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Re: Comprehensive Windows 10 Black Screen Trouble shooting Guide 2020/11/26 10:56:28 (permalink)
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NVCP -> Power Management Mode "Optimal Power" -- setting to High Performance causes GPU clock speed bug that locks GPU clock at 1800mhz even while idle at desktop.

That's not a bug, it's supposed to do that.
 


Got it! I was having trouble finding an exact answer to that. I swear in the past it didn't behave that way (with my previous 2080S), but I could be wrong. The thing is though, going into that power mode generates more heat and dust because then my GPU is constantly above 60C so the fans kick in. But if you're saying it solves it, I'm willing to give it a shot just to verify, in which case it'll make me feel better about drivers hopefully fixing this in the future. People shouldn't be forced into that setting in order to gain stability on their desktop.

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Re: Comprehensive Windows 10 Black Screen Trouble shooting Guide 2020/11/26 11:18:35 (permalink)
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...blah...
NVCP -> Power Management Mode "Optimal Power" -- setting to High Performance causes GPU clock speed bug that locks GPU clock at 1800mhz even while idle at desktop.
...blah...
 

 
And this is exactly the workaround, that prevents these black screens, until nvidia fixes their drivers.


You might right. I got an NVLDDMKM error last night. So I'm going to try that next. I don't like trying a lot of things at once because then it's harder for me to determine which one is responsible for improving things.



5 days uptime here now. Tried a lot of things, but rock stable.
Anyways, that new nvidia driver better releases soon. I dont want it in high clock mode forever.
 

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Re: Comprehensive Windows 10 Black Screen Trouble shooting Guide 2020/11/26 15:13:16 (permalink)
Im running this fix, no reboots at idle since then. fingers crossed
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Re: Comprehensive Windows 10 Black Screen Trouble shooting Guide 2020/11/26 15:36:12 (permalink)
 
I'm still good, 3 or 4 days now I think. Still not sure which 'fix' actually fixed the problem, it might have been the cable or the DP port on the card I was using, because I've switched off the Power Management Mode "Optimal Power" as it kept the card running quite a bit hotter, but still no black screens.
 


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Re: Comprehensive Windows 10 Black Screen Trouble shooting Guide 2020/11/27 13:14:46 (permalink)
Haven’t seen an issue since I replaced my cheap out of spec amazon cables.
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Re: Comprehensive Windows 10 Black Screen Trouble shooting Guide 2020/11/27 15:01:14 (permalink)
Would try if having problem with my future kp card
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Re: Comprehensive Windows 10 Black Screen Trouble shooting Guide 2020/11/27 15:39:42 (permalink)
I started having this issue since last night.
 
RTX 3090 FTW3 Ultra - black screened during gameplay. Hard rebooted several times and still no video signal. Power cycled three or four times and then randomly got signal back.
 
Then today, black screened during web browsing (no load on GPU) and had to hard reboot. Then black screened again during live stream - had to reboot since no video signal.
 
This is really getting on my nerves - an $1800 GPU that has these issues? I have 4x 3090 FE cards and none of them have any issue - using the same cables/monitors with those and they all work fine.
 
What is the solution?

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Re: Comprehensive Windows 10 Black Screen Trouble shooting Guide 2020/11/27 16:23:11 (permalink)
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I started having this issue since last night.
 
RTX 3090 FTW3 Ultra - black screened during gameplay. Hard rebooted several times and still no video signal. Power cycled three or four times and then randomly got signal back.
 
Then today, black screened during web browsing (no load on GPU) and had to hard reboot. Then black screened again during live stream - had to reboot since no video signal.
 
This is really getting on my nerves - an $1800 GPU that has these issues? I have 4x 3090 FE cards and none of them have any issue - using the same cables/monitors with those and they all work fine.
 
What is the solution?

Try plugging your DP cable in another port from your 3090 card. Also you might need to buy a certified DP1.4 cable, seems a few people have found a sub-standard DP cable to be the issue (or HDMI if you're using that).
 


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Re: Comprehensive Windows 10 Black Screen Trouble shooting Guide 2020/11/27 18:06:05 (permalink)
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Try plugging your DP cable in another port from your 3090 card. Also you might need to buy a certified DP1.4 cable, seems a few people have found a sub-standard DP cable to be the issue (or HDMI if you're using that).
 

 
Tried that and it didn't work. Now, the GPU has a red LED and no RGB - it seems completely dead. This is really infuriating. I swapped my RTX 3090 FE into the system with the same cables/monitors etc. and it works flawlessly. Just live streamed for over 1.5 hours with no issues at all - and I had the GPU OC'd as well. A side note, the FE card was ~ 10C cooler than the FTW3 Ultra with the same setup - that is quite surprising.
 
