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2010/10/13 10:32:24 (permalink)
I am wondering why my stats from EOC and F@H main site do not match up with GPU Tracker stats. They don't match up with EVGA's myfolding page either.
 
(Moved these questions from below to up here because people seem to be missing them) 
Also, what does "-verbosity 9" do, and is it recommended to try for bigadv (after I get the 10 completed WUs first) while folding on gpu as well? The tracker allows me to choose the # of cores I want to use, should I tell it to use all cores or what is the recommended amount of cores to use while folding on both CPU and GPU? Also, is the Deadline shown in FAH Tracker the preferred deadline or final deadline?
 



post edited by craziplaya21 - 2010/10/14 06:16:53

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Re:New to F@H, have somel questions! 2010/10/13 10:36:10 (permalink)
EOC and FAH site do not update live.  They update every 3 hours.  The GPU tracker is live.
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Re:New to F@H, have somel questions! 2010/10/13 10:38:35 (permalink)
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EOC and FAH site do not update live.  They update every 3 hours.  The GPU tracker is live.


The screenshots taken were right after they were updated. FAH site updated at 10:00 PDT, it is currently 10:38PDT.


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Re:New to F@H, have somel questions! 2010/10/13 10:38:45 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
The EOC and Stanford stats sites record the total number of WUs from all computers and clients you have running. The Tracker only records the stats for WUs completed by the clients that it controls. So if you folded before using the Tracker, or if you have other computers folding then this is the expected result.
 
The reason the Tracker shows more total points than Stanford or EOC is that there is no way for the Tracker to tell if SMP WUs returned within the deadline will receive bonus credit. Because of this, the Tracker always assumes that the bonus points will be awarded as long as the WU is returned within the deadline. The points should start matching up once you complete the 10 WUs required to receive bonus points.
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Re:New to F@H, have somel questions! 2010/10/13 10:41:08 (permalink)
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The EOC and Stanford stats sites record the total number of WUs from all computers and clients you have running. The Tracker only records the stats for WUs completed by the clients that it controls. So if you folded before using the Tracker, or if you have other computers folding then this is the expected result.

 
Ok, that may explain the WU difference. It doesn't explain why EOC and FAH sites show lower points than Tracker though. Btw, can someone help me with the rest of my questions? 
post edited by craziplaya21 - 2010/10/13 10:49:12


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Re:New to F@H, have somel questions! 2010/10/13 10:42:36 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
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jedi95

The EOC and Stanford stats sites record the total number of WUs from all computers and clients you have running. The Tracker only records the stats for WUs completed by the clients that it controls. So if you folded before using the Tracker, or if you have other computers folding then this is the expected result.


Ok, that may explain the WU difference. It doesn't explain why EOC and FAH sites show lower points than Tracker though. Btw, can someone help me with my questions after the images? 


Beat me to the edit, see below:

jedi95 The reason the Tracker shows more total points than Stanford or EOC is that there is no way for the Tracker to tell if SMP WUs returned within the deadline will receive bonus credit. Because of this, the Tracker always assumes that the bonus points will be awarded as long as the WU is returned within the deadline. The points should start matching up once you complete the 10 WUs required to receive bonus points.


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Re:New to F@H, have somel questions! 2010/10/13 10:44:50 (permalink)
Oh, now I get it. Thanks Jedi. Now if someone can answer my other questions...


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Re:New to F@H, have somel questions! 2010/10/13 11:00:45 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
-verbosity 9 just gives you a more detailed log which can help in troubleshooting
the bigadv, it depends: do you use your computer a lot? play games, shut it down during the night.
Bigadv requires 24/7 almost uninterrupted folding.
So if you are shutting down folding for quite some time you´re better off running the regular ones
A lot of people run only -smp to leave one core for the gpu and other stuff. It´s up to you to find out what works best for you (you can still fold bigadv with -smp 7)
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Re:New to F@H, have somel questions! 2010/10/13 11:03:17 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
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Also, what does "-verbosity 9" do, and is it recommended to try for bigadv (after I get the 10 completed WUs first) while folding on gpu as well?

The -verbosity 9 flag just sets the FAH clients to log more detailed information. This doesn't affect PPD, and it's primary use is for troubleshooting. Bigadv is mainly for dedicated folding rigs, but it can work on your main computer if your CPU is fast enough and you don't shut down the client very often.
 
