richj44

HAZMAN_THE_GREAT
Here is a good recent story were a law abiding gun order saved the day.
http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/28617490/bank-customer-captures-alleged-bank-robber
  
The bottom line is its VERY VERY VERY GOOD to be carrying and with these links I posted, they all are just minor examples of the enormous situations that  prove  you can be carrying not to just help yourself but to help other innocent by-standards.

Hazman, two things wrong with that particular link.  1) The "hero" of the story wasn't actually carrying.  He went to his vehicle and got his gun from the vehicle, then chased down the would be bank robber.  And more importantly, 2) The "hero" of the story is a freakin' idiot.  That's law enforcement's job, plain and simple.  The citizen was totally out of harm's way, in fact, if the story is correct, at that point the robber wasn't a threat to him or to anyone else, but he then went and intentionally put himself back *in* harm's way to arrest someone making off with the bank's money?  The would be robber never even showed a weapon.  I would not be at all surprised to find that there's more to the story and the guy who did that may end up facing some charges himself.  It may not go to trial, but he sure as heck opened up a can of worms he didn't need to open.
 
Concealed carry isn't a license to turn yourself into a law enforcement officer.  It's a means to protect yourself as a last resort.  And that's how the law looks at it.

You are going to let us know what's wrong with what the guy did though right? I see nothing wrong...

BF3PRO

richj44

HAZMAN_THE_GREAT
Here is a good recent story were a law abiding gun order saved the day.
http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/28617490/bank-customer-captures-alleged-bank-robber
  
The bottom line is its VERY VERY VERY GOOD to be carrying and with these links I posted, they all are just minor examples of the enormous situations that  prove  you can be carrying not to just help yourself but to help other innocent by-standards.

Hazman, two things wrong with that particular link.  1) The "hero" of the story wasn't actually carrying.  He went to his vehicle and got his gun from the vehicle, then chased down the would be bank robber.  And more importantly, 2) The "hero" of the story is a freakin' idiot.  That's law enforcement's job, plain and simple.  The citizen was totally out of harm's way, in fact, if the story is correct, at that point the robber wasn't a threat to him or to anyone else, but he then went and intentionally put himself back *in* harm's way to arrest someone making off with the bank's money?  The would be robber never even showed a weapon.  I would not be at all surprised to find that there's more to the story and the guy who did that may end up facing some charges himself.  It may not go to trial, but he sure as heck opened up a can of worms he didn't need to open.
 
Concealed carry isn't a license to turn yourself into a law enforcement officer.  It's a means to protect yourself as a last resort.  And that's how the law looks at it.

You are going to let us know what's wrong with what the guy did though right? I see nothing wrong...

From what I read everything he did was wrong.
 
I used to teach the actual shooting portion of a concealed pistol class and this line of thought is a common misconception.
 
As a civilian carrying you are not allowed to pull a pistol on a fleeing thief or take it upon yourself to enforce the law.  You should only draw your pistol when your or another's life are in eminent danger.  Some law enforcement might look the other way for someone intending to do good, but he law is pretty clear and many a well meaning person has had their life ruined because of a bad snap decision.
 
At my classes I always taught do not pull your gun unless you intend to shoot and you better be certain you have reasonable fear for your's or another's life.
 
Yes I believe carrying a firearm is a right, but it is also a great responsibility that unfortunately many people are ready for.

I though Chicago was as bad as NYC/Jersey with CCW's.  How did you get one?
 
and wow, thats a nice looking ruger.

I actually carry everyday (one on me one in the glove box and one behind and under my seat)... I still don't see how him chasing someone down who had committed a felony is wrong... You know it saved tax dollars by not having them go on a manhunt for the guy.... Would I have chased him down? No, because it was none of my business but do I think the guy who did is evil and "wrong"? No. I'm personally happy for Kansas now! No more CHP (in NC its a CHP every state has a different name for it) to conceal! Also, it is true that every state has different laws.

