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Re: What is going on with EVGA's 3080's tempatures? 2020/10/12 20:19:17 (permalink)
I will add my observations in here.  I initially thought I had a problem with my card and heat as well.  What I found was that it was entirely the airflow feeding my GPU.  

Besides my FTW3 Ultra I have a 3900x, with PBO on, on a 240mm AIO.  I have 2 Pcie SSD's situated in slots 1 (just above the gpu) and slot 2 (just below the gpu).  I run a positive pressure airflow in my case when at idle, and when both my CPU and GPU are at max, it turns into a slightly negative pressure airflow.  All fans are Noctua's 140mm industrial 3000 rpm pwm server fans (I had about 10 extra sitting around from an old server build).  All of this in a Phanteks p600s case (this becomes relevant to testing).  I live in an area that is warm atm, ambient being around 24C in the room my computer is in.  My cases average ambient is around 32 to 34C. Edit: I had just replaced a 1080 Hybrid card.  
 
Originally I had my AIO as intake.  At stock I noticed my gpu hitting around 83C in most benchmarks.  SO I went digging.  I went in to switch my Radiator to a top exhaust.  During this I found that the bottom 140mm fan on the front had stopped working at some time and I had not noticed.  So I replaced that.  After the rad swap to the top and fixing the fan, my temps went down to 77C.  Not quite where I wanted them just yet.  So I did some more digging. I started adjusting my case fan rpm's as they were still set to run with the AIO at the front and a Hybrid GPU.  Originally I had my front intake at about 800rpm.   To make things easiest on myself I maxed them out for a couple benchmark runs (3000 rpm), I also maxed out the GPU fans at 100% (seems to be 3000rpm).  I found my temperatures stabilizing at 65C.  Thus I assumed it was airflow, so I went to adjusting my case fans to what I consider to be my, personally, noise acceptance level.  For my rear exhaust this was 1800rpm. For my 3 front fans this turned out to be 1000-1200 rpm.  For the GPU I found this to be 80ish %.  At this level I find my GPU under stress was hitting 69-72C.  More than acceptable now.  
 
Now as to the case.  I did some additional testing using my case.  For those who don't know, the p600s has a removable top plate and a removable front plate held by magnets to increase the noise reduction the case is capable of.  Behind the front plate is mesh.  Behind that mesh, just in front of the fans is a dust filter.  If I put the top plate and front plate both on, with my fans at the noise adjusted rpm's stated above, my gpu went back up to around 82C.  Taking just the top panel off (exhaust fans passing through a rad) I saw gpu temps hit 79C.  Taking off the front plate saw temps go back down to around 71C.  I took it further though.  I removed the dust filter that sits between the front panel and the front intake fans.  Doing so saw yet another temperature decrease down to 67C.  Sadly I have pets in the house, so a dust filter is a must. 
 
All that to say, that for me, it was definitely an airflow problem.  
 
Also as per Masterkaj above. I've just now run Superposition at stock at 8k optimized with 50% GPU fans.  Running at my optimized case setup as I would for gaming or rendering tasks, I saw a max temp of 75C (current ambient is 25.5c).  Using my baseline Overclock of +125 core and +250 mem (being what I got doing a quick OC in an hour the other night) and power and CPU temp slider being maxed out, my temp maxed out at 77C. But Superposition doesn't stress my cpu at all, so my AIO exhaust doesn't really ramp up. Probably resulting in a positive pressure environment in my case during these tests.  
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Re: What is going on with EVGA's 3080's tempatures? 2020/10/12 21:44:06 (permalink)
I saw this thread and figured I'd run 8k Superposition and post my results as well: 80c was my max w/ fans at 50% (1500 rpm). I have pretty good airflow in my case (CoolerMasterH500). 
 
 
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Re: What is going on with EVGA's 3080's tempatures? 2020/10/12 22:17:25 (permalink)
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Re: What is going on with EVGA's 3080's tempatures? 2020/10/12 23:35:44 (permalink)
The graphic you posted is from the PCWorld review here : 
 
They say in the review that they left the dual bios switch in the normal or "stock" configuration instead of the Overclock config. The OC position would probably have a more aggressive fan curve, the "stock" a quieter one, I imagine.
 
