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Watch youtube Framechasers last video. I have experienced same thing I have 3090ti FTW 3 Ultra max oc 2175, mem artifacts at +800 my sons 3090ti FTW 3 Black, which is $200 cheaper, runs 2255 and +1300 on ram stable. We play the same games, same systems same 1200w power supplies. I was under the impression the FTW3 Ultra were higher bins but apparently its a very common occurrence.

yeah i mean they're both GA102 the ftw3 ultra just has a higher factory oc applied and that's what it's tested for
 
they're not going to make any guarantees that you can oc card a or b higher than the other. you want binned for highest performance, kingpin. even then the max core and mem oc varies between kingpins

zippytek
yeah i mean they're both GA102 the ftw3 ultra just has a higher factory oc applied and that's what it's tested for
 
they're not going to make any guarantees that you can oc card a or b higher than the other. you want binned for highest performance, kingpin. even then the max core and mem oc varies between kingpins

I am sure professional golfers, race car drivers or tennis stars can tell the difference between equipment that they are using. 

You can set whatever ya want as an overclock though the card will downclock due to power,voltage and temp.

What's the clocks like on ea card during benches and games?

I can clock my 3090 ftw3 ultra to 2205mhz for kicks but as soon as I bench its kicked down to 1830mhz dew to power limit that starts at 420watts at 100% load.

I've also now hear that the ftw3 ultra has alot of limits in place to make sure it can't compete with a Kingpin... unlike the cheaper models that don't have crap (limits) in place.

Makes it really hard the next round to decide which to buy now haha.. Thr choice used to be clear thx Evga!

I could see 5% difference in a $2000+ card due to silicon lottery but this is more like 10% performance difference at 4k gaming same systems for a higher tier card, that has no bells or whistles AT all different between the two cards. They are exactly the same. Hands down the higher Tier Card should perform better when overclocked, It should be better silicon at this price point.

AHowes

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AHowes
I've also now hear that the ftw3 ultra has alot of limits in place to make sure it can't compete with a Kingpin... unlike the cheaper models that don't have crap (limits) in place.

Makes it really hard the next round to decide which to buy now haha.. Thr choice used to be clear thx Evga!

Only the ultra has limits? What? Do tell.

Hard limits in the higher tier cards over the cheap models.. you've experienced it yourself with the 3090ti black card your using with strix bios ;)

10amp fuses in the 3090 ftw3 ultra to prevent shunt use.. while other brands use 20amp.

Wow. Glad I don’t have any fuses then. 😎

AHowes

Sajin

AHowes
I've also now hear that the ftw3 ultra has alot of limits in place to make sure it can't compete with a Kingpin... unlike the cheaper models that don't have crap (limits) in place.

Makes it really hard the next round to decide which to buy now haha.. Thr choice used to be clear thx Evga!

Only the ultra has limits? What? Do tell.

Hard limits in the higher tier cards over the cheap models.. you've experienced it yourself with the 3090ti black card your using with strix bios ;)

10amp fuses in the 3090 ftw3 ultra to prevent shunt use.. while other brands use 20amp.

20 amps on the 8pins. 8 amps on the PCIE for the rev 1.0 cards. Same as my 3080ti FTW3. You can pull 600w with an XOC bios without blowing a fuse. No need to shunt.

Sajin

AHowes

Sajin

AHowes
I've also now hear that the ftw3 ultra has alot of limits in place to make sure it can't compete with a Kingpin... unlike the cheaper models that don't have crap (limits) in place.

Makes it really hard the next round to decide which to buy now haha.. Thr choice used to be clear thx Evga!

Only the ultra has limits? What? Do tell.

Hard limits in the higher tier cards over the cheap models.. you've experienced it yourself with the 3090ti black card your using with strix bios ;)

10amp fuses in the 3090 ftw3 ultra to prevent shunt use.. while other brands use 20amp.

Wow. Glad I don’t have any fuses then. 😎

Fuse bypass?

evalentine1973
Watch youtube Framechasers last video. I have experienced same thing I have 3090ti FTW 3 Ultra max oc 2175, mem artifacts at +800 my sons 3090ti FTW 3 Black, which is $200 cheaper, runs 2255 and +1300 on ram stable. We play the same games, same systems same 1200w power supplies. I was under the impression the FTW3 Ultra were higher bins but apparently its a very common occurrence.

Count your blessings , that's WAY better than anything I have seen, My FTW3 Ti gaming can only do 2100 +800m , AND my KPE only topped out at only 2175 +1300m on the AIO and was no where near stable at that speed.

AHowes


Oh even worse? Ya say 8 amp for the pcie?

Yeah well frame chasers on youtube is claiming that the unbalanced 8pin connectors are a reason why cards like mine cant go farther then 450watts. And that it's a wattage limit on the pcie connector of around 75watts. When that pulls that much it limits the 8pin connections.

People have been rma'ing their cards due to the unbalance. I'm really not interested in dealing with sending if back and getting a fixed used card. And swapping off and on the dual ek water block and really just using a different bios would be ideal in my situation.. but confused if a bios flash for more power would help since the xoc 500 watt bios don't do crap for mine now.. flashing a Kinpin bios would remove all limits and maybe the way to go.. I'll have to debate it. Haha

Not really.  The newer versions of the cards pull less power on PCIE, so the 8 amp fuse isn't a weaker link than the 20 amp 8pin fuses.  Not to say you wouldn't need to be careful running a 1kw bios though.  Set it to 100% PL and accidentally run something like Kombustor could blow a fuse pretty easily.  The good news is those fuses are slow blow, so they typically won't go in an instant unless you go way over the rating. (ask me how I know, lol)
 
To be fair though, to some extent I agree with what you are saying.  It irks me a lot that the AIB companies try to charge extra money for what amounts to mostly a bios flash.  Even the 3090 Ti is that to some extent.  A lot of the extra performance seen in reviews is from a higher PL, not from higher performing silicone.  Fortunately bios flashing has negated a lot of that.  Hopefully we'll have that option for 40 series too.

Port Royal run at 2115mhz +215 @ .987 + 1400 mem = 14991.. I mean come on!!!

Mostly 0 pwr limit. Max total power was only 438watts.

I could not get more then 446watts for port royal. Default settings or 1.1v or undervolt.

I got a serious handy capped card.

Can Evga send me a Handycapped sticker or my card?

I guess I got the evga 3090 WTH 3 card.

Has anyone had the chance to test the Black, the Ultra, and the FE? Is it possible the FE somehow has by default better odds when it comes to the “silicon lottery”?

evalentine1973
I could see 5% difference in a $2000+ card due to silicon lottery but this is more like 10% performance difference at 4k gaming same systems for a higher tier card, that has no bells or whistles AT all different between the two cards. They are exactly the same. Hands down the higher Tier Card should perform better when overclocked, It should be better silicon at this price point.

The numbers you cited: I have experienced same thing I have 3090ti FTW 3 Ultra max oc 2175, mem artifacts at +800 my sons 3090ti FTW 3 Black, which is $200 cheaper, runs 2255 and +1300 on ram stable  are about 2%.  And as most know, performance never scales 1:1 with clock speed.