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2021/10/16 14:43:58 (permalink)
Hi I took my card apart and to my surprise I saw something that made me think it's really not normal. looked at the LR22 chip one of those is much higher than all the others and I think the waterblock hurts this job because of that.
 




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My GPU is mounted at 90 degree ingame with a memory Junction temperature at 96 and the hot spot temp at 105 degree see image from Hwinfo

 
 
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    Re: 3080 TI FFTW3 ULTRA Factory Problem ? 2021/10/16 14:56:04 (permalink)
    I see what you asking about ... no idea about the factory specs
     
    Maybe it is not sitting flat ... when surface soldered ?
     
     
    precision straightedge & feeler gauges - & determine the difference
     
     
    what thickness is the thermal pad in that area ? the pads are gap filling ... but only to a point
     
    Maybe use plastigauge to see what the contact is like .... usually used for engine building ... I find it handy for other tasks also

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    Re: 3080 TI FFTW3 ULTRA Factory Problem ? 2021/10/16 16:35:02 (permalink)
    I doubt that one single LR22 choke is causing a bad mount like you are experiencing. The thermal pad compresses when installed properly, and makes the contact even between all of the components.

    The reason I say that one inductor is unlikely to be your issue is because the mounts for the core around the core itself would cause the PCB to flex and still make proper contact. One inductor will not cause you to have bad thermal transfer over the entire PCB, it would only cause bad temperatures in one location.

    You can order softer thermal pads that will work over the inductors, as the inductors don’t require thermal pads like the other components require. That is why they come with thermal putty from the factory. There is always going to be minor variances in height of components.

    Was your HWINFO64 reading with the waterblock installed or the air cooler?
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    Re: 3080 TI FFTW3 ULTRA Factory Problem ? 2021/10/16 18:14:19 (permalink)
    Thank you for your answers.
     
    yes the waterblock is currently installed.
     
    I found a big problem with my case, it is not well ventilated. I don't have enough air coming in from the bottom of the case.
    I removed the glass on the side and on the front of the case and the temperature is greatly reduced
     
    The memory Junction temperature still high or normal ?

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    Re: 3080 TI FFTW3 ULTRA Factory Problem ? 2021/10/16 18:23:34 (permalink)
    If those are your temps on watercooling, you have something very wrong, especially utilizing two 360mm rads.

    What is your CPU temp showing?

    How long does it take for your temperatures to get that high? I am paying more attention to your maximum temps, because you are hitting the maximum allowable temps, which is wrong with watercooling. You have a very bad mount of your GPU core is getting to 90+ degrees and your VRam Junction is at 105+

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    Re: 3080 TI FFTW3 ULTRA Factory Problem ? 2021/10/16 18:41:30 (permalink)
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    If those are your temps on watercooling, you have something very wrong, especially utilizing two 360mm rads.

    What is your CPU temp showing?

    How long does it take for your temperatures to get that high? I am paying more attention to your maximum temps, because you are hitting the maximum allowable temps, which is wrong with watercooling. You have a very bad mount of your GPU core is getting to 90+ degrees and your VRam Junction is at 105+



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    Re: 3080 TI FFTW3 ULTRA Factory Problem ? 2021/10/16 20:00:57 (permalink)
    The last photo I uploaded I didn't  restart the HW app. I just did a 1h session on the NewWorld game.
    maybe i didn't tighten the waterblock screws enough? I should do a check tomorrow
     
     
     

     
     
    The temperatures displayed are really crappy ... With my old GTX 1080 I never exceeded 60 degrees (but not the same power lol)
    My cpu can go up to just a maximum of 86 with an average of 66
     
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    Re: 3080 TI FFTW3 ULTRA Factory Problem ? 2021/10/16 20:17:14 (permalink)
    Did you use the correct screws (length) for the GPU EK water block? The same thing happened to me on my 2080 ti. It had terrible GPU temp. I realized I used the wrong screws; the screws bottomed out. The temp went to what was expected when I switched out the screws.

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    Re: 3080 TI FFTW3 ULTRA Factory Problem ? 2021/10/16 21:38:37 (permalink)
    OP....tighten those screws till you pretty much start to "squash" the plastic washers.....see a lot of posts on here (likely paranoid over the problems with failure after after installing the Block)....you should be able to tweak them down until there isnt much left to tighten......
     
    As for screw length..EK provides a bunch of un-necessary sizes that arent needed (adds to the confusion for sure), other than using the little "Screw length visual card" supplied, you should also notice that the correct size is the largest number supplied..separate them and count them if your in doubt...theres enough spare plastic washers to avoid re-using them, use new ones...if you dont have enough extra 1mm pads to re-pad prior to re-installing, just re-pad the VRAM chips and leave the other ones on the Power Phase components, you should have enough for that.....
     
