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2010/09/13 14:52:19 (permalink)
Disclaimer: No video hardware was killed in the making of this thread (but proceed at your own risk).  Doing a volt mod will void your video card's warranty and accidental damage may occur (which I am not responsible for).
 
"Hard Mod" refers to a hardware modification.  It doesn't necessarily mean it is hard to do, just that the modification requires physical modification of the card instead of software.
 
Well, today is the last day before I go back to work (away from home).  I figured as a last hoorah, I would pick up a 'cheap' 9400GT and see how far I could push it.
 
I could not find a vmod guide for this particular 9400GT.  It is a low profile 9400GT with 1GB of memory.  So, I looked up the voltage regulator manufacturer's website and went hunting.  I wasn't sure if the correct pin I wanted was FBL pin 6 or FB pin 4.  I tried pin 6 first and that didn't work.  Then I tried pin 4 and Bingo!
 
To clarify, the vmod is simply a wire soldered on to pin 4 going from pin 4 to a variable resistor (trimming potentiometer) and then going from the other leg of the variable resistor to ground.  Decreasing the resistance of the variable resistor causes voltage at the voltage regulator feedback input to drop.  The voltage regulator senses an artificial lack of voltage and increases core voltage to compensate.
 
In this picture, the vmod is soldered to the wrong pin:
 

 
Here, now I have it soldered to the correct pin:
 

 
Default core voltage is 1.0v.  I am working with 1.375v right now and still the core temperature is staying below 80c.  I am still not sure how far I can overclock it.  I am stress testing it as I type and have still not found the limit of the core and shader.  Core clock is presently 700MHz and shader clock is 1750MHz.
 

 
Hopefully I can find out to some extent the potential of this video card before I go back to work.
 
 
EDIT:
 
After finishing benchmarking the video card, I have secured the vmod wires in place from accidental disruption with liquid tape.  Next, I lapped the heatsink base so that it would make better contact with the GPU core.  Then, I drilled some holes in the heatsink, threaded them with a tap, and screwed in standoffs to increase surface area for better cooling performance.  I also removed those unreliable plastic clips which held down the heatsink and installed metal screws and nuts in their place.  Lastly, I drilled two more holes in the heatsink, threaded them with a tap, and secured the fan to the heatsink with screws instead of zip ties.
 
Glamour shots:
 

 

 

 

 
 
 
 
See?  Anyone can do these things.  I definately recommend starting this sort of practice on similarily inexpensive video cards before advancing to more expensive and temperamental video cards.  Low power video cards such as this 9400GT will take a lot more abuse than high power video cards and will accept a lot more core voltage with just basic cooling. 
  
  
  
  
 5450 Volt Mod:
 
 
 
x600xt Volt Mod:

 
 
8400GS Volt Mod:

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    Re:9400GT Vmod 2010/09/13 15:21:57 (permalink)
    Working on 850/1950/625 and still going...
     
    Stock is 550/1400/400.
     
    EDIT: 850Mhz core, 2000Mhz shader, and 625Mhz memory is a good stopping point.  I could squeeze another 15-25Mhz out of each of those, but I want to not worry about stability while I do my first round of benchmarking.  At some later time, I want to try 1.4v and higher and see how far I can really push the card before it breaks.
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    Re:9400GT Vmod 2010/09/13 15:30:26 (permalink)
    looking good have you tried any benches yet?? Gold in vantage looks very obtainable for you. Specially if you find a memory mod. Current first places clocks are 925/570 so I am guessing when you hit a wall you can lower mem clock to give you more core clock headroom.
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    Re:9400GT Vmod 2010/09/13 15:35:16 (permalink)
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    looking good have you tried any benches yet??


    As we speak.

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    Re:9400GT Vmod 2010/09/13 16:13:25 (permalink)
    I think I have second place on hwbot in Vantage with room to expand.
     
    EDIT:  Where can I get a copy of 3dmark 2001 at?
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    Re:9400GT Vmod 2010/09/13 16:19:03 (permalink)
    good show
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    Re:9400GT Vmod 2010/09/13 17:01:44 (permalink)
    Mua ha ha ha ha!
     