Anyway, I'm not sure if I have to RMA the card now or if there's a way to recover it - there's just a red LED when the PC starts and no video signal in any of the ports - tried 3 different ports (DP 1.4) and a HDMI connection - on 3 different monitors - zero video signal from the FTW3 Ultra.
 
My DP 1.4 cables are certified for 4K 120Hz.
 

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Re: Comprehensive Windows 10 Black Screen Trouble shooting Guide 2020/11/28 01:48:07 (permalink)
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Try plugging your DP cable in another port from your 3090 card. Also you might need to buy a certified DP1.4 cable, seems a few people have found a sub-standard DP cable to be the issue (or HDMI if you're using that).
 

 
Tried that and it didn't work. Now, the GPU has a red LED and no RGB - it seems completely dead. This is really infuriating. I swapped my RTX 3090 FE into the system with the same cables/monitors etc. and it works flawlessly. Just live streamed for over 1.5 hours with no issues at all - and I had the GPU OC'd as well. A side note, the FE card was ~ 10C cooler than the FTW3 Ultra with the same setup - that is quite surprising.
 
Anyway, I'm not sure if I have to RMA the card now or if there's a way to recover it - there's just a red LED when the PC starts and no video signal in any of the ports - tried 3 different ports (DP 1.4) and a HDMI connection - on 3 different monitors - zero video signal from the FTW3 Ultra.
 
My DP 1.4 cables are certified for 4K 120Hz.
 


I would say it's rma time for you my friend, sorry but probably your best option right now




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Re: Comprehensive Windows 10 Black Screen Trouble shooting Guide 2020/12/01 09:51:44 (permalink)
lots of good information here, thank you for posting this!
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Re: Comprehensive Windows 10 Black Screen Trouble shooting Guide 2020/12/01 10:37:03 (permalink)
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I started having this issue since last night.
 
RTX 3090 FTW3 Ultra - black screened during gameplay. Hard rebooted several times and still no video signal. Power cycled three or four times and then randomly got signal back.
 
Then today, black screened during web browsing (no load on GPU) and had to hard reboot. Then black screened again during live stream - had to reboot since no video signal.
 
This is really getting on my nerves - an $1800 GPU that has these issues? I have 4x 3090 FE cards and none of them have any issue - using the same cables/monitors with those and they all work fine.
 
What is the solution?


If it's causing hard reboots I'd RMA if it's just no signal try certified cables first.
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Re: Comprehensive Windows 10 Black Screen Trouble shooting Guide 2020/12/02 09:33:35 (permalink)
New driver is out.
457.51
They claim to have fixed this.
 
What i found is, that even tough i set the new driver back to optimal performance, the 3080 still does not want to downclock in idle. As if their fix is exactly this... Can anyone else try this?
It seems that there is no difference now between optimal and max performance mode in the drivers energy option.

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Re: Comprehensive Windows 10 Black Screen Trouble shooting Guide 2020/12/02 20:04:18 (permalink)
@Baasha I agree with others it's a lemon set - time to return and replace.
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Re: Comprehensive Windows 10 Black Screen Trouble shooting Guide 2020/12/03 05:57:17 (permalink)
So lets say my card decides to flop like a lot I see around here. How long does it take to RMI because it took for ever just to get this one.................
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Re: Comprehensive Windows 10 Black Screen Trouble shooting Guide 2020/12/03 09:04:43 (permalink)
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New driver is out.
457.51
They claim to have fixed this.
 
What i found is, that even tough i set the new driver back to optimal performance, the 3080 still does not want to downclock in idle. As if their fix is exactly this... Can anyone else try this?
It seems that there is no difference now between optimal and max performance mode in the drivers energy option.


I read somewhere else that if you change the setting to "max performance" and then switch back to "optimal" you will need to reboot for the change to take effect. I never tried it myself, but that's something you might want to try.
 
Also, I am running the new driver (12/2/2020 release) and so far no black screens and not a single NVDDLMKM error. Granted, it's only been a day, but by now I would have already seen 1 or two while using Chrome :)

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Re: Comprehensive Windows 10 Black Screen Trouble shooting Guide 2020/12/03 19:41:03 (permalink)
on the new driver and black screened 3 times today on zoom calls over a span of 3 hours.
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Re: Comprehensive Windows 10 Black Screen Trouble shooting Guide 2020/12/04 10:31:45 (permalink)
Yep, the issue was NOT fixed with the 457.51 driver.

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Re: Comprehensive Windows 10 Black Screen Trouble shooting Guide 2020/12/04 10:51:47 (permalink)
Weird. So far no other errors from me. Quick question, when you get a black screen, what does Event Viewer say about the error? For me it was always NVLDDMKM errors. What does it say for you guys?

