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so i just picked up a i7 975 and i am going to OC it. i see the only difference from the 960 is that the QPI is 4.8GT/s were the 975 is 6.4GT/s
is that worth the $400 reduction in price?
how much of a performance gain if there from the 975 over the 760.
also how well does the 760 OC?
( i could use the 400 extra bucks to buy a phase changer now and not a few months down the road.)
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Re:i7 975 VS i7 960
2009/11/25 20:06:09
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960 has a locked multi, you can't adjust it up like the extremes. At stock the only performance gain is by clockspeed differences, so about 4.16% in 975's favor.
There is no $400 phase changer that can support 975's stock load, if you still want phase, go invest in an $800+ unit to take th eload of overclocking a quad.
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Re:i7 975 VS i7 960
2009/11/25 21:02:11
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960 has a locked multi, you can't adjust it up like the extremes. At stock the only performance gain is by clockspeed differences, so about 4.16% in 975's favor.
Not to correct you in any way Lehpron. I just wanted to add that the 975 does have an unlocked multiplier while the 960 does not. You said the same thing in different words and I am afraid that the OP doesn't know that an extreme chip means that the multiplier is unlocked. It appears that he/she doesn't even know that the chip they bought has an unlocked multiplier and is an extreme editition chip. So, that is the biggest difference between the two chips. The 975 has an unlocked multiplier which will make overclocking much easier and allow for much more control of the final resulting clock speed.
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Re:i7 975 VS i7 960
2009/11/25 21:26:45
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Yeah I caught that as two meanings in the same sentence, but your correction stands.
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Re:i7 975 VS i7 960
2009/11/26 03:21:14
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920+big phase is my vote. you'll get a nice and high OC, and you can get rid of the chip quick if the i7-930 is a 32nm die refresh/you want an i9 gulftown w/ 6 cores, etc.
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Re:i7 975 VS i7 960
2009/11/26 07:36:12
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Re:i7 975 VS i7 960
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Re:i7 975 VS i7 960
2009/11/26 13:39:53
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Upto means "no load" temperature, that it isn't attached to the CPU at all. Phase changers are designed for a specific load, once breached the risk of compressor burn out grows with addition load. Cryo-Z states a max load of 120W, at this load the temperature will be -30, this is what a stock 975 would achieve. The more expensive Cooler Express 2009 unit is actually meant to take higher loads, around 200-250W, which is more fitting to a 4GHz quad. Own up to your desires.  I just noticed the line in the Frozencpu link, the warranty for the Cryo-Z is just 30 days after purchase. I guess they know people will try succeed the limits and don't want to be responsible for them when the thing does burn out.
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Re:i7 975 VS i7 960
2009/11/27 20:12:29
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The i7 EE chips have been less than impressive tbh, very rarely do you hear about true cherry EE chips this generation.
If it were me i would have gone for the 960 and gotten myself a nice full copper pot ;)
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Re:i7 975 VS i7 960
2009/11/28 08:49:21
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The i7 EE chips have been less than impressive tbh, very rarely do you hear about true cherry EE chips this generation.
If it were me i would have gone for the 960 and gotten myself a nice full copper pot ;)
yeah i hope i get a good one. if i dont i think i will return the 975Ee and just go with a 960, maybe spend the rest on some crazy over priced SSD, or water cool the rest of my computer. im not sure what is in store for me with this chip but i think it will blow me away, i normally have good luck with this type of stuff.
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Re:i7 975 VS i7 960
2009/11/28 12:51:49
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hopefully you did, btw if you do return it dont spend your money all on one SSD, get a few of them, raid 0 FTW!
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Re:i7 975 VS i7 960
2009/11/28 13:07:06
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hopefully you did, btw if you do return it dont spend your money all on one SSD, get a few of them, raid 0 FTW!
yes sir, raid0 FTW my g/f just informed me that her family was going to buy me One SSD for xmass and that i could buy the other. but i dont want them spending 200-300 bucks on me so i think i will ask her to tell them to get me a GTX240 for some none powered PhysX fun...
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Re:i7 975 VS i7 960
2009/11/28 13:53:19
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yeah i hope i get a good one. if i dont i think i will return the 975Ee and just go with a 960, maybe spend the rest on some crazy over priced SSD, or water cool the rest of my computer. Under what pretense do you plan on returning the chip? I want to know under the warranty and return policy, what specifically allows you to return the chip just due to a change in opinion. If you bought the chip from a local retailer, you may be able to legitimately return the chip under the policy for some store's limited day return policy. Otherwise, you have no grounds for returning the chip. The chip cannot be returned as defective unless it is defective. Also, the warranty on the chip is technically void by not using the stock Intel Heatsink/Fan which came with the chip. ;) Good luck. Please don't make a groundless RMA since it would be immoral, illegal, and jack up the prices for Intel products for the rest of us.
post edited by ty_ger07 - 2009/11/28 13:59:08
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Re:i7 975 VS i7 960
2009/11/28 18:00:58
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yeah i hope i get a good one. if i dont i think i will return the 975Ee and just go with a 960, maybe spend the rest on some crazy over priced SSD, or water cool the rest of my computer.
