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2021/03/04 15:15:18 (permalink)
Let's get this party started.
 
10240 CUDA cores
12GB GDDR6X 384-bit
gimped from ETH mining
$999
April?
 
sounds great :) 95% 3090 performance with half the VRAM.
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    Re: 3080 Ti rumor thread 2021/03/04 15:41:54 (permalink)
    Ya ok been waiting since Sept 26th for notify on 3080FTW .If I do get one I will sell if this is true about the 3080TI been mining gimped.Praying to the gaming God.
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    Re: 3080 Ti rumor thread 2021/03/04 17:19:18 (permalink)
    It just occurred to me that 12gb would put all the modules under the heat sink so that should help with vram temps vs 24gb with half the modules just thermal padded to a metal backplate.
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    Re: 3080 Ti rumor thread 2021/03/04 18:02:45 (permalink)
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    It just occurred to me that 12gb would put all the modules under the heat sink so that should help with vram temps vs 24gb with half the modules just thermal padded to a metal backplate.


    yes indeed.
     
    20GB would have the same, as they would use 2GB modules instead of 1GB, like what they did to get 12GB on the 3060.
     
    but i think 12GB with a wider 384-bit bus is a better move than 20GB at the same 320-bit bus. more realistic performance gains than just increased VRAM size
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    Re: 3080 Ti rumor thread 2021/03/04 20:25:42 (permalink)
    I would buy one.....
    if I could


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    Re: 3080 Ti rumor thread 2021/03/05 04:17:54 (permalink)
    Ive saved the extra while waiting and a 3090 was just unnecessary for only games- 3080Ti is the one for me, i just hope i can get hold of one from the lovely people at EVGA before they all fly off the shelves and i dont have to wait till 2022 
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    Re: 3080 Ti rumor thread 2021/03/05 12:27:27 (permalink)
    Before someone says that the 3080ti will perform better than the 3090 because more power is allocated to the core rather than the 12 extra gb of vram, micron specs show very little power usage difference between the 3080 and 3090 even with the large disparity in total vram because it's based more on bits transferred, not the total amount of vram on the card.

    The 3090's 24 19.5Gbps GDDR6X modules are rated for 54W (7.25 pJ/bit * 384 bits wide * 19.5 Gbps / 1000 = 55.288W).

    The 3080's 10 19Gbps GDDR6X modules are rated for 44W (7.25 pJ/bit * 320 bits wide * 19 Gbps / 1000 = 44.080W).

    So I guess you can assume less than 10 extra watts for the core for the 3080ti? Pretty insignificant. I do like the idea of not having to worry about cooling vram on the backside of a card. But it seems like many have already taken measures to properly cool the 3090 backplate.

    The price was never going to be $999, even before the mining craze. The 2080ti was $1200, and the 3080ti will be as well.
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    Re: 3080 Ti rumor thread 2021/03/05 12:42:14 (permalink)
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    Re: 3080 Ti rumor thread 2021/03/05 13:14:17 (permalink)
    so soon ?

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    Re: 3080 Ti rumor thread 2021/03/05 13:27:44 (permalink)
    Here's what I'm saying. You have a product you cannot keep on the shelves, selling out world wide. Board meeting, lets produce a new product to up sales.
     
    They won't release a product, regardless of what the competition has, if they're stuff is selling like hot cakes.
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    Re: 3080 Ti rumor thread 2021/03/05 13:40:10 (permalink)
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    Here's what I'm saying. You have a product you cannot keep on the shelves, selling out world wide. Board meeting, lets produce a new product to up sales.
     
    They won't release a product, regardless of what the competition has, if they're stuff is selling like hot cakes.



    Maybe...but it depends on the margins. I think the memory pricing will be a huge factor. If they can sell a chip that didn't quite make it as a 3090 (but really close) while saving a good chunk of money on memory and that gives them a better margin on the Ti than the 3080 vanilla, they're absolutely going to do it. Especially if it gives them the ability to say it's better per/price than AMD's offerings. I think this is why the original rumors were 20GB and that got dialed back (the memory was too expensive at that price that there was no margin left to offer this at a price people would buy it over the 3090).


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    Re: 3080 Ti rumor thread 2021/03/05 13:43:32 (permalink)
    IF i was living in CA, I would go to EVGA HQ, with cash at hand when the truck is unloading the GPUs

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    Re: 3080 Ti rumor thread 2021/03/05 13:59:37 (permalink)
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    Here's what I'm saying. You have a product you cannot keep on the shelves, selling out world wide. Board meeting, lets produce a new product to up sales.
     
    They won't release a product, regardless of what the competition has, if they're stuff is selling like hot cakes.