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Re: Comprehensive Windows 10 Black Screen Trouble shooting Guide 2020/12/04 11:05:10 (permalink)
For me the same. NVLDDMKM error. The display driver stopped responding, and has recovered. Except that recovering did not gave the display signal back, so i always had to restart the PC. Even tough sound seemed to play in the backround, so not the entiere pc was frozen.

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Re: Comprehensive Windows 10 Black Screen Trouble shooting Guide 2020/12/04 11:23:57 (permalink)
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For me the same. NVLDDMKM error. The display driver stopped responding, and has recovered. Except that recovering did not gave the display signal back, so i always had to restart the PC. Even tough sound seemed to play in the backround, so not the entiere pc was frozen.


That would drive me nuts. Not sure if it matters, but I always use DDU when I switch driver versions, especially when the driver I'm switching from has known issues. Keeping my fingers crossed, but still no errors for me, and I didn't change anything inside of the NVCP other than making sure G-Sync is enabled for windowed + full screen games.

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Re: Comprehensive Windows 10 Black Screen Trouble shooting Guide 2020/12/04 15:59:46 (permalink)
I dont believe i thought i am the only one who having blackout.
I have 3080 xc ulta and i tried everything and nothing work
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Re: Comprehensive Windows 10 Black Screen Trouble shooting Guide 2020/12/04 16:59:29 (permalink)
try what i did?
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Re: Comprehensive Windows 10 Black Screen Trouble shooting Guide 2020/12/04 17:54:30 (permalink)
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I dont believe i thought i am the only one who having blackout.
I have 3080 xc ulta and i tried everything and nothing work

 
 
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Re: Comprehensive Windows 10 Black Screen Trouble shooting Guide 2020/12/05 12:12:27 (permalink)
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For me the same. NVLDDMKM error. The display driver stopped responding, and has recovered. Except that recovering did not gave the display signal back, so i always had to restart the PC. Even tough sound seemed to play in the backround, so not the entiere pc was frozen.



This is exactly what I had been experiencing and it seems to have started for me since installing v457.51. It's happened twice so far, both times when the PC has been idle.
When I have some time I will try and downgrade to the previous version and see if it stops.
(3090 FTW3 Ultra)
 
EDIT to mention: When this happens, the GPU fans all go to what sounds like 100% until I reboot.
 
post edited by soundwave404 - 2020/12/05 12:16:28
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Re: Comprehensive Windows 10 Black Screen Trouble shooting Guide 2020/12/06 01:35:42 (permalink)
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For me the same. NVLDDMKM error. The display driver stopped responding, and has recovered. Except that recovering did not gave the display signal back, so i always had to restart the PC. Even tough sound seemed to play in the backround, so not the entiere pc was frozen.



This is exactly what I had been experiencing and it seems to have started for me since installing v457.51. It's happened twice so far, both times when the PC has been idle.
When I have some time I will try and downgrade to the previous version and see if it stops.
(3090 FTW3 Ultra)
 
EDIT to mention: When this happens, the GPU fans all go to what sounds like 100% until I reboot.
 


The previous driver (457.30) had the same issue.



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Re: Comprehensive Windows 10 Black Screen Trouble shooting Guide 2020/12/07 12:28:52 (permalink)
Hardware issues vs drivers. Hopefully. Its just the drivers that can fix the blackouts.
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Re: Comprehensive Windows 10 Black Screen Trouble shooting Guide 2020/12/09 07:00:42 (permalink)
460.79 is out...
...and not a single word about if they fixed the idle tdr/black screen issues 

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Re: Comprehensive Windows 10 Black Screen Trouble shooting Guide 2020/12/09 07:32:35 (permalink)
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460.79 is out...
...and not a single word about if they fixed the idle tdr/black screen issues 


I noticed that they replaced the "optimal" and "adaptive" power options with "normal" in the power management in the new driver update.
Previously, we needed to set it at "prefer maximum performance" for the workaround at the expense of more power draw.
Perhaps, this new "normal" mode addresses the issue.
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Re: Comprehensive Windows 10 Black Screen Trouble shooting Guide 2020/12/09 09:55:16 (permalink)
There is an interesting new post from Manuel at the GRD 460.79 topic about this issue, and why it isnt listed with the new driver release:
 

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Our telemetry shows that the outstanding bug was pretty much fixed in the field. You are likely seeing a different bug which we are not seeing. Previously users mentioned that the TDR did not create a dmp file so you will need to trigger a bugcheck as described below:
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  4. On your keyboard, press the Windows key and the letter "R" at the same time to bring up the Run command window. Type the following into the Open field: %LOCALAPPDATA%\CrashDumps Then press the OK button to proceed.
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