take the card Chilled tonight with my 7960x (not the greatest sample) I'll be able to see how graphics score compares vs my 9900K run with it. See what effect the mesh uArch and 500MHz core disadvantage plays.
What block did you put the KPE to chill?
EKWB Thermosphere. Use the G92 bracket and about 2 layers of Kapton tape on the standoffs to get the proper PCB spacing.
Iphone is being stupid ATM. I'll add the pics in a min. hopefully. And...not sure what's happening here. This appears to be a BBC type forum. But linking to the imgur pic isn't working right.
I can see it, but I have to open it in a new tab. Where did you get that block at?
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Re: Issue with Flashing XOC VBIOS
2019/05/05 12:38:41
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Have you tried messing with the memory OC some more? Might be your 2125 isn't the best spot stable landing for your memory.
I'm planning to take the card Chilled tonight with my 7960x (not the greatest sample) I'll be able to see how graphics score compares vs my 9900K run with it. See what effect the mesh uArch and 500MHz core disadvantage plays.
What block did you put the KPE to chill?
EKWB Thermosphere. Use the G92 bracket and about 2 layers of Kapton tape on the standoffs to get the proper PCB spacing.
Iphone is being stupid ATM. I'll add the pics in a min. hopefully. And...not sure what's happening here. This appears to be a BBC type forum. But linking to the imgur pic isn't working right.
See Instructions inserting Pictureshttps://imgur.com/RcCoDjp will not work but this will work https://i.imgur.com/RcCoDjp.jpghttps://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-thermosphereBummer it is not covering the Memory. But also the Memory on top is not covered with anything and this memory gets the Hottest.    EK-Thermosphere Mounting Plate G92 https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-thermosphere-mounting-plate-g92Optional mounting plate for EK-Thermosphere series water block for graphics card with mounting pattern of 53 x 53mm (i.e. AMD Radeon HD 3800, -4800, -5800, -6800, -6900, -7800 as well as R9 270(X) series). PLEASE NOTE: - Ready for use with modern NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 900, 700 and 600 series graphics cards. To use this product with other graphics cards it is mandatory to purchase additional mounting plates!
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Re: Issue with Flashing XOC VBIOS
2019/05/05 12:42:09
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It's an EKWB Thermosphere. Their newer universal VGA waterblock. You would have to buy the G92 bracket separately. https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-thermosphere There's an older version called the Supremacy VGA that works...slightly better fitment wise. But I'm still lapping that one flat. https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-vga-supremacy You'll also want some thermal tape to attach smaller heatsinks to the VRAM. The Thermalsphere actually blocks the top one. They run hotter than the other 2 sets. Supremacy would be the better choice as it's more universal and the RAM area is more open for direct airflow from a fan.
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Re: Issue with Flashing XOC VBIOS
2019/05/05 12:43:21
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Thanks. I'll give that a try. Worked. Thought I tried that link from imgur...oh well. Now I know.
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Re: Issue with Flashing XOC VBIOS
2019/05/05 12:49:27
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Good to see my idea that, that ek universal block would and even nailed that other adapter for it hehe. After thinking about the memory being blocked I decided against it. You could'nt keep the hybrid memory plate attached to help cool the ram? Or you did and just added small heatsinks on top of the plate? I have a few old swiftech mcw60 universal GPU blocks I could attempt to use but the baseplate is much smaller and I'm afraid it wouldn't cover the full die. If it was flush like the supremacy block I'd prob of already attempted it. I have plenty of old small copper heatsinks around for the memory. edit Cool GTX combine two serial posts to one
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Re: Issue with Flashing XOC VBIOS
2019/05/05 12:57:08
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No. The memory plate won't work with any universal block. It protrudes above the GPU Frame. The AIO has a relief cut out to make room. The universal blocks don't fit in the area. The ICX numbers with a 1.465v FBVVD applied was: 43-48C top row. 37C side row. 32-34C bottom row. The Supremacy EVO should make this much better as it doesn't cover the top row of IC's as bad. With the AIO when it was 45F outside: hottest reported Memory IC was 36-39C. So the AIO plate works well. EDIT: with the GDDR6 being much closer to the Die; the thermalsphere bottom plate (the metal frame everything attaches to) actually overhangs the Memory ICs a small amount. Enough that you can not easily mount the small heatsinks and just out the block on. You need to apply thermal tape, then mount the top row of heatsinks checking for clearance, then fit the block. and apply the other sets of heatsinks. It's due to the tight fitment on the side and bottom.
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Re: Issue with Flashing XOC VBIOS
2019/05/05 14:23:52
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Were you able to just use a fat thermal pad on the top row of memory chips so it touches the block?