Under what pretense do you plan on returning the chip? I want to know under the warranty and return policy, what specifically allows you to return the chip just due to a change in opinion.
If you bought the chip from a local retailer, you may be able to legitimately return the chip under the policy for some store's limited day return policy.
Otherwise, you have no grounds for returning the chip. The chip cannot be returned as defective unless it is defective. Also, the warranty on the chip is technically void by not using the stock Intel Heatsink/Fan which came with the chip.
;)
Good luck. Please don't make a groundless RMA since it would be immoral, illegal, and jack up the prices for Intel products for the rest of us.
don't make a groundless RMA since it would be immoral, illegal, and jack up the prices for Intel products for the rest of us. wow buddy back the heck off. i have 30 days after buying anything in the united states to return it. my chip comes on monday, and if i pop that thing in, apply thermal paste and run it at 5.0ghz new egg will give me a problem. 30 days. General Policy These are Newegg.com’s (“Newegg”, “we” or “our”) Standard Return Policies applicable only to products purchased by you directly from the Newegg.com website. - All product returns require a Return Merchandise Authorization (RMA) number. You may obtain an RMA number by contacting Newegg Customer Service through any of the methods provided at www.newegg.com/HelpInfo/CustomerService.aspx.
- Products that are not eligible for return and will be sent back to you at your cost and expense if received by us:
- Any product not purchased from Newegg.com
- Any product without a valid, readable serial number, including but not limited to products with missing, damaged, altered, or otherwise unreadable serial number
- Any product that is returned without all original packaging and accessories, including the retail box, manuals, cables, and all other items originally included with the product
- Any product from which the UPC code has been removed from its packaging
- Any product that exhibits physical damage
- Any product for which you have submitted a mail-in rebate
- Any CPU that is physically damaged
- Improper installation of CPU fans and/or improper clocking may cause CPUs to chip. CPUs that are chipped, burnt or have bent/broken pins are considered physically damaged and cannot be returned for refund or replacement. Physical damage includes (but is not limited to) improper handling and any other type of damage sustained by irregular use.
i made the clocking part bold.
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Re:i7 975 VS i7 960
2009/11/28 18:05:11
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and dont bold the irregular use part because the improper clocking statement voids any type of irregular use as clocking.
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Re:i7 975 VS i7 960
2009/11/28 18:22:51
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I returned a 3570 dud to new egg. They charged a 10% restocking fee. "Products that state "This item is covered by Newegg.com's Replacement Only 30-Day Return Policy", or items labeled as “Non-refundable” (or similar labeling) must be returned to Newegg within 30 days of the invoice date for this policy to apply. Products covered by this return policy may only be returned for a replacement of the same or equivalent item. “Return” constitutes receipt of the product by Newegg, and not the mere issuance of an RMA." Now if you spend a lot with them as I do they will let you return it with a 10% restocking fee. But not exchange a 960 for a 975 and then give you the difference back. I tried. My experience with EE chips is not really worth the extra$. They do not overclock any higher, only give more options of how you do it.
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Re:i7 975 VS i7 960
2009/11/28 19:59:05
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^Exactly.
For the majority of retailers, there is nothing in place which allows you to return a CPU just because you decide you no longer want it. There are a few local retailers (not online e-tailers) such as Fry's who allow return within 15 days for any reason, but those sort of policies are in the minority.
Good luck.
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Re:i7 975 VS i7 960
2009/11/28 20:03:21
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yeah i hope i get a good one. if i dont i think i will return the 975Ee and just go with a 960, maybe spend the rest on some crazy over priced SSD, or water cool the rest of my computer.
Under what pretense do you plan on returning the chip? I want to know under the warranty and return policy, what specifically allows you to return the chip just due to a change in opinion.
If you bought the chip from a local retailer, you may be able to legitimately return the chip under the policy for some store's limited day return policy.
Otherwise, you have no grounds for returning the chip. The chip cannot be returned as defective unless it is defective. Also, the warranty on the chip is technically void by not using the stock Intel Heatsink/Fan which came with the chip.
;)
Good luck. Please don't make a groundless RMA since it would be immoral, illegal, and jack up the prices for Intel products for the rest of us.
don't make a groundless RMA since it would be immoral, illegal, and jack up the prices for Intel products for the rest of us.
wow buddy back the heck off. i have 30 days after buying anything in the united states to return it. my chip comes on monday, and if i pop that thing in, apply thermal paste and run it at 5.0ghz new egg will give me a problem.
30 days.
General Policy
These are Newegg.com’s (“Newegg”, “we” or “our”) Standard Return Policies applicable only to products purchased by you directly from the Newegg.com website.