     
    ^Click
     
    I need a faster CPU for many of those tests.  So, where can I get a copy of 3dmark 2001 from?

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    Re:9400GT Vmod 2010/09/13 17:42:31 (permalink)
    Just google whatever you need. I got all of the free benches from Guru3d. 01,03,05,06 etc.

    http://downloads.guru3d.com/3DMark-2001-SE-build-330-download-320.html





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    Re:9400GT Vmod 2010/09/13 18:19:02 (permalink)
    Way to go!!!! 2001 is kind of a buzzkill on 1366 but give it a go.
    Looks like you can rework your overclock on your cpu. You get a nice boost in points when you hit 4.2 try and lower your multi and bring up your bclk. If you can pass vantage @ 1.47 on regular water then I dont see why we cant get you up to 4.4 or 4.6
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    Re:9400GT Vmod 2010/09/13 18:50:17 (permalink)

     
    With HT off, the highest I can pass Vantage at is 4144Mhz (31x multi) and with HT on, the highest I can pass Vantage at is 4010Mhz (30x multi).  I can pass 3dmark 03, 05, and 06 with one multiplier higher.  I may have to try messing around with increasing the bclock a bit to find a max stable speed somewhere between those multipliers.

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    Re:9400GT Vmod 2010/09/13 19:05:15 (permalink)
    I would leave ht on for vantage runs for sure. I would also consider redoing your overclock. Like you said I think it would do you more good to raise the bclk not the multi I find it hard to beleave your chip hit its wall right there ya know. Congrats on the booming entrance to hwbot.
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    Re:9400GT Vmod 2010/09/13 19:39:07 (permalink)
    Yes!
     
    I just got first place on Vantage in the HwBot 9400GT class.  And it was by a pretty huge margin.  I just bumped up base clock like Reggie suggested and then it happened.
     

     
    http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dmv=2515742
     
    http://hwbot.org/community/submission/1052936_ty_ger07_3dmark_vantage___performance_geforce_9400_gt_ddr2_1928_marks?new=true
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    Re:9400GT Vmod 2010/09/13 20:05:21 (permalink)
    very nice, it all helps the boost in your RAM plays a pretty huge role in vantage too.
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    Re:9400GT Vmod 2010/09/14 09:33:17 (permalink)
    9400GT + Volt Mod + Cooling Mod + Fan Controller Mod ?
     
    Why not?  My wacky creations have combined and are now evolving at an accelerated pace.
     
    Loud fan meets sanity.
     

     

     

     
    This humble 9400GT now takes up four slots! 
     
     
     
     
     
    Now, can I get a BR to encourage me to buy and mod some B-Stock video cards?
     
    I have a B-stock 6600 coming using my remaining 10 EVGA bucks + my own.
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    Re:9400GT Vmod 2010/09/14 09:49:38 (permalink)
    LOL.  I'd give you one if I could...
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    Re:9400GT Vmod 2010/09/14 14:08:03 (permalink)
    I have boughten a 6600 and a 7300GT on B-Stock; and they will be awaiting my return im a couple of weeks.

    I would really like to buy a GT 240, but the b-stock price is higher than retail!?
     
    Oh, and YerBuddy, you made a comment in another thread that you were surprised I had time to do all these things.  Well, you don't know all that I neglect to do in other aspects of life.  These things I enjoy doing and I must take time to get some joy out of life.

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    Re:9400GT Vmod 2010/09/16 16:48:50 (permalink)
    Nice job on your Vmod

    Would like to have seen better solder points on the card tho, I understand the fb 4 pin but lost me on where to go after that haha

    Also what are you using for a Vreg heat-sink looks like the fan to your rad would be in the way of the stock sink?


     
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    Re:9400GT Vmod 2010/09/16 17:09:28 (permalink)
    The card didn't have any vreg heatsinks on it.  Honestly, I was not too concerned about the longevity of the card since I was more interested in pushing the card to its limits and running it until it broke.  Turns out it is hard to break.  I pushed the core voltage to 1.45v and it still works.  I found that more than 1.4v didn't unlock any performance and just made it run hotter.
     
    But if you were concerned about card lifetime, additional cooling would be a consideration.
     
