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Re: Z690 Dark USA launch date?
2022/02/15 12:20:16
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Is there a ddr5 compatibility list somewhere? Browsing but haven’t found it yet.
The likelyhood is that all non-ECC/Enterprise unbuffered DDR5 memory is compatible. Whenever there is a new DDR standard released, the timings and speed start out very modest. Then you eventually get to a point later on when only a few motherboards can keep up with certain speeds.
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Re: Z690 Dark USA launch date?
2022/02/15 23:47:25
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Re: Z690 Dark USA launch date?
2022/02/16 04:43:26
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Excited but scared. The Classy is $630. The KP will probably be near $800, and I'm not sure I'd like to go that high price. It just makes me wonder how far can you really go with the KP.
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Re: Z690 Dark USA launch date?
2022/02/16 05:16:53
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Kingpin can go really high from the looks of the scores posted. That’s if you use the board and push it like it’s made for.
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Re: Z690 Dark USA launch date?
2022/02/16 05:27:09
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Kingpin can go really high from the looks of the scores posted. That’s if you use the board and push it like it’s made for.
Is it worth it just staying on water, though? On water I see people pushing their 12900 to near 100c. So I'm like welp if the Kingpin really lets you get further, maybe it's just worth it when only using more exotic cooling methods?
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Re: Z690 Dark USA launch date?
2022/02/16 05:46:29
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Kingpin can go really high from the looks of the scores posted. That’s if you use the board and push it like it’s made for.
Is it worth it just staying on water, though? On water I see people pushing their 12900 to near 100c. So I'm like welp if the Kingpin really lets you get further, maybe it's just worth it when only using more exotic cooling methods?
That's were the 12900 throttles so you want to stay below that with better cooling. With water cooling the Classified gets me 29632 max score in Cinebench R23 using 350W with some cores topping out at 100. Yes, KP only worth it if you want to push the limits, which is fun.
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Re: Z690 Dark USA launch date?
2022/02/16 05:56:31
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Kingpin can go really high from the looks of the scores posted. That’s if you use the board and push it like it’s made for.
Is it worth it just staying on water, though? On water I see people pushing their 12900 to near 100c. So I'm like welp if the Kingpin really lets you get further, maybe it's just worth it when only using more exotic cooling methods?
That's were the 12900 throttles so you want to stay below that with better cooling. With water cooling the Classified gets me 29632 max score in Cinebench R23 using 350W with some cores topping out at 100. Yes, KP only worth it if you want to push the limits, which is fun.
Oh I don't mind pushing limits! I once had my 3770k at 4.7ghz on water with what felt like weeks of tweaking. But after 5+ years my system had a brain fart, I had to reset the bios, and I never bothered again to hunt for the perfect settings to get to 4.7. So I stayed complacent at 4.5. If pushing limits means needing to go with exotic cooling methods on the Kingpin, then I'll probably pass. I mean as it is, I'm going to see a Mount Everest sized difference going from my 3770 to my hybernating 12900.
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Re: Z690 Dark USA launch date?
2022/02/16 06:22:59
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Kingpin can go really high from the looks of the scores posted. That’s if you use the board and push it like it’s made for.
Is it worth it just staying on water, though? On water I see people pushing their 12900 to near 100c. So I'm like welp if the Kingpin really lets you get further, maybe it's just worth it when only using more exotic cooling methods?
That's were the 12900 throttles so you want to stay below that with better cooling. With water cooling the Classified gets me 29632 max score in Cinebench R23 using 350W with some cores topping out at 100. Yes, KP only worth it if you want to push the limits, which is fun.
Oh I don't mind pushing limits! I once had my 3770k at 4.7ghz on water with what felt like weeks of tweaking. But after 5+ years my system had a brain fart, I had to reset the bios, and I never bothered again to hunt for the perfect settings to get to 4.7. So I stayed complacent at 4.5. If pushing limits means needing to go with exotic cooling methods on the Kingpin, then I'll probably pass. I mean as it is, I'm going to see a Mount Everest sized difference going from my 3770 to my hybernating 12900.
Oh no doubt. 10000 points difference in R23 between my 10900K running at 5.2 and the 12900K.
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Re: Z690 Dark USA launch date?
2022/02/16 06:51:01
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It’s up to what you want I’m using the apex right now and asus screwed up these boards. Memory overclocking im sure the kingpin will shine. There’s a ton of performance on ddr5 memory overclocking. This won’t be seen on cinebench. Cpu quality will dictate what the cpu will do more so than the board but memory tweaking the board really is a factor.
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Re: Z690 Dark USA launch date?
2022/02/16 09:10:46
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So Thursday rush to get in the queue! Good luck everyone! AIO should pair up nicely with either this or the classy board.
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Re: Z690 Dark USA launch date?
2022/02/16 09:34:56
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So Thursday rush to get in the queue! Good luck everyone! AIO should pair up nicely with either this or the classy board.
Man o man I hope I can get in on this...good luck all. My 12900KF is collecting dust.