    Maybe...but it depends on the margins. I think the memory pricing will be a huge factor. If they can sell a chip that didn't quite make it as a 3090 (but really close) while saving a good chunk of money on memory and that gives them a better margin on the Ti than the 3080 vanilla, they're absolutely going to do it. Especially if it gives them the ability to say it's better per/price than AMD's offerings. I think this is why the original rumors were 20GB and that got dialed back (the memory was too expensive at that price that there was no margin left to offer this at a price people would buy it over the 3090).




    Or you could just sell them as 3080's with no product development whatsoever  and just keep raking it in... Off the top of my head, the earliest a new product was ever introduced I believe was 8 months on Nvidia products, so this would set a new record when there is no need for it. And that was the release between the 1080 and the 1080ti. Oh and they had 1080's on the shelves world wide too... when the 1080ti came out.
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    Re: 3080 Ti rumor thread 2021/03/05 14:23:13 (permalink)
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    Here's what I'm saying. You have a product you cannot keep on the shelves, selling out world wide. Board meeting, lets produce a new product to up sales.
     
    They won't release a product, regardless of what the competition has, if they're stuff is selling like hot cakes.



    Maybe...but it depends on the margins. I think the memory pricing will be a huge factor. If they can sell a chip that didn't quite make it as a 3090 (but really close) while saving a good chunk of money on memory and that gives them a better margin on the Ti than the 3080 vanilla, they're absolutely going to do it. Especially if it gives them the ability to say it's better per/price than AMD's offerings. I think this is why the original rumors were 20GB and that got dialed back (the memory was too expensive at that price that there was no margin left to offer this at a price people would buy it over the 3090).




    Or you could just sell them as 3080's with no product development whatsoever  and just keep raking it in... Off the top of my head, the earliest a new product was ever introduced I believe was 8 months on Nvidia products, so this would set a new record when there is no need for it. And that was the release between the 1080 and the 1080ti. Oh and they had 1080's on the shelves world wide too... when the 1080ti came out.




    I mean...as an engineer who develops products, I'm not going to argue with your point as I agree with it lol. I will say that I think they had already been tinkering with this and had the development done. Also, they released the 3060ti before the 3060 this time. I don't know that I'd think of this ti as the same as prior ones. I don't think you're wrong, but I think it's possible they still do it. People are already mad they can't get cards and this won't help most people, but I think the amount of negative publicity would be easily negated by their improved sales margins if the pricing is right for them. That's my only small point there lol. they can weigh how much it will cost to generate all the documentation that comes with an additional sku, added inventory lines, etc. and then the marketing spin and what the long term effects will be on whether or not they put a sku in the middle of the 3080 and 3090. If 6-8 months from now, production improves and this helps them be more competitive at different price levels, it may have been worth it. In the meantime, it will prolong how long it takes people to get 3080s as some of their chips will go to these (all being GA102 based). So, you win some you lose some. Without seeing the numbers, I can only project that I think it's possible the pros outweigh the cons from a marketing and profit perspective for them and then we'll see the card. If not, for the very valid reasons you've suggested, we won't. *shrugs*


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    Re: 3080 Ti rumor thread 2021/03/05 14:27:29 (permalink)
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    Here's what I'm saying. You have a product you cannot keep on the shelves, selling out world wide. Board meeting, lets produce a new product to up sales.
     
    They won't release a product, regardless of what the competition has, if they're stuff is selling like hot cakes.




    100% agree with this. There's absolutely zero incentive for them to produce another card under current circumstances. They're selling the current cards as fast as they can make them. It wouldn't be inexpensive for them to set up another production line, marketing, etc, as well as taking away production from other models. I don't see them doing this anytime soon. Probably very late this year or next year at the earliest.
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    Re: 3080 Ti rumor thread 2021/03/05 20:02:05 (permalink)
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    Here's what I'm saying. You have a product you cannot keep on the shelves, selling out world wide. Board meeting, lets produce a new product to up sales.
     
    They won't release a product, regardless of what the competition has, if they're stuff is selling like hot cakes.




    100% agree with this. There's absolutely zero incentive for them to produce another card under current circumstances. They're selling the current cards as fast as they can make them. It wouldn't be inexpensive for them to set up another production line, marketing, etc, as well as taking away production from other models. I don't see them doing this anytime soon. Probably very late this year or next year at the earliest.


    That might be true if the product wasn't in the pipe long ago.  I have a feeling we'll not be seeing any more 3080s.  Why produce the 3080 if they can just turn them into TIs and sell all of them for more profit.  Look at AMD, they've been producing more 5800x CPUs than anything -- it's also their highest margin product.  Expect full-on self-serving practices from manufacturers until this demand wave ceases.  Besides, once the mining  boom is over, everyone is getting cards on the cheap :)


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    Re: 3080 Ti rumor thread 2021/03/06 05:53:51 (permalink)
    Right now both AMD and NVIDIA have troubles producing enough video cards from the SKUs that are available. Personally and in my own opinion I don't see an RTX 3080ti happening anytime soon. Maybe mid-year if at all. 