    TIP: When ordering your EK Block, always a good idea to throw a bunch of new replacement thermal pads in your cart (there cheap), both for the Block pcb and the backplate ;)
     
    For temps, I have 1*480 Rad (56mm thick), 1* 360 and 1*240, with Vector on 3080Ti and Velocity on 9900k, everything OC'd:
    Max Temps CPU gaming with fairly decent load on CPU 60c to 63c (very heavy load)
    Max Temp 3080Ti FTW3 playing any AAA Title 44c - 46c (46c being absolute Max 100% utilization)
    GPU Hot Spot around 52c to 56c...same with Memory Junc
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    My Noctua Fans (no they arent pretty but pretty darn effective) at around 1250 RPM (I dont use software to control Rad Fans, but a manual slider for "specific radiators, dedicated Case intakes and dedicated exhaust) I have a number of reasons why I prefer manual Fan Controller over software.
     
    Regardless of all the opinions on the topic, I prefer to set rad fans as intakes (thermal- dynamics 101), set to push the coolest air possible thru them (all the nooks n crannies in your case and dedicated exhaust fan will take care of expelling any heat)..
     
    If you have the room for it in your case, its nice to have some dedicated intake fans (not on your rads) that can ensure decent fresh air moving over your mobo....
    For fans n rads, look for decent low fpi (fins per inch) as thick as you can fit and load em up with good quality low RPM / High static pressure fans (make that the priority over looking "pretty", you should be able to compromise)....push / pull never yields enough gains to make it worthwhile when working with mulitiple radiators and lots of fans to begin with.
     
    Let us know how you make out...if you want more tips feel free to pm me...I started WC'ing full on back in 2013/14 and enjoy helping others out as I was helped initially ;)
     
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    Re: 3080 TI FFTW3 ULTRA Factory Problem ? 2021/10/16 22:15:50 (permalink)
    That's worse than an air cooled 3080 Ti at the stock 400w, with good fan support.
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    Re: 3080 TI FFTW3 ULTRA Factory Problem ? 2021/10/16 22:18:21 (permalink)
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    That's worse than an air cooled 3080 Ti at the stock 400w, with good fan support.




    It sure is! I had mine is a crappy case on air prior to installing the Block and had better temps.

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    Re: 3080 TI FFTW3 ULTRA Factory Problem ? 2021/10/16 23:13:03 (permalink)
    thank you i will do this tomorrow. I am going to start by tightening the sights a little more and also checking if it is the good screw I think well yes. I took the trouble to count the screw to know which type to choose.
    really it is one of the worst waterblock kit that I have seen at EK no manual in the box and the one on the web it is not famous for the application of termal pad.
    I mounted several video cards including a tri-sli of GTX 480, GTX 780, gtx 1080 and it was much clearer for the installation.
     
    the fans on my radiators are Silent Wings 2 its still good fans but I might have to change them.
     
    The temperature on your loop is really good
    my 10850K has always heated a lot even with the GTX 1080 but my old 4790K at 4.8GHZ had normal temperature like yours.
     
    i have a picture from my cell before and after the backplate instalation.  I may have abused the thermal pad
     

     
    time to sleep ^^,
     
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    Re: 3080 TI FFTW3 ULTRA Factory Problem ? 2021/10/17 14:17:36 (permalink)
    Update 
     
    I disassembled my cpu block and installed the right components
     
    LGA-115X with optimal insert L1 and optimal J2     i have a better average 63Temp   4.9GHZ at 1.39vcore

     
    1H on New World  CPU   we see the maximun a 87 but he hit very quickly and back down to 70
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    I screwed well as it should. it was really not tight enough so I did the right thing.
    the video card still remains hot but it is already much better than before. I run at 70 degree after 1 hour of play.
    Yesterday I was still in the 84 degree and above
     
    the spot temperature still high...   next time i will open the card to verify if the thermal pad is good.





     
     
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    Re: 3080 TI FFTW3 ULTRA Factory Problem ? 2021/10/17 14:34:41 (permalink)
    Are you sure your pump is strong enough, fans are up and your coolant is actually cool?  That 87C at 160w on an Intel CPU is VERY bad.  When I had my 9900K on a CLC120 with push pull fans (2x A12 2000RPM, intake), it would do 75C at 150w and 80C at 168w, long term sustained.  My CLC280 with push pull could do 80C with 208w sustained Prime 95 AVX.
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    Re: 3080 TI FFTW3 ULTRA Factory Problem ? 2021/10/17 16:34:38 (permalink)
    I have an all in one kit. Reservoir plus pump : newegg . ca/lian-li-reservoir/p/2YM-002Y-00001

    All my fans run to max speed 1300RPM and is to low for the cpu and gpu.
    PUMP DDC 3.1 to 3000RPM


    When I fill the pc with water I see that it fills up very well and quickly. but it is clearly not an MCP655 
    when i touch the radiator i would say they are warm but colder than hot. just as the water temperature seems similar

    I just watched a review on my radiator and I absolutely have to get a better push fan only. The radiator that I have a push pull is not effective according to the tests here  xtremerigs . net/2015/02/10/ek-pe-360-radiator-review/

    have read in several places that the Cpu is really hot as bas as a furnace. I think i will have to adjust the oc manually at 4.8GHZ for 1.21Vcore its would make more sense for the temperature than 4.9Ghz at 1.395V.

