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2018/02/01 11:44:23 (permalink)
I was in the same boat like many Kingpin owners, who wanted to watercool their card, but couldn't get their hands on a Kingpin block because it's constantly out of stock / too expensive etc. But I feel like this card deservers to be at least watercooled to extract some of it's potential. I came up with an effective solution that won't break the bank and something you can also keep the pcb plate on the card!
 
What you need is a EK-VGA Supremacy Bridge Edition some small extentions like Bitspower Adapter 1/4 to cross the distance of the wide Kingpin pcb to make the 90° turn.
 
If you can't finde the Supremacy bridge edition, because it's out of life the non-bridge edition will do, you just need longer extentions to get the desired distance for the wide Kingpin pcb. It really depends on how wide your case is and how your loop is setup ofc.

This block unlike other universal blocks has a mounting bracket with the right spacing that enables you to keep the PCB plate that covers both Vram and the PWR area on the card for structure and cooling.

I recommend adding some sort of direct air flow onto the PWR area of the card to get the best cooling and highest clocks. With that solution temps are way down across the board eventhough it's not a full cover solution because of the fact that now only cool fresh air get's blown onto the components opposed to the pre-heated air from the stock air cooler. I get it that it might not win the beauty award, but if you can't get a hydro copper block for your card what you gonna do?
 
From pretty to cool:

Getting a black fan and black rubber bands would certainly help the aesthetics but it does the job for now and I only had the fugly noctua fan around :D And I feel like in my case where I have up-facing fans in the bottom of the case the additional frankenstein fan on the card wouldn't even be necessary under normal conditions but I want to bench it so I want that extra cooling just in case.
 
Qick test after the mod: 2.202 Mhz/ 1.596 MHz @1.062v

 
Getting a used EK Supremecy Bridge Edition was 30 bucks, plus some small extentions/fittings, well below the 220+ you pay for the hydrocopper block alone, I mean what were they thinking.
Anyway I hope it helps someone to get their kingpin on water, I will say it's well worth it.
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    Re: Watercooling a Kingpin without the HydroCopper block (with results) 2018/02/01 11:47:03 (permalink)
    Nice post. 


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    Re: Watercooling a Kingpin without the HydroCopper block (with results) 2018/02/01 11:49:30 (permalink)
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    Re: Watercooling a Kingpin without the HydroCopper block (with results) 2018/02/01 11:49:39 (permalink)
    Thank you for posting your results

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    Re: Watercooling a Kingpin without the HydroCopper block (with results) 2018/02/01 11:55:02 (permalink)
    Looks Cool


     

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    Re: Watercooling a Kingpin without the HydroCopper block (with results) 2018/02/01 13:40:04 (permalink)
    Thank you thank you! Sadly it doesn't look like that anymore, but at least I get more powwa

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    Re: Watercooling a Kingpin without the HydroCopper block (with results) 2018/02/01 13:45:52 (permalink)
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    I was in the same boat like many Kingpin owners, who wanted to watercool their card, but couldn't get their hands on a Kingpin block because it's constantly out of stock / too expensive etc. But I feel like this card deservers to be at least watercooled to extract some of it's potential. I came up with an effective solution that won't break the bank and something you can also keep the pcb plate on the card!
     
    What you need is a EK-VGA Supremacy Bridge Edition some small extentions like Bitspower Adapter 1/4 to cross the distance of the wide Kingpin pcb to make the 90° turn.
     
    If you can't finde the Supremacy bridge edition, because it's out of life the non-bridge edition will do, you just need longer extentions to get the desired distance for the wide Kingpin pcb. It really depends on how wide your case is and how your loop is setup ofc.

    This block unlike other universal blocks has a mounting bracket with the right spacing that enables you to keep the PCB plate that covers both Vram and the PWR area on the card for structure and cooling.

    I recommend adding some sort of direct air flow onto the PWR area of the card to get the best cooling and highest clocks. With that solution temps are way down across the board eventhough it's not a full cover solution because of the fact that now only cool fresh air get's blown onto the components opposed to the pre-heated air from the stock air cooler. I get it that it might not win the beauty award, but if you can't get a hydro copper block for your card what you gonna do?
     
