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Has anybody tried running Win 7 Pro 64 on the X299 Dark?
If so, what's the pros and cons?
Thanx ... Chris
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Re: Windows 7 Pro 64 bit on X299 Dark
2018/03/24 19:53:56
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Re: Windows 7 Pro 64 bit on X299 Dark
2018/03/25 07:14:31
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Yeah, I noticed that.
I also found that the drivers web site has drivers for Win7 32 bit, but nothing for Win7 64 bit.
Doesn't make any sense ....
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Re: Windows 7 Pro 64 bit on X299 Dark
2018/03/29 10:37:50
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The X299 Dark does include an ASMedia ASM1061 SATA controller but that does not mean that the motherboard will fully support legacy operating systems. Much of that is out of our control due to Intel and Microsoft dropping full support for operating systems older than Windows 10. What the ASMedia SATA ports 6 and 7 do are allow compatibility with some legacy versions of Windows dating back to Windows XP. It does not mean an older operating system will be fully functional.
The X299 Dark was engineered with competitive overclocking in mind, and some tools can achieve higher scores with a legacy operating system than they can in Windows 10. That ASMedia feature was only meant for benching enthusiasts and not for anyone seeking to run a fully stable legacy work environment. I hope this information helps!
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Re: Windows 7 Pro 64 bit on X299 Dark
2018/03/29 13:26:07
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Hi Adam,
Thanx for the input.
No, it doesn't answer my question.
Let me ask it another way:
Can I run Win7pro64 on an X299 Dark and have it run stable and correctly with all my Win7 apps?
Thanx ... Chris
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Re: Windows 7 Pro 64 bit on X299 Dark
2018/03/29 13:27:29
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Unfortunately not. You might be able to get some programs to run, but the system would not be stable.
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Re: Windows 7 Pro 64 bit on X299 Dark
2018/03/29 13:50:17
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Thanx Adam.
Have you tried Win7-64bit on the X299 Dark?
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Re: Windows 7 Pro 64 bit on X299 Dark
2018/03/30 09:32:41
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I have not tested the X299 Dark with Windows 7, but since the Skylake-X or Kaby Lake-X CPUs do not support anything older than Windows 10, it would be impossible to have full stability due to the CPU support.
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Re: Windows 7 Pro 64 bit on X299 Dark
2018/03/30 16:54:08
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Do you know anybody who has?
I want to know for sure.
Thanx ...
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Re: Windows 7 Pro 64 bit on X299 Dark
2018/03/30 17:57:15
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Re: Windows 7 Pro 64 bit on X299 Dark
2018/03/30 22:00:39
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This doesn't say limited support. 
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Re: Windows 7 Pro 64 bit on X299 Dark
2018/03/31 17:30:35
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nao, Thanx for pointing that out to me. Yes, I had seen it too, but nothing says "Windows 7", which means it may not support Win7. That's how lawyers write their double-talk, contract language to avert corporate liability. Morally speaking, it's LYING, but under the Bronson Rule, it's NOT lying. Anyways ... I've learned over the years that NOTHING in the computer world is as it seems and you can't trust anything they say if it's not EXPRESSLY STATED withOUT qualification. So before dropping $1.5k on hardware, I want to make ABSOLUTELY SURE that the X299 Dark supports Win7Pro64 and apps. Besides, everything I read form MicroSnot says they're giving corporate whoredom till 2020 to switch their hardware and software to the non-Win7 platform. I'm sure any reasonable person can understand my caution, eh?
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Re: Windows 7 Pro 64 bit on X299 Dark
2018/03/31 17:40:07
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We want to keep talk about POTUS off the forum as it can create forum war. In this case though I feel a warning is best since Clinton’s right to practice law was removed.
The real question is why would you need to run Windows 7 over the fully tested and supported Windows 10?