    I am typing this from my phone.  When I get back to the hotel, I can draw up a little guide and be more detailed.
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    Re:9400GT Vmod 2010/09/16 18:56:31 (permalink)
    Actually I meant the Vreg on your on 758 mobo sorry for the confusion...

    Taking a better look at the pictures I can now see the voltage regulator zip tied to the back of the card, couldn't see it before.
    Where are you getting the 9400 gpu voltage read from the voltage regulator or some point on the card it's self?

    Thinking about doing my own vmod to another card I have. 


     
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    Re:9400GT Vmod 2010/09/16 20:41:33 (permalink)
    threedhero

    Actually I meant the Vreg on your on 758 mobo sorry for the confusion...

    Taking a better look at the pictures I can now see the voltage regulator zip tied to the back of the card, couldn't see it before.
    Where are you getting the 9400 gpu voltage read from the voltage regulator or some point on the card it's self?

    Thinking about doing my own vmod to another card I have. 

     
    No problem.
     
    Well, the huge fan provides no clearance issues with the motherboard NB heatsink since it is facing downwards towards the PSU not upwards towards the NB.
     
    And the "voltage regulator" which I have zip tied to the card is a variable resistor.  It is called a trimming potentiometer.  Its resistance is variable from 10,000 ohms down to less than 100 ohms.  Turning the screw changes the resistance by about 650 ohms for each full turn.
     
    Like I said, I was not really intending for this thread to be a guide from the start since volt modding a 9400GT is not a high priority for most considering that it isn't really a high performance card in the first place.  Not too many people are interested in getting every last bit of performance out of such a low performing card.
     
    That being said, I am no expert on the subject, but I have volt modded a handful of various models of NVIDIA cards and will gladly write up a general how-to for generic cards which can give you a head-start into the process.  I will draw up some things and post back with more details.


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    Re:9400GT Vmod 2010/09/16 21:12:17 (permalink)
    Sweet work man!

    Wanna take a close up of the chip you soldered to? I have a 9400gt, but not the same card, but maybe it has the same chip for the vmod?

    Also, what cards have you vmodded? I have some here that i would want to vmod for benching (max oc's on stock voltage aren't amazing), i just need a good guide. (8800gtx, 8800gs, 9400gt, x600xt)
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    Re:9400GT Vmod 2010/09/16 22:22:40 (permalink)
    Alright, I will provide this information in a very simplified and general form.  I cannot be specific to any single video card since I don't know which video card the person owns for which they are doing this research.  My illustrations will therefore focus only on the primary items.
     
    The primary items for this topic are the power input, the MOSFET(s), the voltage regulation chip, the filtering device, the GPU core, the variable resistor used to perform this modification, and the ground.  The whole circuit which supplies the voltage to the core is controlled by pulse width modulated voltage ("PWM").  The input to the card is +12v while the core is usually designed to only function on 1.0v to 1.2v.  Therefore, it is necessary to reduce the 12v input to a lower voltage.
     
    Here is a simple video card voltage regulation circuit:

     
    Pulse width modulation works on the theory of duty cycle.  Consider that you have 12v coming to a switch and you flip the switch with your finger at an extremely rapid rate on and off.  Let's say that you flip it on in off at a rhythm which makes the switch on for the same amount of time that it is off.  This rate would equate to a duty cycle of 50% since the switch is on for 50% of the time and off for 50% of the time.  Now, lets say that the output of the switch goes to a filtering device which smooths out the spikes of on and off into a solid source of power.  How much power would come out of the filter?  6v.  By adjusting how much time you leave the switch on versus how much time you leave the switch off, you can change the duty cycle of your circuit and thus change the output of the filtered voltage.  If you had the switch on for only 25% of the time (25% duty cycle), the voltage output from the filter would be 3v (12 / 4).
     
    12v power comes into the card and goes to both the MOSFETs and the Voltage regulation chip.  The voltage regulation chip is the one responsible for controlling the MOSFETs.  It provides a pulse width modulated input to the MOSFETs.  The MOSFETs are simply heavy duty switches which can handle quite a bit of power going through them without burning up; they don't control the circuit for the most part, they only do what they are told to do by the voltage regulator chip.
     