    From pretty to cool:

    Getting a black fan and black rubber bands would certainly help the aesthetics but it does the job for now and I only had the fugly noctua fan around :D And I feel like in my case where I have up-facing fans in the bottom of the case the additional frankenstein fan on the card wouldn't even be necessary under normal conditions but I want to bench it so I want that extra cooling just in case.
     
    Qick test after the mod: 2.202 Mhz/ 1.596 MHz @1.062v

     
    Getting a used EK Supremecy Bridge Edition was 30 bucks, plus some small extentions/fittings, well below the 220+ you pay for the hydrocopper block alone, I mean what were they thinking.
    Anyway I hope it helps someone to get their kingpin on water, I will say it's well worth it.


    2.202 mhz. Wow just wow. That is impressive.
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    Re: Watercooling a Kingpin without the HydroCopper block (with results) 2018/02/01 13:53:52 (permalink)
    Glad someone's finally done this as I've mentioned it a few times to kingpin owners!

    I've got some really old swiftech universal blocks (3) that would works as well as I've checked the mount bracket long ago on my first 1080.. but decided against it cause it wasn't a evga card with that middle plate to cool the memory and power area.

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    Re: Watercooling a Kingpin without the HydroCopper block (with results) 2018/02/01 13:55:04 (permalink)
    I'd be more helpful as well to show a pic of the sensors after load temps to see how the plate cooling is doing with just the single fan.

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    Re: Watercooling a Kingpin without the HydroCopper block (with results) 2018/02/01 16:29:26 (permalink)
    You are absolutely right! I checked yesterday during benching and everything was great, but you are right, will take a screen next time. For now you have to take my word :P
     
    And if you think about it, when Kingpin (Vince) is overclocking his card on LN2 the card can pull 1200Watt peak and he also only puts a fan on the VRM.
     
    Must say I love this universal cooler, best thing is I can carry it over to the next gpu and the next. Nothing sucks more than to sell your VGA watercooler for like half the price (if lucky) when a new gen is out.
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    Re: Watercooling a Kingpin without the HydroCopper block (with results) 2018/02/01 16:48:46 (permalink)
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    You are absolutely right! I checked yesterday during benching and everything was great, but you are right, will take a screen next time. For now you have to take my word :P
     
    Must say I love this universal cooler, best thing is I can carry it over to the next gpu and the next. Nothing sucks more than to sell your VGA watercooler for like half the price (if lucky) when a new gen is out.


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    Re: Watercooling a Kingpin without the HydroCopper block (with results) 2018/02/01 17:07:24 (permalink)
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    You are absolutely right! I checked yesterday during benching and everything was great, but you are right, will take a screen next time. For now you have to take my word :P
     
    Must say I love this universal cooler, best thing is I can carry it over to the next gpu and the next. Nothing sucks more than to sell your VGA watercooler for like half the price (if lucky) when a new gen is out.


    Great core clock and memory speed on Kingpin


    Thank you, it's a very good sample, I admit. Don't expect every card to be like that. I had 2 others, one was decent, one couldn't even reach the garanteed 2025 Mhz stable.
     
    On the same voltage I would expect around +37.5 Mhz (3 boost steps) more overclock when going from air to water. But I used to get my previous 2.138Mhz on just 1.012v on air, with 1.025v being the max VID of the card. On extreme Bios I could go higher. 2202 on 1.062v.
     
    @1.085v I got 2215 on the card during testing. It was a graphics test only custom run. After pushing for more I had a driver reset and boost tables were messed up I guess since I couldn't get it stable after, leave something to explore for the next session.
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    Re: Watercooling a Kingpin without the HydroCopper block (with results) 2018/02/01 19:17:11 (permalink)
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    You are absolutely right! I checked yesterday during benching and everything was great, but you are right, will take a screen next time. For now you have to take my word :P
     
    And if you think about it, when Kingpin (Vince) is overclocking his card on LN2 the card can pull 1200Watt peak and he also only puts a fan on the VRM.
     
    Must say I love this universal cooler, best thing is I can carry it over to the next gpu and the next. Nothing sucks more than to sell your VGA watercooler for like half the price (if lucky) when a new gen is out.


    No doubt! It's a good place to be with the universal block!