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Re: Windows 7 Pro 64 bit on X299 Dark
2018/03/31 18:10:28
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Hi Hoggle, The reason I want to continue to run Win7Pro64 is b/c I don't want to spend $30k on upgrades to my engineering software. How about you, would you be able to afford that price tag when you're being COERCED (by the corporate criminal syndicates of the public-private partnership) into upgrading to Win10? I disagree about Win10. I found it to be a real PITA to run anything but "approved apps"(!). I also found Win10 to be UNable to run the high-end ported-over programs that I run. Just visit the forums and see what I mean. It will probably take the usual FIVE YEARS before the marketeers fix the Win10 DEFECTS (whether by MicroSnot or the app developers). Plus, Win10 is KNOWN to be one of the biggest PRIVACY VIOLATORS in the world. I can tell stories .... So if anybody in here has anything SUBSTANTIAL to contribute to my INQUIRY, I'd appreciate it. I'm not willing to fork-out the coins to be the guinea pig on this one. ... Anybody??
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Re: Windows 7 Pro 64 bit on X299 Dark
2018/03/31 21:32:04
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NO DON'T get the x299 or anything newer.
Although it may work and it's try at your own risk, which you are not willing to make because of your mission critical software.
Should have mentioned your mission critical software from the beginning.
It is my understanding that Microsoft will no longer support Windows 7 totally including OEM's by mid 2018. Only Windows 10 will be supported on Skylake, Kabylake and anything newer as EVGA_Tech AdamB pretty much stated in post 4.
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Re: Windows 7 Pro 64 bit on X299 Dark
2018/03/31 21:39:06
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Thanx nao,
Too bad nobody has tried Win7.64 on this platform.
Would like to see what they've experienced.
I rely almost exclusively on the experiences of those in forums like these, b/c they're not in the game as sellers of the product (= liars), and they don't have a dog in the fight, so to speak, so I can trust their views when they sound reasonable.
Guess only time will tell!
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Re: Windows 7 Pro 64 bit on X299 Dark
2018/04/01 11:44:26
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One thing I wish to point out to those who are relatively new to the forums is that politics directly or indirectly is not allowed on the forums as well as religion. Those types of posts will be edited or deleted.
I believe no one is running Windows 7 on that platform because Intel and Microsoft don't support it and no one wants to have to worry about instability or a possible security issue. Windows 10 64 runs very well and software keys for it are relatively inexpensive.
I hope someone out on the forums has tried it and can give you some feedback.
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Re: Windows 7 Pro 64 bit on X299 Dark
2018/04/01 12:13:25
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Thanx rj,
But a lotta good it does me to have a stable platform that doesn't support my legacy programs.
Too bad the board mfgrs don't take the initiative to swim upstream in the rigged market, and develop even better boards that work with legacy OS' and apps." The X79 is a perfect example of what they can duplicate, only this time with better functionality, since the EVGA boards were loaded w/problems. This time around they can do it right. Doing so would cater to a segment of users who don't have the coins to upgrade all their apps, esp. those who use the boards for WORK. However, I'm betting there's a ton of politics involved in such a decision.
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Re: Windows 7 Pro 64 bit on X299 Dark
2018/04/01 16:50:35
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have not tried installing, but there is an option in the bios for windows 7 installation. it reads " enable to support windows 7 usb keyboard and mouse operation, due xhci driver not installed by default. after xhci driver installed, disable this item. note: support installation from sata cdrom only."
Based on your specific use case, there might be better options for you out there? also, i've found a lot of engineering software doesnt really take advantage of high core count CPUs, especially autodesk software...
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Re: Windows 7 Pro 64 bit on X299 Dark
2018/04/01 19:54:59
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CB,
Thanx for the info.
I just want to see if anybody is running Win7Pro64 successfully.
I'm glad to see you know about engineering software.
Due to the linear math involved, the 3d modeling engines are exclusively single-threaded.
That's why processor speed is so important in my line of work.
However, when processing scan data in programs like Zbrush, multi-threading comes into play.
Hybrid modeling wants both speed and multiple processors.
The faster the better!
What would you do if you were in my shoes?
Thanx ...
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Re: Windows 7 Pro 64 bit on X299 Dark
2018/04/02 15:06:13
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naokiura
This doesn't say limited support.
Must be a typo.
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Re: Windows 7 Pro 64 bit on X299 Dark
2018/04/03 12:26:41
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I don't think it's a typo, I just don't think anyone on the forum is going to stick their neck out to tell him his high dollar, production critical use case can be fully deployed on this platform under windows 7. Every indication is that you can install windows 7. You will likely be limited to the two legacy sata ports unless you add a pcie sata card. I don't think Intel has released any windows 7 driver support for the other 6 data ports. You will have to use one of the ports for an optical drive initially during install with the appropriate bios option enabled. I imagine the nvme drives would work by adding the right drivers during install but have not tried so this is just a guess. You would probably have to bake the nvme driver's into the installation cd.