- All product returns require a Return Merchandise Authorization (RMA) number. You may obtain an RMA number by contacting Newegg Customer Service through any of the methods provided at www.newegg.com/HelpInfo/CustomerService.aspx.
- Products that are not eligible for return and will be sent back to you at your cost and expense if received by us:
- Any product not purchased from Newegg.com
- Any product without a valid, readable serial number, including but not limited to products with missing, damaged, altered, or otherwise unreadable serial number
- Any product that is returned without all original packaging and accessories, including the retail box, manuals, cables, and all other items originally included with the product
- Any product from which the UPC code has been removed from its packaging
- Any product that exhibits physical damage
- Any product for which you have submitted a mail-in rebate
- Any CPU that is physically damaged
- Improper installation of CPU fans and/or improper clocking may cause CPUs to chip. CPUs that are chipped, burnt or have bent/broken pins are considered physically damaged and cannot be returned for refund or replacement. Physical damage includes (but is not limited to) improper handling and any other type of damage sustained by irregular use.
i made the clocking part bold.
Huh? I am confused. So we agree that you cannot return the chip to NewEgg unless it is defective? We agree that there is no way that you can return the 975 and get a 960 instead? I am very puzzled by your response; especially since you said earlier that you planned to test the 975 and then swap it for a 960.
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Re:i7 975 VS i7 960
2009/11/28 20:15:33
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http://download.intel.com/support/processors/sb/english_3yr_warranty.pdf ...
"Intel warrants to the purchaser of the Product (defined herein as the boxed Intel® processor and the accompanying thermal solution)"
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"damage to the Product due to external causes, including accident, problems with electrical
power, abnormal electrical, mechanical or environmental conditions, usage not in accordance with product instructions, misuse, neglect, alteration, repair, improper installation, or improper testing; OR any Product which has been modified or operated outside of Intel’s publicly available specifications or where the original identifi cation markings (trademark or serial number) has been removed, altered or obliterated from the Product."
So, if you place the processor in your computer and run it without the included Intel heatsink and fan, you void the warranty and give up your right to have the processor replaced under any circumstance. You further confirm your dedication to the ownership of the processor by overclocking it.
So we have layed out that under the above conditions it is impossible to return the processor. Even if the processor is defective or you simply decided you don't want it any more, you can't return it.
If you decide that you don't care about the law, you still can't return it for a different processor due to what awalleyeguy said.
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Re:i7 975 VS i7 960
2009/11/28 20:34:15
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.. sorry...
Don't mean to be a pain. I'm done with the guilt trip and the assumptions.
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Re:i7 975 VS i7 960
2009/11/29 08:17:53
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yeah well i didnt buy it from intel. i got the thing from newegg dot com. so yes i can still return this thing if i hate it.
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Re:i7 975 VS i7 960
2009/11/29 10:00:04
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Re:i7 975 VS i7 960
2009/11/29 15:06:03
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yeah well i didnt buy it from intel. i got the thing from newegg dot com. so yes i can still return this thing if i hate it.
Umm, no you can't. I said I was done and I don't know why I am saying this again, but you must not have understood. As stated by NewEgg's and Intel's policy, you lose your rights to return the chip by overclocking it and not using the proper heatsink. NewEgg's policy follows Intel's policy. Compare the two policies; they say the same thing just in different words. Neither one gives you the right to return the processor after you overclock it and use an aftermarket heatsink/waterblock. NewEgg
Improper installation [use] of CPU fans ...
improper clocking ...
irregular use.
Intel
processor and the accompanying thermal solution ...
usage not in accordance with product instructions ...
testing ...
operated outside of Intel’s publicly available specifications
Regardless of whether you feel you should follow the law, you still can't exchange one CPU for another through Newegg; at least not without a penalty and some serious sucking up.
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Re:i7 975 VS i7 960
2009/11/29 15:43:30
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sucking up i can do. over 10K spent on that site from 2006 to 2009.
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Re:i7 975 VS i7 960
2009/11/29 20:58:53
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Okay, so you're out of luck on returning it. If you disable cores/threads you don't use/need yet, that drops the heat load. Simulate a dual- or single-core, trying overclocking with it. Experiment with programs you run on a daily basis on what combination works best, with the 975 you have more variables of flexibility than the rest of us. Right now I'm simulating a dual-core, 133 x 19 with no HT or Turbo. For most of what I do I can't tell a difference except for a 10-deg temp drop, for games there is a 20% drop in FPS rates, but that could be due to the clockspeed drop, I used to run it at 170 x 20 daily. With 975, if you wanted, you could raise the multi to 30 and drop the Bclk to 111 and still have 3.33Ghz stock but see how your stuff performs. You could really play with it, at least I'd have fun with it if I had it. Paying $1k, not ready yet. 
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Re:i7 975 VS i7 960
2009/11/30 07:39:45
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You can't lower the base clock lower than 133MHz Lehpron. I wish you could. I so very badly wish that you could. Oh well.
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