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    Re: Watercooling a Kingpin without the HydroCopper block (with results) 2018/02/02 01:24:03 (permalink)
    Alright, temps after a Time Spy run, no worries!

    The sensors surrounding the GPU core definitely show lower temps than when it was stock air cooled. @100% fanspeed on the stock cooler it used to be 45-50 on memory and pwr sensors after a benchmark run. ofc that was also much louder than the silent noctua fan I use now. One of the reason might be that the heat gets transported away from the core much quicker now on water, so it doesn't spread into the pcb and passes onto the surrounding components that much.
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    Re: Watercooling a Kingpin without the HydroCopper block (with results) 2018/02/02 05:00:01 (permalink)
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    Alright, temps after a Time Spy run, no worries!

    The sensors surrounding the GPU core definitely show lower temps than when it was stock air cooled. @100% fanspeed on the stock cooler it used to be 45-50 on memory and pwr sensors after a benchmark run. ofc that was also much louder than the silent noctua fan I use now. One of the reason might be that the heat gets transported away from the core much quicker now on water, so it doesn't spread into the pcb and passes onto the surrounding components that much.


    Nice! Good science there! Cooler gpu die equals cooler everything else without the head spreading from the gpu.

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    Re: Watercooling a Kingpin without the HydroCopper block (with results) 2018/06/28 09:52:19 (permalink)
    Just wanted to add my homemade cooling solution for this card as well.



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    Re: Watercooling a Kingpin without the HydroCopper block (with results) 2018/06/28 11:25:33 (permalink)



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    Re: Watercooling a Kingpin without the HydroCopper block (with results) 2018/06/28 21:23:41 (permalink)
    Awesome!

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    Re: Watercooling a Kingpin without the HydroCopper block (with results) 2018/06/29 07:32:02 (permalink)
    Thanks guys for sharing alternative watercooling solutions for fellow Kingpin owners! 
     
    Snipes7 your 1080Ti Kingpin would be quite rare to reach those clocks at ambient temps

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    Re: Watercooling a Kingpin without the HydroCopper block (with results) 2018/06/29 10:31:59 (permalink)
    @sajin @AHowes @kill_a_wat
     
    Thanks guys. I was inspired by Snipes7

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    Re: Watercooling a Kingpin without the HydroCopper block (with results) 2018/06/29 11:09:23 (permalink)
    Just wanted to add, as another thread has pointed out, bitspower does make a full cover acrylic / copper (nickel) block for the KP now.

    https://www.bitspower.com...5&products_id=5980

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    Re: Watercooling a Kingpin without the HydroCopper block (with results) 2018/06/29 12:12:55 (permalink)
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    Just wanted to add, as another thread has pointed out, bitspower does make a full cover acrylic / copper (nickel) block for the KP now.

    https://www.bitspower.com...5&products_id=5980

    If you’re going to spend the time and effort...

    Hummm, 5 dollars vs 200+ dollars. I'll have to give it some thought.
     
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    Re: Watercooling a Kingpin without the HydroCopper block (with results) 2018/06/29 13:52:49 (permalink)
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    Just wanted to add, as another thread has pointed out, bitspower does make a full cover acrylic / copper (nickel) block for the KP now.

    https://www.bitspower.com...5&products_id=5980

    If you’re going to spend the time and effort...

    Hummm, 5 dollars vs 200+ dollars. I'll have to give it some thought.
     
    Did this just come out this month? 





    I'd say your overall cooling would be about the same in the end but it would look sexy all lit up ;)

    Also your mem and power area would be way better cooled.

    Shows the info was just updated the 6th of this month so could of just been released.

    If it was me and I had $200 to blow I'd prob do it.

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    Re: Watercooling a Kingpin without the HydroCopper block (with results) 2018/06/30 01:06:19 (permalink)
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    Just wanted to add, as another thread has pointed out, bitspower does make a full cover acrylic / copper (nickel) block for the KP now.

    https://www.bitspower.com...5&products_id=5980

    If you’re going to spend the time and effort...

    Hummm, 5 dollars vs 200+ dollars. I'll have to give it some thought.
     
    Did this just come out this month? 





    I'd say your overall cooling would be about the same in the end but it would look sexy all lit up ;)

    Also your mem and power area would be way better cooled.