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Re: Issue with Flashing XOC VBIOS
2019/05/05 14:56:15
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Were you able to just use a fat thermal pad on the top row of memory chips so it touches the block?
Haven't tried yet...but it's quite possible. I'd need to measure it with the dial calipers to see what thickness would be needed. BUT based on Mark 1 Eyeballs...I'd say it would need a 5mm thick pad. Not sure that would cool worth a damn. Other method would be to use thinner 0.5mm thermal pads and use a 4mm or so copper spacer. Neither is all that great of a solution.
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Re: Issue with Flashing XOC VBIOS
2019/05/06 09:27:32
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https://xdevs.com/guide/2080ti_kpe/ (excerpt) Mount hole locations on RTX 2080 Ti are slightly different than previous generation 1080 Ti and earlier NV cards. Keep that in mind when using legacy coolers. Kingpin 2080 Ti however follows same dimensions and GPU location as reference card.  Reason for hole location change on RTX is due to memory routing challenges. To reach high speeds new GDDR6 layout for memory IC had to be relocated much closer to GPU than previous generation graphics cards with GDDR5X and GDDR5.
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Re: Issue with Flashing XOC VBIOS
2019/05/06 14:23:05
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Very nice.
I thought about this as well and had some left over vrm/vram heatsinks but not near as skilled as you so was probably best to just learn the KPE characteristics on ambient and then sub ambient the Hydro Copper. Sure is painful waiting though.
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Re: Issue with Flashing XOC VBIOS
2019/05/06 22:48:09
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The STOCK AIO is VERY VERY strong. With cold outside air temps, I did run 1 GT1 FS pass at 2310. Just barely passed and crashed at everything else. It was a 1 time run it seems.
I did get GT1/2 to pass at 2295 but it failed at Combined. Too much heat build up.
I have a couple full passes at 2280MHz for FireStrike with the stock AIO at 43-45F outside temps. (6-7C).
At higher ambient temps (22C room temperature) was only able to get 2265 working.
I'm doing the universal block as I'm going to chill the GPU core. Should get it to do 2310 full runs at -5C to 2C fluid temps. Will have to see how well the chiller/thermal mass holds. I use a 56L Cooler as my thermal mass.
Once that's done...time for DICE then LN2. Hoping to build up a good amount of information across multiple cooling types.
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Re: Issue with Flashing XOC VBIOS
2019/05/07 00:13:52
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That's the spirit! Just be careful with cold temperatures and AIO, liquid inside the Asetek cooler is not designed to handle subzero temperatures, so it may freeze up and rip seals apart if you go too cold. I'd say skip the DICE and that nasty acetone/alcohol mess, go right to LN2 :)
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Re: Issue with Flashing XOC VBIOS
2019/05/07 01:08:54
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Very fair and good points. Most AIO's are design with a Glychol mixture to handle transportation temps as cold as -15 to -20C but they're not made for constant operation that cold. Down to Zero (0C/32F) would be my personal limit. Passed that point the Asetek Pump may consume too much current. As for not going straight to LN2: #1) Air Gas has been pissing me off lately. I need to find another branch as they're trying to price gouge me. That or maybe Praxair and Natwahl here can be much cheaper. I have 3 Dewars. 20L, 35l and a 47L. Trying to figure out a good way to just order a 180L. Most places in the USA will not deliver to Residental addresses. #2.) building up some information and a how to guide for others. Working thru different levels and types of OC and XOC. #3.) with DICE I can literally drive 5 min down the road and pick up 20-30 lbs. or if I'm super lazy. I can order some from HEB for curbside pickup and have an Uber deliver it. Lol
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Re: Issue with Flashing XOC VBIOS
2019/05/07 01:13:05
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Nice before full cover waterblock arrive.
Investment in waterblock for 1700$ worth card is smart choice.
I used GTX780Ti K|NGP|N little less than 5 years and I would keep same GPU several months more or even year with full cover block.
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Re: Issue with Flashing XOC VBIOS
2019/05/07 01:23:40
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Going to the Dew point and colder with a full block carries its own risk as it's difficult to properly insulate and condensate proof. You can do it. I've done it. It just carries risk with it.
So long as you are aware of that point and properly dress the card and block and motherboard area: it does work. Mainly need to stuff/fill as much of the Air Gap as possible. As air is where the condensation comes from.
Universal blocks are easier to prep for going cold. And there's no waiting for full blocks.
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Re: Issue with Flashing XOC VBIOS
2019/05/07 07:46:28
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Re: Issue with Flashing XOC VBIOS
2019/05/07 13:27:57
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Soon. TM....Busy with some other stuff...might have found a place to get LN2 at a good price and a fairly cheap Large tank rental as well. $55 for a 165L + LN2 at $1.30 a L.