Edit: I cringe when I see something unsafe that is firearms related and I'll try to teach people better safety but in no way do I feel that that law should mandate "training". Im just asking you to clarify what you think was wrong with what happened and I said "I see nothing wrong" as an objection, I don't know facts on the case nor was I there I was just asking as that would be an actual objection from some people not my own. Just trying to get you to think a little that's all!

emach

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nateman_doo
I though Chicago was as bad as NYC/Jersey with CCW's.  How did you get one?
 
and wow, thats a nice looking ruger.

I think he was implying that he does not have a permit, but carries anyway because he feels that his right to do so is not issued by the local, state, or federal government.  Or I could be wrong.

I DO have a carry permit and yes Illinois laws are strict to get your permit but thank God Chicago doesn't run Illinois completely.

A lot of businesses in the city of Chicago have no concealed carry in their shops stckers, which is why I don't patronize those establishments.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

BF3PRO
Just trying to get you to think a little that's all!

BF3PRO, did you read my reply? I clarified what I saw as wrong. Or the reply from rcoev6?  So did he, and much better than I did.  We're thinking plenty, thanks.  We both answered what was wrong.  Nobody said the guy who chased down the robber was evil.  If you still don't get it, try going back and re-reading the replies, because repeating myself certainly won't make any difference. 
 

BF3PRO

richj44

BF3PRO
Just trying to get you to think a little that's all!

BF3PRO, did you read my reply? I clarified what I saw as wrong. Or the reply from rcoev6?  So did he, and much better than I did.  We're thinking plenty, thanks.  We both answered what was wrong.  Nobody said the guy who chased down the robber was evil.  If you still don't get it, try going back and re-reading the replies, because repeating myself certainly won't make any difference. 
 

I read your replies and put the reason why I asked for your reasons for saying he's wrong... You had to think when you posted a reply to my question therefore my goal was completed... If you were to go through my previous post and read the edit you'd clearly see where I (BF3PRO) explained why I asked your reasons. Never once did I imply not understanding your post...

ROFL.  Yeah, right.  What I think is that you still don't understand what the guy did wrong and are trying to talk a load of BS which means nothing in order to sound like you are somehow brilliant.  It ain't working.  But I'm done with this conversation since it's an obvious dead end, so have a good day.

Actually, I am quite brilliant! I know from my viewpoint I could make an opinion on what he did wrong but since I wasn't there and don't know all the facts I wont... Too bad you made this fatal mistake! Good day sir, good day!

Gunsvnvmc
Yes I carry most of the time it is my Barnes 45 Long Colt Derringer, 45 Long Colt rounds do impressive things. Also carry a Smith & Wesson chambered with 40 S&W rounds and 2 extra clips.
 
I am a Vietnam Combat Veteran served with Echo Co LRRPs C Co Rangers 75th Inf. team #33 during the years of 1969 to 1971. I carried a M60 Machine Gun during most of my tours of duty.
 
I am a member of the Vietnam Vets / Legacy Vets Motorcycle Club and live in Oklahoma. It is legal to open carry in our state if you have a handgun permit and I do have one. We go through extensive testing, background checks by the FBI and have to qualify with our firearms to get the Handgun Permit.
 
I carry because I took an oath to protect and defend The Constitution of The United States of America against all enemies foreign and domestic. I do feel like any gunman out of control shooting people at random is the enemy and should be stopped. I do not carry due to being paranoid or afraid, lost that fear in the jungles of South East Asia long ago.

Im sorry you have to go through the tests and background checks... Those are basically "permission" slips to excercise a right... Hopefully one day it will change... (Thanks for your service)

BF3PRO
I actually carry everyday (one on me one in the glove box and one behind and under my seat)... I still don't see how him chasing someone down who had committed a felony is wrong... You know it saved tax dollars by not having them go on a manhunt for the guy.... Would I have chased him down? No, because it was none of my business but do I think the guy who did is evil and "wrong"? No. I'm personally happy for Kansas now! No more CHP (in NC its a CHP every state has a different name for it) to conceal! Also, it is true that every state has different laws.

Edit: I cringe when I see something unsafe that is firearms related and I'll try to teach people better safety but in no way do I feel that that law should mandate "training". Im just asking you to clarify what you think was wrong with what happened and I said "I see nothing wrong" as an objection, I don't know facts on the case nor was I there I was just asking as that would be an actual objection from some people not my own. Just trying to get you to think a little that's all!