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    Re: 3080 Ti rumor thread 2021/03/06 07:07:23 (permalink)
    Always funny that people are always claiming the 3080 Ti is coming soon. They've been saying that since the 3080 launch! It just doesn't fit into the product stack until the demand for 3080/3090s dies down.


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    Re: 3080 Ti rumor thread 2021/03/06 10:41:27 (permalink)
    Nvidia is not scaping, they are getting the same for unit of gpu they would make if there was no shortage. Making a 3080ti would get them more money. It's probably just a binned 3080 with higher power limits.
     
    You are thinking as a buyer.

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    Re: 3080 Ti rumor thread 2021/03/06 10:58:32 (permalink)
    agreed.  EVGA will be making more profit per unit, selling 3080ti instead of 3080.  Looking at the history of the queue movement, the most expensive variants of same sku move the fastest.
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    Re: 3080 Ti rumor thread 2021/03/06 12:23:18 (permalink)
    If I wasn't in a good queue spot for a 3090, I would wait and see if an April-May 3080 Ti launch materializes. However, considering current market conditions, and the chances of getting a 3080 Ti at launch anywhere near MSRP... Yeah, I think I'm just gonna bite the bullet and spend the additional $300-$500 on the 3090 and call it a day. It sucks that it comes down to that, but it is what it is. The way things are looking, it wouldn't really surprise me if retail pricing of the 3080 Ti FTW 6 months from now is only around $200-$250 cheaper than the current retail pricing of the 3090 FTW. Hopefully not, and supply becomes adequate and pricing returns to some semblance of normalcy, but I wouldn't hold my breath.


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    Re: 3080 Ti rumor thread 2021/03/06 12:30:33 (permalink)
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    If I wasn't in a good queue spot for a 3090, I would wait and see if an April-May 3080 Ti launch materializes. However, considering current market conditions, and the chances of getting a 3080 Ti at launch anywhere near MSRP... Yeah, I think I'm just gonna bite the bullet and spend the additional $300-$500 on the 3090 and call it a day. It sucks that it comes down to that, but it is what it is. The way things are looking, it wouldn't really surprise me if retail pricing of the 3080 Ti FTW 6 months from now is only around $200-$250 cheaper than the current retail pricing of the 3090 FTW. Hopefully not, and supply becomes adequate and pricing returns to some semblance of normalcy, but I wouldn't hold my breath.


    There's a 2 letter OEM out there that will sell you a full desktop machine for $24xx complete w/ 3090, water cooled CPU, and decent other options shipped in 3 weeks....
     
    They've sold me several similar systems with 3070s for less than 3070s are going for on scalpBay


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    Re: 3080 Ti rumor thread 2021/03/06 13:23:50 (permalink)
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    If I wasn't in a good queue spot for a 3090, I would wait and see if an April-May 3080 Ti launch materializes. However, considering current market conditions, and the chances of getting a 3080 Ti at launch anywhere near MSRP... Yeah, I think I'm just gonna bite the bullet and spend the additional $300-$500 on the 3090 and call it a day. It sucks that it comes down to that, but it is what it is. The way things are looking, it wouldn't really surprise me if retail pricing of the 3080 Ti FTW 6 months from now is only around $200-$250 cheaper than the current retail pricing of the 3090 FTW. Hopefully not, and supply becomes adequate and pricing returns to some semblance of normalcy, but I wouldn't hold my breath.


    There's a 2 letter OEM out there that will sell you a full desktop machine for $24xx complete w/ 3090, water cooled CPU, and decent other options shipped in 3 weeks....
     
    They've sold me several similar systems with 3070s for less than 3070s are going for on scalpBay




    That sounds like a really great deal, and under different circumstances I would probably go for it. But yeah, I've got some EVGA bucks saved up, a really good spot in the Kingpin queue, and not so good spots in any of the other 3080 or 3090 queues. So, basically I've been doing all sorts of mental gymnastics to justify going full retard on the 3090 KP, i.e. "It would cost me less than
     
    a 3080 on eBay", or "The 3090 FTW3's RMA rate is ridiculous, and the KP is only $200 more, so might as well...", or "I usually upgrade my GPU every 3-4 years, and I'm not so sure the 3080's 10GB's of VRAM will be enough in a few years." etc. etc...


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    Re: 3080 Ti rumor thread 2021/03/06 14:04:56 (permalink)
    lucidworld
     
     
    That sounds like a really great deal, and under different circumstances I would probably go for it. But yeah, I've got some EVGA bucks saved up, a really good spot in the Kingpin queue, and not so good spots in any of the other 3080 or 3090 queues. So, basically I've been doing all sorts of mental gymnastics to justify going full retard on the 3090 KP, i.e. "It would cost me less than
     
    a 3080 on eBay", or "The 3090 FTW3's RMA rate is ridiculous, and the KP is only $200 more, so might as well...", or "I usually upgrade my GPU every 3-4 years, and I'm not so sure the 3080's 10GB's of VRAM will be enough in a few years." etc. etc...