I'll finish up the EKWB Thermosphere fitment. Then once I finish lapping the Supremacy VGA, I'll measure and snap some pics as well.
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Re: Issue with Flashing XOC VBIOS
2019/05/08 14:21:24
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@richiec77 Do you think its easier to "condensate proof" a with a full block on the 2080 ti or something like an EK uni-thermosphere? I usually just use 
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Re: Issue with Flashing XOC VBIOS
2019/05/08 18:36:27
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Caveat Emptor!
Nothing beats good old greasy Vaseline. Condensate can be trapped under LET, causing even more PCB damage than it is normally w/o any coating.
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Re: Issue with Flashing XOC VBIOS
2019/05/08 19:20:34
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Caveat Emptor!
Nothing beats good old greasy Vaseline. Condensate can be trapped under LET, causing even more PCB damage than it is normally w/o any coating.
Your Recommended Coating.....
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Re: Issue with Flashing XOC VBIOS
2019/05/08 19:54:12
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Caveat Emptor!
Nothing beats good old greasy Vaseline. Condensate can be trapped under LET, causing even more PCB damage than it is normally w/o any coating.
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Re: Issue with Flashing XOC VBIOS
2019/05/08 21:12:50
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Great point on the AIO temps. I definitely wouldn't have thought of that this winter.
The stock cooler is quite strong, agreeing with whoever said it. This thing was 2050mhz plug and play and silent haha
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Re: Issue with Flashing XOC VBIOS
2019/05/09 14:33:22
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@TiN Thanks. Always problems with clean-up. Used to have access to an ultrasonic cleaner- A smaller one. Would not work for MB's but not any more. For Vaseline cleanup on KPE and Z390 Dark is this ok?  conscientia
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Re: Issue with Flashing XOC VBIOS
2019/05/09 18:18:40
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Not sure, never use this particular one. Vaseline can be removed easily with IPA, that's what we use in lab.
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Re: Issue with Flashing XOC VBIOS
2019/05/09 19:48:06
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Re: Issue with Flashing XOC VBIOS
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☄ Helpfulby TiN_EE 2019/05/09 23:10:48
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Thanks. Always problems with clean-up. Used to have access to an ultrasonic cleaner- A smaller one. Would not work for MB's but not any more. For Vaseline cleanup on KPE and Z390 Dark is this ok?
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You have to be careful with electrical cleaners. Some are very hard on plastics and will cause plastic to melt or crack. Test on a variety of spare plastics before use. For instance, I know from experience that LPS Electra-X attacks plastic like crazy. So much so that LPS sells a different electrical cleaner product which is specifically plastic safe. I don't know about the one you asked about. It's worth asking the manufacturer. Edit : Sorry, I am using my phone. I zoomed in on the picture of the can you posted, and it says "plastic safe". Good.
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Re: Issue with Flashing XOC VBIOS
2019/05/10 11:24:58
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@ ty_ger0 ya thank you for weighing in. Much appreciated. I have been using the one from CRC that states its plastic safe but the resolution of the image I posted was low sorry. @bcav ya its like 12$ a can the one you linked. I have tried IPA in the plastic container format and always get foam and or shop towel pieces every where. Maybe ill try a tooth brush or a paint brush? Tried microfiber cloth and that was a NOGO. Probably take me 4 cans if I lube up a z390 dark and the KPE. 48$ to clean the boards. I might need to buy an ultrasonic at that point. ROI in like 1 year with all the boards and components I want to test in chilled and subzero environmental conditions.
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Re: Issue with Flashing XOC VBIOS
2019/05/11 11:12:46
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I use Vaseline as I can always clean the boards. If you don't have a Ultrasonic cleaner: very hot water can remove most of the Vaseline. Then use ISO to remove any spots. You can then just use Contact Cleaner (plastic safe) for the PCIE, Memory and CPU slots/sockets.
I have a 28KHz/40KHz Ultrasonic cleaner that can fit E-ATX boards without the basket and regular ATX boards with the basket. I use Branson EC and DI water. ISO dunk in a pan after coming out of the bath to displace any excess water. Then back in a end small oven I have for 1 hour at 70C. Then I let it sit for 2-3 days before applying electricity again. If it's a heavy layer of Vaseline: I just remove most of the excess over the Sink in the garage with Hot water. Then put it in the Ultrasonic.
I have used both EC cleaners pictured here. The CRC and Techspray (CRC most automotive stores carry it, Techspray Fry's tends to carry)
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