Under the chart they note:
 
"EVGA’s heavy-metal, sensor-laden cooler works. Keeping such a power-hungry GPU limited to just 72 degrees Celsius under maximum load is a stunning achievement. While  was incredibly quiet, the FTW3 Ultra stays silent no matter what you’re doing. You can’t hear it over the case fans and CPU cooler in our system for practical use, nor did it make a peep even with the side panel off. This is a fantastic cooler.
 
It’s worth noting that the FTW3 Ultra’s secondary BIOS increases fan speeds, either to lower temperatures or to give the GPU more thermal headroom for boost clocks, but we didn’t benchmark that configuration. We test graphics cards at stock settings."
 
Looks pretty good to me. And really, with this kind of card you should be using the EVGA Precision software and playing with the fan curves, power delivery, and what not! That is part of the fun of a monster like a FTW 3 Ultra!
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Re: What is going on with EVGA's 3080's tempatures? 2020/10/13 01:12:55 (permalink)
80C for me running the superposition benchmark

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Re: What is going on with EVGA's 3080's tempatures? 2020/10/13 04:01:51 (permalink)
Wow these temps are worrisome. I ran Superposition 8K on a loop for like 20 minutes. I maxed out at 61c. 69% fan speed. Couldn't hear it at all.  Meanwhile people here at posting temps 80c and calling it "fine". While also being 100$ more expensive...
 
Gah, if only I had a FTW3 myself to test. My Tuf results are the same as other Tuf reviews, of which there are a lot. But I see such deltas here.  I love EVGA; but there's no denying based on posts here it runs significantly cooler, which is better for performance and lifespan. Because 70c+, GPU boost starts downclocking your card.

 
 
 

 


 

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Re: What is going on with EVGA's 3080's tempatures? 2020/10/13 04:24:34 (permalink)
We go through this same thread EVERY time there is a GPU release. My FTW3 Ultra on air never goes above 75*C at full load, which for a card consuming this much power is actually kind of amazing. I have a 1000D with 15 fans in it though so airflow is not a problem for me. 
 
These types of threads are almost impossible to get any real data from since everyones case / airflow / fan / ambient temp situation is different. 

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Re: What is going on with EVGA's 3080's tempatures? 2020/10/13 04:41:18 (permalink)
my 80c result was with the previously suggested fan lock at 50% to "normalize" results.
 
with my custom fan curve based on the stealth preset, i can get around 72C at around 70% fan speed in the same benchmark. With default non-OC switch fan curve it seems like the fans stay below 70% even as the temps got into the high 70s. Under most 4k gaming scenarios over 30+ minutes I do not go above 70 at all with my fan curve, and the gpu while not silent is not loud either. 
 
I think the ASUS TUF is performing better because of the separate cold plate design as seen in the teardowns. The FTW3 GPU on the other hand is sharing its cold plate with the GGDR6x chips and that may be contributing to a higher overall GPU temp. 

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Re: What is going on with EVGA's 3080's tempatures? 2020/10/13 05:17:12 (permalink)
When posting temps it is helpful to also say what power limit you are using and if the card is operating on the power limit.  Some lighter loads max out the card's clock and voltage but don't come near the power limit.  
 
Power draw is the biggest driver of temps. 
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Re: What is going on with EVGA's 3080's tempatures? 2020/10/13 05:58:28 (permalink)
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We go through this same thread EVERY time there is a GPU release. My FTW3 Ultra on air never goes above 75*C at full load, which for a card consuming this much power is actually kind of amazing. I have a 1000D with 15 fans in it though so airflow is not a problem for me. 
 
These types of threads are almost impossible to get any real data from since everyones case / airflow / fan / ambient temp situation is different. 


You see no issue with it being 75c, while a card 110$ cheaper never goes above 60?

 
 
 

 


 

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Re: What is going on with EVGA's 3080's tempatures? 2020/10/13 07:01:30 (permalink)
I'm hitting ~60c under load typically.
 
I'm using a Phanteks P500A case with plenty of airflow and running the OC bios.
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Re: What is going on with EVGA's 3080's tempatures? 2020/10/13 07:02:29 (permalink)
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We go through this same thread EVERY time there is a GPU release. My FTW3 Ultra on air never goes above 75*C at full load, which for a card consuming this much power is actually kind of amazing. I have a 1000D with 15 fans in it though so airflow is not a problem for me. 
 
These types of threads are almost impossible to get any real data from since everyones case / airflow / fan / ambient temp situation is different. 


You see no issue with it being 75c, while a card 110$ cheaper never goes above 60?