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Re: Windows 7 Pro 64 bit on X299 Dark
2018/04/03 12:52:26
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cadman777
Hi Hoggle,
The reason I want to continue to run Win7Pro64 is b/c I don't want to spend $30k on upgrades to my engineering software.
How about you, would you be able to afford that price tag when you're being COERCED (by the corporate criminal syndicates of the public-private partnership) into upgrading to Win10?
I disagree about Win10.
I found it to be a real PITA to run anything but "approved apps"(!).
I also found Win10 to be UNable to run the high-end ported-over programs that I run.
Just visit the forums and see what I mean.
It will probably take the usual FIVE YEARS before the marketeers fix the Win10 DEFECTS (whether by MicroSnot or the app developers).
Plus, Win10 is KNOWN to be one of the biggest PRIVACY VIOLATORS in the world.
I can tell stories ....
So if anybody in here has anything SUBSTANTIAL to contribute to my INQUIRY, I'd appreciate it.
I'm not willing to fork-out the coins to be the guinea pig on this one.
... Anybody??
You've already been told no...how many times do you need to hear it? It sounds to me like all you want to hear is what you want to hear..not the truth. Gee..that sounds familiar...hmm
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Re: Windows 7 Pro 64 bit on X299 Dark
2018/04/03 14:07:22
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The addition of the ASMedia Controller on this motherboard was added at the request of K|ngp|n to allow certain legacy benchmarking applications to run on the board; unfortunately Windows 7 has not been officially tested, and we cannot guarantee that all functions will work correctly.
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Re: Windows 7 Pro 64 bit on X299 Dark
2018/04/03 15:18:15
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Thanx cb, appreciate the info.
Thanx for the info Brandon.
Unless and until someone else does what I'm not going to spend money doing, and tells me that it will or will not work in reality (not in theory), guess I'll have to buy a used Asus X79 board (Deluxe or Sabertooth) and run my apps till I can prove otherwise, which may take some time due to scheduling and resources.
Thanx for the help.
Wish it was more conclusive.
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Re: Windows 7 Pro 64 bit on X299 Dark
2018/04/03 16:54:29
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W7 64Bit works fine on all X299 boards...
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Re: Windows 7 Pro 64 bit on X299 Dark
2018/04/03 19:59:03
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Gun,
Thanx.
Do you know this b/c you're doing it?
Where did you get the drivers from for Win7.64?
The drivers on the EVGA support page are labeled for Win10.64.
Thanx ...
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Re: Windows 7 Pro 64 bit on X299 Dark
2018/04/03 23:01:13
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I used to mine. Now I compute.
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Re: Windows 7 Pro 64 bit on X299 Dark
2018/04/03 23:31:51
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cadman777
Thanx rj,
But a lotta good it does me to have a stable platform that doesn't support my legacy programs.
Too bad the board mfgrs don't take the initiative to swim upstream in the rigged market, and develop even better boards that work with legacy OS' and apps." The X79 is a perfect example of what they can duplicate, only this time with better functionality, since the EVGA boards were loaded w/problems. This time around they can do it right. Doing so would cater to a segment of users who don't have the coins to upgrade all their apps, esp. those who use the boards for WORK. However, I'm betting there's a ton of politics involved in such a decision.
Windows 10 compatibility mode does a great job running my legacy software. As a small example the original Crysis from 2007 runs fine on compatibility mode from my old Crysis DVD/CD, (so long as you also have the original Crysis patches also installed)
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Re: Windows 7 Pro 64 bit on X299 Dark
2018/04/04 04:34:22
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cadman777
Gun,
Thanx.
Do you know this b/c you're doing it?
Where did you get the drivers from for Win7.64?
The drivers on the EVGA support page are labeled for Win10.64.
Thanx ...
Yes, been using W7 since launch. Try using the LAN driver from X99 series, more than likely its the same hardware. Windows should figure out the rest of the drivers on it's own.
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