    We still advance is it that the HOT SPOT gpu is still too high and what is more precisely the hsg?




    I have read in several places that the CPU is really hot as bad as a furnace. I think I will have to adjust the oc manually at 4.8GHZ for 1.21Vcore its would make more sense for the temperature than 4.9Ghz at 1.395Vcore


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    Re: 3080 TI FFTW3 ULTRA Factory Problem ? 2021/10/17 17:25:26 (permalink)
    Modern Intel CPU's can in theory get hot but that's only under severe all core AVX loads and with an overclock, IF they are pulling a ton of power say well over 200w. They have very good soldered heat spreaders and dissipate heat/power better than AMD.  So if you are getting 87C at 160w and getting worse performance than with my 120mm AIO, something is wrong.  The 9th and 10th gen have the same format, iirc the heat spreader on the 10th is a bit thinner and more capable.
     
    I have no first hand experience with custom watercooling but have looked into it extensively.  Lots of bad reports on the reliability of that DDC 3.1 pump and it's certainly not a D5.  Hard to comment on the config of your rads, fans and coolant temp without more details, but people say you need good strong fans and sometimes push pull to get proper performance out of some thicker rads.  But you know this.
     
    My 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra had no problem staying at about 65-70C at 400W in 4K120 VRR gaming, with good fan support. 
     
     
     
     
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    Re: 3080 TI FFTW3 ULTRA Factory Problem ? 2021/10/18 20:34:40 (permalink)
    I have buy new fans  6X Noctua NF-F12 IPPC 3000 PWM  because my case doesn't breathe very well.
     
    today i have made a quick OC.  4.9GHZ at 1.235Vcore is up to 1.26vcore   so tested with intel burn test and right now is much better i can do i better score maybe if a tricks more my oc.
     

     
    i buy  EK Thermal PAD G 1,0mm     but i dont know what is the difference between Thermal PAD G or F in the manual of installation is a F version. 
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    Re: 3080 TI FFTW3 ULTRA Factory Problem ? 2021/10/19 07:51:26 (permalink)
    take the block apart and make sure you have some indentations on the thermal pads to show they are making contact.

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    Re: 3080 TI FFTW3 ULTRA Factory Problem ? 2021/10/19 16:13:06 (permalink)
    perfect i will check this :)     i am waiting my thermal pad , Today I received my noctua fans they are monsters  I am able to feel the push of air just 42 inches away lol 
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    Re: 3080 TI FFTW3 ULTRA Factory Problem ? 2021/10/23 13:15:02 (permalink)
    I disassembled the waterblock I screwed so hard that the screws of the waterblock were stuck on the PCB of the video card lol. but everything is ok.
     
    good this adventure continues
     
    we can see on the second photo that the contact is not very good.
    On the left completely and also the chips on the left of the GPU the contact did not look very good.


     

    Back of the gpu do you think i have to many thermal pad ?
     



    i made a video to see all the card.
     
    youtube . com/  watch?v=qeSEBZ58hOA&ab_channel=MI7QC 
     
    The places where the contact is not made well should I install one on top of the other of the 1 mm thermal pad?
    I have just that at home of the 1 mm.
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    Re: 3080 TI FFTW3 ULTRA Factory Problem ? 2021/10/23 16:23:40 (permalink)
    OP - Your loop is messed up.  It's obvious for three reasons:
     
    1. CPU cooling is terrible.  It's really hard to mess up a cpu block or cooler mount for an experienced person, so unless your CPU block is defective, you aren't flowing enough coolant or the coolant is too warm. Or both.
     
    2. You have a low GPU core to VRAM temp delta.  Like less than 10C.  Hot spot is about core +15C which is totally normal.  That means the mount is pretty normal, maybe biased a bit to the vram but under a normal gaming load those deltas are totally fine.  If you were mining ETH and had those deltas, you would have insufficient chip pressure.
     
    3. You haven't posted any loop coolant temps or flow rates, which means you don't have sensors to check them.
     
    I'd say to take some soft tubing/hose and test both the CPU block and GPU block under load with building water at an ample flow rate, like this vid:
     
    https://youtu.be/qO0-47to8-E
     
    Unless you have a separate known good pump-res and sensors to use.
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