Not all cards have the same design. Tuf has a " small " (in comparison of the big cooler) heatpipe on the memory around the gpu die. FTW3 and iirc also the XC3 have a copper plate shared by both gpu die and memory. Therefore heat of the gpu die seems to be higher where in fact the overall components temperatures are lower as the cooler is shared by the components. But the memories itself should be colder as they have a way bigger surface area compared to the TUF.

At the end of the day it's sacrificing a bit of gpu die headroom temperature for colder overall components. It's not a bad solution either.
 
As for pricing, it's subjective. EVGA is the only manufacturer I can buy at MSRP price and maybe Amazon as a retailer but it's hard to say they don't have stock so can't see their price, just listed as " unavailable ". But yeah otherwise if we exclude Amazon's prices who might be the normal non inflated MSRP price, then the TUF goes for around 1000+€ here on french retailers while FTW3 Ultra goes for 852€ on EU EVGA Store (and not even counting the 5% rebate associate code which reduces to around 813€).

So yeah EVGA is then 200€ cheaper than any Asus I can get around here. I'll go with the best cheaper faster available card now since EVGA doesn't seem to be that interested in EU Market and rather send to retailers who scam the customers (1100€ is 1300$ fyi meaning almost double the price of the US) instead of using their EU Store that's also not taken care of (still no queueing we keep seeing " Soon " and " No ETA " about the availability of the program OR the stocks). 


If there's a TUF around 800€ on Amazon or lower I'll take it. MSI Trio, same. I don't think I'll go with any other brand though except EVGA. Gigabyte cards seems either disappointing or too expensive for what they are. 
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Re: What is going on with EVGA's 3080's tempatures? 2020/10/13 07:25:52 (permalink)
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So I think if people want to have a more apt comparison for temperatures, we need to run similar benchmarks or stress tests.  A good free one would be Unigine Superposition 8K Optimized and control the settings like Target power 100%, Target Temp 83*C, no overclock, set fan manually to 50%.  This controls for testing variation and limits it to case airflow differences.

 
My result, ambient 22 °C - 86 °C at the end and also still climbing. My boost was also never higher then 1950 Mhz.
 

post edited by andre.w - 2020/10/13 07:32:15
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Re: What is going on with EVGA's 3080's tempatures? 2020/10/13 07:48:02 (permalink)
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Re: What is going on with EVGA's 3080's tempatures? 2020/10/13 08:11:57 (permalink)
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Wow these temps are worrisome. I ran Superposition 8K on a loop for like 20 minutes. I maxed out at 61c. 69% fan speed. Couldn't hear it at all.  Meanwhile people here at posting temps 80c and calling it "fine". While also being 100$ more expensive...
 
Gah, if only I had a FTW3 myself to test. My Tuf results are the same as other Tuf reviews, of which there are a lot. But I see such deltas here.  I love EVGA; but there's no denying based on posts here it runs significantly cooler, which is better for performance and lifespan. Because 70c+, GPU boost starts downclocking your card.




 
We were testing at 50% fan speed... Not 69%...
 
 

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Re: What is going on with EVGA's 3080's tempatures? 2020/10/13 08:28:20 (permalink)
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Look at his temps. That's strix bios? Power limit is higher then 107.



Oof that video is painfully laggy, it's like the 3080 is sucking the performance from his phone

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Re: What is going on with EVGA's 3080's tempatures? 2020/10/13 08:40:19 (permalink)
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Look at his temps. That's strix bios? Power limit is higher then 107.



Oof that video is painfully laggy, it's like the 3080 is sucking the performance from his phone




Funny you mention that.  JayzTwoCents mentioned in one of his recent videos that they were seeing Phone to GPU interference while benchmarking.
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Re: What is going on with EVGA's 3080's tempatures? 2020/10/13 08:48:01 (permalink)
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Try undervolting. Might help the temperature issues.
 
https://wccftech.com/undervolting-ampere-geforce-rtx-3080-hidden-efficiency-potential/




Okay so I did the undervolt last night and it worked AMAZING!
 
950mV 1900mhz target. it hold's 1900-1890mhz and never hit above 68c! Did a long gaming session like this and i'm quite impressed. Before the undervolt I was hitting 80c+

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Re: What is going on with EVGA's 3080's tempatures? 2020/10/13 08:54:01 (permalink)
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Funny you mention that.  JayzTwoCents mentioned in one of his recent videos that they were seeing Phone to GPU interference while benchmarking.