    Shows the info was just updated the 6th of this month so could of just been released.

    If it was me and I had $200 to blow I'd prob do it.

    Not really a fan of the Christmas lights. It's kind of why I didn't put in RGB fans on the internal radiator. (The fan on the GPU has a blue light) So i'm still sitting on the RGB lights I have on hold. I may come around at some point.
     
    Now that seems feasible, but if i'm not getting any better numbers then it would seem to be a moot point. (Look good in a few pictures, but crappy performance)
     
    Thanks for the info. Back when I actually was looking for a full coverage block no one had them. So just went with the current solution which seem to do pretty damn well in the rankings.
     
    Will see how long it takes to ship. If they are talking months, then they can keep it. :)
     

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    Re: Watercooling a Kingpin without the HydroCopper block (with results) 2018/07/02 21:51:14 (permalink)
    Was in the same boat as original op. Was pleased with KP performance stock but at some point want to move a multicard setup under water and was not adventurous enough to try anything not specifically fitted.

    Just noticed this card the other day. Bitspower, ekwb and perhaps alphacool would be only vendors I’d trust for custom block.

    Didn’t know how long it’d be offered, so sort of an “investment”.

    Got a nice compact air build now. A custom multi-block loop will be a long, long (not to mention expensive) undertaking...
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    Re: Watercooling a Kingpin without the HydroCopper block (with results) 2018/07/04 18:37:20 (permalink)
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    Okay guys. I'm going with your suggestions along with some friends on NBR. The Xmas Light Extravaganza!
    6 fans plus I went with your suggestion and grabbed the KP Water block. It should all be here next week some time

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    Re: Watercooling a Kingpin without the HydroCopper block (with results) 2018/07/05 03:50:49 (permalink)
    I assume that you are talking about the waterblock for Bitspower?
    May I suggest that if you want to have the christmas lights you will need to order the LED fantasy strip which Bitspower offers. I just got my waterblock through and will be fitting it tonight, however, I don't have the LED strip due to the block not including it built in. It's good for those who don't want it lit up like me but bad if you want the lights as they are an additional feature which you have to buy.
    Enjoy the cool temperatures when it arrives.
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    Re: Watercooling a Kingpin without the HydroCopper block (with results) 2018/07/05 07:26:58 (permalink)
    That's bad that it's an extra cost :/.. same for all ek blocks though

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    Re: Watercooling a Kingpin without the HydroCopper block (with results) 2018/07/05 08:15:44 (permalink)
    alfie796
    I assume that you are talking about the waterblock for Bitspower?
    May I suggest that if you want to have the christmas lights you will need to order the LED fantasy strip which Bitspower offers. I just got my waterblock through and will be fitting it tonight, however, I don't have the LED strip due to the block not including it built in. It's good for those who don't want it lit up like me but bad if you want the lights as they are an additional feature which you have to buy.
    Enjoy the cool temperatures when it arrives.


    Hummm. Do you know the model number since you already order it? Thanks.
     
    PS. I already have cool temps. :)
    AHowes
    That's bad that it's an extra cost :/.. same for all ek blocks though

    Yes, I remember when all that stuff was included. Damn, how times have changed.

    Quit jumping on examples as if they are topics. A favorite forum mistake.
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    Re: Watercooling a Kingpin without the HydroCopper block (with results) 2018/07/05 08:27:10 (permalink)
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    alfie796
    I assume that you are talking about the waterblock for Bitspower?
    May I suggest that if you want to have the christmas lights you will need to order the LED fantasy strip which Bitspower offers. I just got my waterblock through and will be fitting it tonight, however, I don't have the LED strip due to the block not including it built in. It's good for those who don't want it lit up like me but bad if you want the lights as they are an additional feature which you have to buy.
    Enjoy the cool temperatures when it arrives.


    Hummm. Do you know the model number since you already order it? Thanks.
     
    PS. I already have cool temps. :)

     
     
    Which Model number were you after, here are both the block and the two LED strips which Bitspower offer.
    Model Number of the waterblock is BP-VGEV1080TIKE
    Model Number of the DRGB Strip is BP-RTFT200-DRGB
    Model Number of the RGB Strip is BP-RTFT200-RGB
     
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