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Re: Z690 Dark USA launch date?
2022/02/16 09:38:59
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So Thursday rush to get in the queue! Good luck everyone! AIO should pair up nicely with either this or the classy board.
Man o man I hope I can get in on this...good luck all. My 12900KF is collecting dust.
I know the feeling. 😐
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Re: Z690 Dark USA launch date?
2022/02/16 11:12:04
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Nice, at least this this time we know the day it's launching. With the X570 Dark series, it just popped up one day.
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Re: Z690 Dark USA launch date?
2022/02/16 12:31:59
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Get ready, it's dropping soon! CENS has finished tweaking DDR5 7200MHz ambient profile for Z690 DARK Kingpin BIOS. 
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Re: Z690 Dark USA launch date?
2022/02/16 12:36:02
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Get ready, it's dropping soon!
CENS has finished tweaking DDR5 7200MHz ambient profile for Z690 DARK Kingpin BIOS.
Oooooooo, may be able to give my 6400 G.Skill DIMMs a workout. Hrmm...may be worth looking into over the Apex.
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Re: Z690 Dark USA launch date?
2022/02/16 12:54:00
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Get ready, it's dropping soon!
CENS has finished tweaking DDR5 7200MHz ambient profile for Z690 DARK Kingpin BIOS.
which DDR5 ram comes with the Hynix sticks? is there some sort of tracker?
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Re: Z690 Dark USA launch date?
2022/02/16 13:05:21
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Braegnok
Get ready, it's dropping soon!
CENS has finished tweaking DDR5 7200MHz ambient profile for Z690 DARK Kingpin BIOS.
which DDR5 ram comes with the Hynix sticks? is there some sort of tracker?
Not that I'm aware of. From my understanding Corsair are typically Hynix. G.Skills vary, but I think above 6000 they may be Hynix as well. There's been some discussion in this thread: https://forums.evga.com/DDR5-m3518445.aspx
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Re: Z690 Dark USA launch date?
2022/02/16 13:09:21
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Braegnok
Get ready, it's dropping soon!
CENS has finished tweaking DDR5 7200MHz ambient profile for Z690 DARK Kingpin BIOS.
which DDR5 ram comes with the Hynix sticks? is there some sort of tracker?
You can tell by the timings and bandwidth 6000 cl36 is Samsung. 6400 is Hynix currently. I’m using the new gskill Hynix 6400 cl32 and it’s pretty fire. Going to be good on my dark board. I had them @ 7000 32-40-40-32 on my apex ad the apex sucks this gen.
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Re: Z690 Dark USA launch date?
2022/02/16 13:27:18
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Braegnok
Get ready, it's dropping soon!
CENS has finished tweaking DDR5 7200MHz ambient profile for Z690 DARK Kingpin BIOS.
which DDR5 ram comes with the Hynix sticks? is there some sort of tracker?
Not that I'm aware of. From my understanding Corsair are typically Hynix. G.Skills vary, but I think above 6000 they may be Hynix as well. There's been some discussion in this thread: https://forums.evga.com/DDR5-m3518445.aspx
thanks...will probably just pickup a couple pair of the g.skill 6400 cl32 sticks to be sure...prices have come out of the clouds anyways
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Re: Z690 Dark USA launch date?
2022/02/16 14:07:33
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Braegnok
Get ready, it's dropping soon!
CENS has finished tweaking DDR5 7200MHz ambient profile for Z690 DARK Kingpin BIOS.
which DDR5 ram comes with the Hynix sticks? is there some sort of tracker?
Not that I'm aware of. From my understanding Corsair are typically Hynix. G.Skills vary, but I think above 6000 they may be Hynix as well. There's been some discussion in this thread: https://forums.evga.com/DDR5-m3518445.aspx
thanks...will probably just pickup a couple pair of the g.skill 6400 cl32 sticks to be sure...prices have come out of the clouds anyways
Thanks. Yeah it does seem like DDR5 is getting back to normalish. I saw some good kits on Newegg yesterday. Kind of want to know if I can get a board before I start getting all of the rest of the gear though.
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Re: Z690 Dark USA launch date?
2022/02/16 14:29:44
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Braegnok
Get ready, it's dropping soon!
CENS has finished tweaking DDR5 7200MHz ambient profile for Z690 DARK Kingpin BIOS.
which DDR5 ram comes with the Hynix sticks? is there some sort of tracker?
Not that I'm aware of. From my understanding Corsair are typically Hynix. G.Skills vary, but I think above 6000 they may be Hynix as well. There's been some discussion in this thread: https://forums.evga.com/DDR5-m3518445.aspx
thanks...will probably just pickup a couple pair of the g.skill 6400 cl32 sticks to be sure...prices have come out of the clouds anyways
Thanks. Yeah it does seem like DDR5 is getting back to normalish. I saw some good kits on Newegg yesterday. Kind of want to know if I can get a board before I start getting all of the rest of the gear though.