Oh yeah that is crazy stuff, I think it was his wireless microphone? I wonder if that is still happening after the Nvidia driver update. That was an interested drama that heated up about the power filtering caps or whatever they were. 

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Re: What is going on with EVGA's 3080's tempatures? 2020/10/13 09:08:33 (permalink)
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Okay so I did the undervolt last night and it worked AMAZING!
 
950mV 1900mhz target. it hold's 1900-1890mhz and never hit above 68c! Did a long gaming session like this and i'm quite impressed. Before the undervolt I was hitting 80c+




Well i did the same... undervoltet like u, 50% fixed fan and again 83°C (rising) and max 1875 Mhz:
 

 
Edit: Funny at this point... i got more Points as stock Voltage...
 
Second Edit: I have a FTW3 Ultra btw.
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Re: What is going on with EVGA's 3080's tempatures? 2020/10/13 10:33:34 (permalink)
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We go through this same thread EVERY time there is a GPU release. My FTW3 Ultra on air never goes above 75*C at full load, which for a card consuming this much power is actually kind of amazing. I have a 1000D with 15 fans in it though so airflow is not a problem for me. 
 
These types of threads are almost impossible to get any real data from since everyones case / airflow / fan / ambient temp situation is different. 


I agree to an extent, I think the biggest difference is the cooler on the XC is very minimal compared to the FTW3, I think the FTW3 is fine and the XC cant cool at stock settings. 

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Re: What is going on with EVGA's 3080's tempatures? 2020/10/13 11:14:56 (permalink)
Everything stock... pretty good I think? 71c is the hottest I've seen it go (usually in the 60's with the games I'm playing)
 
Once it hits around 70 the clock goes crazy, so may try messing with undervolting/fan curve and see what that does!

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Re: What is going on with EVGA's 3080's tempatures? 2020/10/13 21:28:24 (permalink)
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You see no issue with it being 75c, while a card 110$ cheaper never goes above 60?




Seems like an FTW3 design flaw.  No one should be seeing temps this high when other AIBs are 10-15 degrees cooler.
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Re: What is going on with EVGA's 3080's tempatures? 2020/10/13 21:36:36 (permalink)
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You see no issue with it being 75c, while a card 110$ cheaper never goes above 60?




Seems like an FTW3 design flaw.  No one should be seeing temps this high when other AIBs are 10-15 degrees cooler.


Has anyone tried repasting these GPUs?  Sorry, I didn't want to go back and read 4 pages to potentially find that answer.
 
The reason why I ask:
In the Gamers Nexus video, the teardown of the pre-release review version had super thick/dry thermal paste.  That thick/dry thermal paste is good for long-term consistent thermal performance (like years and years), but doesn't perform well at all compared to high performance thermal pastes.  If you change that thick stuff for some high performance stuff, you should see significant temperature improvements, but the drawback is that you would have to keep changing the thermal past every 6 months or a year in order to maintain that better thermal performance.
 
Now, I don't know if the retail product has the same thick/dry thermal paste, but if the review samples did, the retail ones probably do as well.  Why do I say that?  Well, if they cheated, they would give the review samples the better performing stuff because they wouldn't be worried about long-term thermal performance.  They would never reverse-cheat in the opposite direction.
 
 
Just wondering.  Just theorizing.  Maybe the other AIB cards have much better short-term performance thermal pastes which won't last as long as the stuff EVGA is using.  Just a theory.  Worth exploring, if it hasn't already been explored.

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Re: What is going on with EVGA's 3080's tempatures? 2020/10/13 23:43:41 (permalink)
I think the Asus Tuf specifically cools better because it has a separate heatsink for the memory, the FTW3 uses one copper plate for GPU and memory together.
 
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-3080-tuf-gaming-oc/2.html
 
the 2080ti and 1080ti FTW3 also used design more similar to this

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Re: What is going on with EVGA's 3080's tempatures? 2020/10/13 23:48:45 (permalink)
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Try undervolting. Might help the temperature issues.
 





Okay so I did the undervolt last night and it worked AMAZING!
 
950mV 1900mhz target. it hold's 1900-1890mhz and never hit above 68c! Did a long gaming session like this and i'm quite impressed. Before the undervolt I was hitting 80c+


I had undervolted my FTW3 few days ago. 