    I'm on 1440 ultra wide so I have no concerns regarding GPU mem (and will remain on ultra wide from here on).  Full on 4k won't fill up the 10GB as it is. With the new SAM features with GPU being able to pull from storage at rated speeds (5-7GB/s), 10GB will be plenty for the foreseeable future.  I try to get new GPUs on launch with a checkout bot and sell the old one while they're still fetching a premium.  Shoot I sold a 2070s and 1660ti while replacing it with a 3080 and 3070..... and I was basically out of pocket ~$150.  


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    Re: 3080 Ti rumor thread 2021/03/06 14:56:15 (permalink)
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    I'm on 1440 ultra wide so I have no concerns regarding GPU mem (and will remain on ultra wide from here on).  Full on 4k won't fill up the 10GB as it is. With the new SAM features with GPU being able to pull from storage at rated speeds (5-7GB/s), 10GB will be plenty for the foreseeable future.  I try to get new GPUs on launch with a checkout bot and sell the old one while they're still fetching a premium.  Shoot I sold a 2070s and 1660ti while replacing it with a 3080 and 3070..... and I was basically out of pocket ~$150.  




    I'm on 1440p Ultrawide as well (AW3418DW), so 10GB's of VRAM is definitely not an issue. I'm just looking for excuses to pull the trigger on the KP card...lol... Under normal circumstances, I would just buy a 3080 FTW3 Hybrid. It's the perfect card for my use case.
     
    As for you replacing your 2070S and 1660 Ti for a 3080 and 3070 minus $150, good stuff I could probably sell my 2080 FTW3 Hybrid right now and get around $750-$800 for it, almost enough for a 3080 at MSRP. I was gonna sell it right when the 3000 series cards first came out, but I'm really glad I didn't. All those poor souls who sold their 2080 Ti's for $500...


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    Re: 3080 Ti rumor thread 2021/03/07 09:54:22 (permalink)
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    The price was never going to be $999, even before the mining craze. The 2080ti was $1200, and the 3080ti will be as well.



    could be. GDDR6X is epensive though, so with only using 12 modules on the 3080ti vs 24 on the 3090, they can save a bunch of cash to hit the $999 price point.
     
    the 2080ti was $1200 in an era of higher retail prices and less competition. and the jump to a Titan RTX was a steep increase to $2500.
     
    everyone wants to compare the 3090 to being this gen's "Titan", and a price gap of 999 to 1499 makes sense if you look at it in that context with a similar performance disparity between the two models (half the ram, and 95% core performance)
     
    and i fail to see the logic of the "why release a new chip when theres no demand for more?". who's to say there isnt? there's clearly demand for basically anything people can get their hands on. the 3060 is proof of that, being a totally unremarkable card. the counter argument is clearly "why would they keep cutting down failed 3090 chips to 3080 specs if they can cut down to 3080ti specs and charge more for it?" that would be a missed opportunity for nvidia to throw away potential earnings. they don't need to start a new fab from scratch, just trim off less for those chips that can be used in this way.
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    Re: 3080 Ti rumor thread 2021/03/07 10:35:15 (permalink)
    Do you have any idea what percentage of GA102s would make for 3080 Tis instead of 3080s?  According to techpowerup the 3080 Ti specs are closer to a 3090. So my guess it's rather small... so extra profit from a small percentage of a small number of chips going through production = negligible when factoring in costs. The reality is they need either more supply, less demand, or both before they will consider a 3080 Ti.


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    Re: 3080 Ti rumor thread 2021/03/07 10:37:13 (permalink)
    I'm considering waiting out at microcenter again overnight for it if it comes out. I did that for my 3080 and managed to get one on release, have since slapped the evga hybrid kit on it. I'd either just sell the old 3080 for a markup or mine it to death if I get a ti
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    Re: 3080 Ti rumor thread 2021/03/07 10:44:55 (permalink)
    Nice, I don't even have physical stores that carry hardware where I am. Also mining is best at low temps and power ;)


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    Re: 3080 Ti rumor thread 2021/03/07 11:14:46 (permalink)
    Shikhee
    I'm considering waiting out at microcenter again overnight for it if it comes out. I did that for my 3080 and managed to get one on release, have since slapped the evga hybrid kit on it. I'd either just sell the old 3080 for a markup or mine it to death if I get a ti


    now that the notification queue is well established, it seems like the best bet to get a new card. and doesn't require me to camp out.
     
    I only tried the queue at launch for the 3070 and the 3060, and was successful both times.
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