I’ve been eyeing it almost every day. I have 1 Patriot 8gb stick for when I get a mb to test. I’m not going full steam ahead with ram till I’m ready to start tweaking.
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Re: Z690 Dark USA launch date?
2022/02/16 14:41:39
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The Oloy 6200s are hynix too, I picked up a set before the price dropped lol. The rgb is pretty fancy on them and they are a mirror finish: https://imgur.com/nzJXcVD
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Re: Z690 Dark USA launch date?
2022/02/16 14:49:27
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Braegnok
Get ready, it's dropping soon!
CENS has finished tweaking DDR5 7200MHz ambient profile for Z690 DARK Kingpin BIOS.
which DDR5 ram comes with the Hynix sticks? is there some sort of tracker?
Not that I'm aware of. From my understanding Corsair are typically Hynix. G.Skills vary, but I think above 6000 they may be Hynix as well. There's been some discussion in this thread: https://forums.evga.com/DDR5-m3518445.aspx
thanks...will probably just pickup a couple pair of the g.skill 6400 cl32 sticks to be sure...prices have come out of the clouds anyways
The G.SKILL 6400 CL32 kit is Hynix.
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Re: Z690 Dark USA launch date?
2022/02/16 14:51:31
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Keep in mind that CPU IMC and RAM ICs matter more than motherboard for ram overclocking so difference between dark, apex, unify-x, etc. not going to be anything magical lol.
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Re: Z690 Dark USA launch date?
2022/02/16 15:04:32
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Keep in mind that CPU IMC and RAM ICs matter more than motherboard for ram overclocking so difference between dark, apex, unify-x, etc. not going to be anything magical lol.
+1  Your going to need a strong IMC to run DDR5 7200MHz. KS tray chips should be in stock 3/3/2022, you can pre-order now for $800.00. https://www.shopblt.com/s...00KS&search=Search
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Re: Z690 Dark USA launch date?
2022/02/16 15:06:25
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I picked up some Team T-Force Deltas DDR5 6400 Model FF3D532G6400HC40BDC01, currently 60 bucks off on newegg. Hopefully they do me right.
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Re: Z690 Dark USA launch date?
2022/02/16 15:07:37
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Keep in mind that CPU IMC and RAM ICs matter more than motherboard for ram overclocking so difference between dark, apex, unify-x, etc. not going to be anything magical lol.
Of course but its still a balance of the 3 and really the only thing you have "control" over is the purchase of your Board.and Memory kits...I cannot speak for the Dark...but the Apex is still one of the best bets (always has been)....IMC is strictly silicon lottery roll of the dice.....Memory Kits you need to research other forums to find "whats working well and what isnt"......so far the Dominator Microns not great...Dom Samsung 5600 pretty good....sounds like Dom Hynix pretty good and GSkill 6400 Hynix pretty good, but not great temps....2 DIMM Boards better than 4 DIMM Boards due to Topography......need to put all the pieces together ;)
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Re: Z690 Dark USA launch date?
2022/02/16 15:22:58
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DEJ915
Keep in mind that CPU IMC and RAM ICs matter more than motherboard for ram overclocking so difference between dark, apex, unify-x, etc. not going to be anything magical lol.
+1
Might need to spend another $800.00 for binned CPU. https://www.shopblt.com/s...00KS&search=Search
I assume there won't be too much more overhead on the 12900KS. Is it too hard to get similar clocks to the KS with the base K? My lazy overclock with the ASUS AI setting gets me 5.3 on all P-cores and 5.5 on the top 3 cores. Not sure the KS is going to be pushing too much beyond that.
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Re: Z690 Dark USA launch date?
2022/02/16 15:43:45
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^^^ With 5.3 all P Cores what kind of Max Temps you hitting w R23.....I was getting around 88c to 90c on a couple of hot cores...the rest around 78c to 88c.....scaling that back to 5.1 all core and 1.2v Im back down to upper 60's ....
My loop is 3 Radiators *9 ...pretty robust cooling.
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Re: Z690 Dark USA launch date?
2022/02/16 15:59:10
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DEJ915
Keep in mind that CPU IMC and RAM ICs matter more than motherboard for ram overclocking so difference between dark, apex, unify-x, etc. not going to be anything magical lol.
+1
Might need to spend another $800.00 for binned CPU. https://www.shopblt.com/s...00KS&search=Search
I assume there won't be too much more overhead on the 12900KS. Is it too hard to get similar clocks to the KS with the base K? My lazy overclock with the ASUS AI setting gets me 5.3 on all P-cores and 5.5 on the top 3 cores. Not sure the KS is going to be pushing too much beyond that.
I agree the P core overhead will tap out for normal users at 5.5 all cores due to heat. My 12900K is SP85 and I can run P cores at 5.4GHz @ 1.35V all core,.. with that voltage it's too hot under full load to be practical for 24/7 usage. Only reason I would risk spending $800 on KS chip would be for stronger IMC, lower voltages,.. I haven't had much luck with 12900K lottery I've bought, tested three so far. 
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