Yes, it can drop the temp but also lost some performance;
you may not see difference if the games or benchmarks were not running heavily, but you may see a big drop of FPS in heavy game.
In some cases, I have to re-config the curve for those games one by one to hit the best optimization.


Anyway, it is an option for those who having the temp issue. 
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Re: What is going on with EVGA's 3080's tempatures? 2020/10/13 23:54:49 (permalink)
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 It sounds like a jet engine or something




lol after months of battling my Super black's temps I think that line there should be the catchphrase of any evga fan.    Hybrid or Copper only for me from this day forward.

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Re: What is going on with EVGA's 3080's tempatures? 2020/10/14 00:09:35 (permalink)
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You see no issue with it being 75c, while a card 110$ cheaper never goes above 60?




Seems like an FTW3 design flaw.  No one should be seeing temps this high when other AIBs are 10-15 degrees cooler.


Has anyone tried repasting these GPUs?  Sorry, I didn't want to go back and read 4 pages to potentially find that answer.
 
The reason why I ask:
In the Gamers Nexus video, the teardown of the pre-release review version had super thick/dry thermal paste.  That thick/dry thermal paste is good for long-term consistent thermal performance (like years and years), but doesn't perform well at all compared to high performance thermal pastes.  If you change that thick stuff for some high performance stuff, you should see significant temperature improvements, but the drawback is that you would have to keep changing the thermal past every 6 months or a year in order to maintain that better thermal performance.
 
Now, I don't know if the retail product has the same thick/dry thermal paste, but if the review samples did, the retail ones probably do as well.  Why do I say that?  Well, if they cheated, they would give the review samples the better performing stuff because they wouldn't be worried about long-term thermal performance.  They would never reverse-cheat in the opposite direction.
 
 
Just wondering.  Just theorizing.  Maybe the other AIB cards have much better short-term performance thermal pastes which won't last as long as the stuff EVGA is using.  Just a theory.  Worth exploring, if it hasn't already been explored.


The review sample GamersNexus had was with 6 poscaps, so it could've been quite old at the time they tore it open.
Would love to see how good of a condition a consumer cards thermal paste is.

Still waiting for my card to ship so can't check it myself...
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Re: What is going on with EVGA's 3080's tempatures? 2020/10/14 00:46:15 (permalink)
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We go through this same thread EVERY time there is a GPU release. My FTW3 Ultra on air never goes above 75*C at full load, which for a card consuming this much power is actually kind of amazing. I have a 1000D with 15 fans in it though so airflow is not a problem for me. 
 
These types of threads are almost impossible to get any real data from since everyone's case / airflow / fan / ambient temp situation is different. 




The voice of reason....110% agree.  Case design, fans, airflow, ambient temps, etc, etc......If you want a fair comparison, you need to limit the variations to a minimum.  
 
From what I saw in that one video of that was posted a few times, that youtuber was running ASUS Strix bios on his EVGA card, if I read this all right?  I'd like Jacob to chime in here, but, if that is correct, what would EVGA's warranty stance be if someone wanted to RMA their card for issues and they loaded other AIB's BIOS on the card (assuming you knew about it! ).  Also, in that same video he seems to be running at 71% power target.  I'm going to take an educated guess, THAT is the reason he has lower temps during the test?  It does not make sense to me that ASUS's bios would LOWER the temps that much, unless they are cutting back clocks, power limits or voltage, or any combination of those WITHOUT sacrificing much performance.  If that is true, then EVGA should be able to optimize their BIOS to get better as well.  Just a thought, maybe I'm crazy...it is 4AM here and I need to go to bed!
 
 
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Re: What is going on with EVGA's 3080's tempatures? 2020/10/14 00:48:45 (permalink)
I figured I'd post the temps I'm getting with my uber-air flow setup in case people are curious as to what this GPU runs at under "ideal" conditions with the fans ramping up to 75% and not past that, under load:
 
Idle temps:
 

Note that is with the fans at 0 RPMs.
 
Load temps (used FireStrike Ultra, the first "bubble" of temp increase is the Demo, which is actually pretty taxing and was the hottest part of the test):
 

 
I'm fixing to play a game for a bit, I'll keep an eye on temps and post back, but I'm not expecting to pass 65C, and I game at 3440 x 1440 so it's not exactly a tiny resolution either.
 
Also if anyone's curious about the airflow setup, free Hardware/RGB pron:
 


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