I have to say just looking at the pricing vs performance structure, I feel the 3080Ti is going to be a loser.

Look at the 3090 ($1499) vs 3080 ($699). 


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So 12% performance improvement for 114% more money.

So lets guess at the 3080Ti  some say 95% of the 3090.  My guess, due to the memory configuration, is it will be about 3% difference, and at $999 (and the card will be gimped on mining so don't think about making any of that extra cost back with it.)

So that will be a 9% improvement for 43% more money.

The 3080Ti will be the humble brag flex card.  Definitely not worth the coin over a 3080 but makes the 3090 just look silly and in no way needed for anything in the immediate future. 

(I used FE pricing as with AIB markups and tariffs it is impossible to know what the final pricing will be.  Plus people showing they are willing to pay the scalper pricing for 3080s I feel $999 may be a lowball for the 3080Ti FE estimate.)

I could live with a 3080 ti at 1k.

thomasrcash
I have to say just looking at the pricing vs performance structure, I feel the 3080Ti is going to be a loser.

Look at the 3090 ($1499) vs 3080 ($699). 


(Insert auto-moderated YouTube links here showing game play comparisons)

So 12% performance improvement for 114% more money.

So lets guess at the 3080Ti  some say 95% of the 3090.  My guess, due to the memory configuration, is it will be about 3% difference, and at $999 (and the card will be gimped on mining so don't think about making any of that extra cost back with it.)

So that will be a 9% improvement for 43% more money.

The 3080Ti will be the humble brag flex card.  Definitely not worth the coin over a 3080 but makes the 3090 just look silly and in no way needed for anything in the immediate future. 

(I used FE pricing as with AIB markups and tariffs it is impossible to know what the final pricing will be.  Plus people showing they are willing to pay the scalper pricing for 3080s I feel $999 may be a lowball for the 3080Ti FE estimate.)

Wait, I thought the 3080ti was supposed to be a 3090 with less memory and thus cheaper. That's something I would buy. 

10GB to 12GB is less about the extra 2GB (which doesnt matter much) and more about the increased memory bus width by doing so. the increased memory bandwidth has real performance benefits for games as well as some compute applications. they can't increase mem bandwidth without adding more modules. so to get from the 3080's 320-bit to the proposed 384-bit, they need to add 2 more modules.
 
there's not a huge performance gap between the 3080 and 3090, but there's a huge price/market gap between the 3080 and 3090, making it make sense to target a product in the ~$1000 range. Nvidia loves competing at every price tier.

homestyle
If the 3080ti will "only" have 12gb ram, then the 3090 and 3080 will still be relevant.
 
You might as well try to get a 3080 with 10gb instead of going with the 3080ti for 12gb because that extra 2gb will hardly ever be felt except for that random game that unnecessarily increases textures (like RE2 remake).
 
 

So far I have not found a game that needed more than the 10 GB, for what it is worth ....

I sure hope the 3080 TI 20GB rumor returns. 12GB is a weird number.

slaywhitey1326
It makes the most sense imo. Iirc there are two unpopulated memory slots on the current 3080 board. So to avoid sticking memory on the back of the card, you just use up those two free memory spots which is more than enough for any 4k title.

And it allows the memory bus to expand from 320-bit to 384-bit. That's where some of the speed bump will come from.
 
Still a loser of a Ti, IMHO. All of the previous Ti's offered 20%+ bump...this is gonna be 3-5%.

gsrcrxsi

z1nonly
It just occurred to me that 12gb would put all the modules under the heat sink so that should help with vram temps vs 24gb with half the modules just thermal padded to a metal backplate.

yes indeed.
 
20GB would have the same, as they would use 2GB modules instead of 1GB, like what they did to get 12GB on the 3060.
 
but i think 12GB with a wider 384-bit bus is a better move than 20GB at the same 320-bit bus. more realistic performance gains than just increased VRAM size

Not sure if that logic would play out as the lower end SKU has GDDR6 (3060) and the 3080ti will have GDDR6X. Not sure if those could be had in 2GB modules.
 
edit: Well maybe they will at some point this year https://overclock3d.net/n...d_their_future_plans/1

 Ampere Ti card on the TSMC 5nano wafer only. That card would be the beast and right direction for Nvidia (run away from Samsung).
 
Anything else is just a senseless manufactory (outdated) resources waste and wouldn't worth to buy.
 
 

phroze
 
I hate to say it but if they were to move back to TSMC at this point, I think the shortages would be much worse. Once they get a fab setup stateside that would be a great plan. Takes years to get that up and operational though.

Leaving TSMC hurt Nvidia on the very long run.  Leather jacket should be arse pedaled from CEO position for such a destructive move.
 
On the other side I think it is time to return strategic cutting edge technology production back to USA.
Greed and ultra profit migrated manufacturing process to Asia, and now we pay the price.