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The tracker allows me to choose the # of cores I want to use, should I tell it to use all cores or what is the recommended amount of cores to use while folding on both CPU and GPU?

In general, you should use 7 cores if you are folding on your main computer with SMP + GPU. Especially with GTX 400 series cards, since the GPU clients need more CPU time.
 
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Also, is the Deadline shown in FAH Tracker the preferred deadline or final deadline?

The deadline in the client status viewer is the preferred deadline. (which is also the deadline for bonus points)
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Re:New to F@H, have somel questions! 2010/10/13 11:04:47 (permalink)
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-verbosity 9 just gives you a more detailed log which can help in troubleshooting
the bigadv, it depends: do you use your computer a lot? play games, shut it down during the night.
Bigadv requires 24/7 almost uninterrupted folding.
So if you are shutting down folding for quite some time you´re better off running the regular ones
A lot of people run only -smp to leave one core for the gpu and other stuff. It´s up to you to find out what works best for you (you can still fold bigadv with -smp 7)


I shutdown folding about 2-3 hours a day for gaming.


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Re:New to F@H, have somel questions! 2010/10/13 13:45:15 (permalink)
If your going to shut down for a few hours a day then I would only fold -smp 7 -advmethods flag!  I'm not too sure if you'll make the deadline for bigadv if shut off for 2-3 hours.

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Re:New to F@H, have somel questions! 2010/10/13 17:57:01 (permalink)
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If your going to shut down for a few hours a day then I would only fold -smp 7 -advmethods flag!  I'm not too sure if you'll make the deadline for bigadv if shut off for 2-3 hours.


I'll give it a try once and keep an eye on the ETA. If it doesn't work, I'll scrap bigadv for regular advmethods. Which brings up another question, FAH Tracker defaults to -advmethods if bigadv isn't checked, right?


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Re:New to F@H, have somel questions! 2010/10/13 18:04:23 (permalink)
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I'll give it a try once and keep an eye on the ETA. If it doesn't work, I'll scrap bigadv for regular advmethods. Which brings up another question, FAH Tracker defaults to -advmethods if bigadv isn't checked, right?


Give it a try and let us know the results. At this point, my rule is to use 7 cores if running multiple gpus. Of course, I'm one processor away from my own i7 rig.

 
  
 
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Re:New to F@H, have somel questions! 2010/10/13 18:40:48 (permalink)
I believe the tracker defaults to advmethods but jedi would have to chime in to be sure



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Re:New to F@H, have somel questions! 2010/10/13 21:28:03 (permalink)
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I believe the tracker defaults to advmethods but jedi would have to chime in to be sure


Yeah, -advmethods will be used if bigadv is disabled.

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Re:New to F@H, have somel questions! 2010/10/21 18:20:43 (permalink)
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I'll give it a try once and keep an eye on the ETA. If it doesn't work, I'll scrap bigadv for regular advmethods. Which brings up another question, FAH Tracker defaults to -advmethods if bigadv isn't checked, right?


Give it a try and let us know the results. At this point, my rule is to use 7 cores if running multiple gpus. Of course, I'm one processor away from my own i7 rig.

 
Just finished turning in my first BigAdv with over a day to spare. Did it with smp 7 and 2-3 hours of gaming break per day.
 

post edited by craziplaya21 - 2010/10/21 18:26:00


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Re:New to F@H, have somel questions! 2010/10/21 22:19:16 (permalink)
Nice. I see you got a nice 67k bump in your EOC graph. Perhaps you can try with smp 8 and see what you get.
 
http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_summary.php?s=&u=500923

 
  
 
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Re:New to F@H, have somel questions! 2010/10/21 22:42:54 (permalink)
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Nice. I see you got a nice 67k bump in your EOC graph. Perhaps you can try with smp 8 and see what you get.

http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_summary.php?s=&u=500923


Nice, it finally showed up. I forgot to mention in my last post that I was folding with GTX 460 as well til last night. Turned off the 460 last night because I wanted to get the bigadv over with lol.
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Re:New to F@H, have somel questions! 2010/10/21 23:18:31 (permalink)
Your 920 should be able to handle one 460 with the smp 8. I'm guessing you'll improve with the extra core.

 
  
 
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Re:New to F@H, have somel questions! 2010/10/21 23:22:16 (permalink)
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Your 920 should be able to handle one 460 with the smp 8. I'm guessing you'll improve with the extra core.

 
I'll give it a try the next time another bigadv shows up.


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