Glad you carry, I personally think that driving around with three firearms in your car is a bit overkill.  I have never liked leaving firearms in a parked car as it is simply too easy for an unwanted person to gain access to them and honestly the chances of you need one much less three firearms is incredibly slim.  Your funds and time would be much better spent in having one quality setup that you are very good with and not just static shooting, but run get your heart rate up and then try and shoot.  I shoot 3gun and tactical shoots almost every weekend and I am still amazed at how many people struggle to hit a 6" round target at 10 meters with their handgun once their heart rate is up.  I bring guys from work who are "into" guns and think it would be easy from time to time and just about every one is given a harsh reality check into their lack of skills.
 
My issue with anyone and everyone carrying firearms is that many people would do more harm to themselves or other innocents if they ever had to use their firearm.  Giving classes and being an active shooter for over 30 years I have seen quite a few people that have been handed a license that could barely load their weapon much less use it in a safe manner and most had no intention of ever learning or practicing to become better, they just assumed that by them carrying a firearm it made them safer.  I do believe everyone has the right to carry, but as an individual who wants to exercise this right the individual needs to assume the responsibility to know and be able to effectively use their firearm.  Responsibility is something all too many Americans are lacking now.
 
As far as chasing down a robber with your pistol, if you cannot wrap your mind around what is wrong with that idea then there is not much I can say to convince you, but you might want to consider how the real police are going to react when they see two armed people fleeing the scene.  Taking the "Rambo" out of a young person carrying a firearm is very hard to do, just look to G. Zimmerman everything he did was technically legal, but in practice very stupid and even though he avoided jail time it certainly destroyed his life.

Just IMO but I would not ever leave a gun in my car. That's worse than leaving guns loaded and unlocked in your house. I keep a small knife and a larger (8" fixed blade, knife on one side, saw on the other) knife in my car. The larger though I don't keep as a weapon, I keep it in case I ever need one for the zombie apocalypse, or have to cut down a tree, etc.

Springfield Armory XD Mod 2 3" 9mm
Hellbent Holster OWB
30 rounds of Winchester 147g defend JHP

I use a Alien Gear cloak 2 for IWB for summer
 

They make lock boxes you can bolt down or use steel cable to make it harder for someone to walk off with the box.

I use one of those in my car when I have to go into a state mandated free crime zone. Definitely won't stop someone that brings cutting tools, but the smash and grab isn't taking it. To be an extra jerk I use two cables too.

HAZMAN_THE_GREAT
Here is a good recent story were a law abiding gun order saved the day.
http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/28617490/bank-customer-captures-alleged-bank-robber
 
Also here is a story from a man who credits his firearm for saving both his life and his wife’s during a scary home invasion that could have been much worse. Instead of crediting his firearm for saving their lives, he should instead credit his decision to arm himself to protect his family. It can be a scary thing when criminals are bored. I suggest people carry in their homes too. I always have my gun 3 feet next to me as well as any other kind of weapon like a knife, baton, or taser.
http://www.kxii.com/home/headlines/Armed-Marshall-County-homeowner-repels-would-be-home-invaders-297720321.html?ref=321
 
Also watch this video about a women's horrible rape in a gun free zone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=531e3d90-0-25fd-81fe-90e6ba613d48&feature=iv&src_vid=LSft-3TEYyI&v=uUDxmVvKNbw
 
 
The bottom line is its VERY VERY VERY GOOD to be carrying and with these links I posted, they all are just minor examples of the enormous situations that  prove  you can be carrying not to just help yourself but to help other innocent by-standards.

While I support the right to carry to say it's because you could be a hero and linking stories like this disregards the fact that a lot of people who have a gun don't come out the hero. Training really makes a difference and really nobody wants to be the hero in a gun fight.

As an assault survivor I have a Ruger s9 and a Taurus 709S
But I have yet to carry them as I fear having to use.  Having them at home for protection is a great comfort.

S&W SD9 every day, everywhere. A little big but I don't mind it.