    The output from the MOSFETs goes to filters which smooth out the on and off spikes into a steady voltage which is provided to the GPU core.  But, some of the output from the filters is fed back to the voltage regulator chip.  In this way, the circuit is a closed loop circuit.  The voltage regulator chip tells the MOSFETs to do something, then it monitors the output and adjusts its commands as necessary until the output is what the voltage regulator chip is looking for.
     
     
     
    So how do we increase the core voltage?  Well, we have to make the voltage regulator chip tell the MOSFETs to stay "on" longer (increase duty cycle).  How do we do that?  We trick the voltage regulator chip into thinking that the filtered output voltage is lower than it actually is.  Almost always there is some form of resistance between the filtered output and the voltage regulator feedback input and we use this to our advantage.
     
    Here is a simple video card volt mod:

     
    What we do is attach a variable resistor between the voltage regulator feedback circuit and ground after the resistance between it and the filter.  By doing this, we cause the voltage in that portion of the circuit to drop.  The voltage regulator senses this drop in voltage and reacts by increasing the duty cycle to the MOSFETs and thus increases the final voltage to the GPU core.
     
    So, as you see, a video card volt mod is actually very simple.  All it requires is a steady hand, the right components, and research.
     
     
     
     
    So, how do you go about doing your own volt mod?  The first thing you should do is a Google search to see if anyone else has already performed a successful mod to the same video card.  If someone else has already done the legwork, you should just copy them.  If you can't find any reliable guides, you will have to do the research yourself.  To start with, you will have to know which chip on your card is the voltage regulator chip which controls the core voltage.  The card will have at least two (one for the core and one for the memory) and you want to do the mod to the correct one.  The chip controlling the core voltage should be the one with larger inductors and capacitors around it.  Once you are confident you have the correct chip, just do a Google search for the model number written on the chip.  You want to find out who manufactured the chip and then find the manufacturer's website.  At the manufacturer's website, they will usually have the chip listed in a catalog and next to the listing they will often time have a detailed specifications PDF document available.  Open that document and find out which pin of the chip is the feedback pin.
     
    Next, you will want to measure the resistance between that pin and the filter output.  The filter output is the same as the core voltage measurement point you will use later.  Usually the easiest place to measure core voltage at is the output leg of the inductor (or any one of the inductors if multiple inductors are used in parallel).  So, place one terminal of a multimeter on the inductor output and the other terminal of the multimeter on the feedback pin of the voltage regulator chip.  This measurement will tell you how much resistance is between those two items.  The more resistance between those items, the greater value of trimming potentiometer you will need and vice versa.
     
    For instance, lets say that the resistance between the feedback pin of the voltage regulating pin and the inductor output is 1,000 ohms.  In this case, an appropriate trimming potentiometer for the job would be rated at 10,000 ohms.  On the other hand, if the resistace between the feedback pin and the inductor output was only 100 ohms, you may consider getting a 1,000 to 5,000 ohm trimming potentiometer.  It is generally safe to buy a potentiometer rated for 10x more resistance than the measured resistance between inductor output and feedback pin.  You don't want to use a trimming potentiometer which is 20x to 50x higher in resitance since it would be way too sensitive (each turn of the potentiometer would equate to a large amount of resistance change) nor do you want to buy a trimming potentiometer which is only 2x to 5x higher in resistance since the potentiometer may not adjust high enough to keep the core voltage from exceeding a safe voltage.  YOu also want to make sure that the trimming potentiometer has 10 to 20 turns on it.  This means that from the lowest resistance setting to the highest resistance setting, the potentiometer has to be turned this number of turns.  For instance, lets say you buy a 10,000 ohm (10k ohm) 20 turn trimming potentiometer.  The potentiometer probably goes down to around 100 ohm at the lowest setting and we know it goes up to 10,000 ohms at its highest setting.  10,000 ohms minus 100 ohms is 9,900 ohms.  SO, if the trimming potentiometer was a 20 turn type, this means that for each full turn, the resistance would change by 495 ohms. We don't want the resistance to change too much for each turn as this makes the adjustment too sensitive.
     
    So, you buy a trimming potentiometer which is rated to go up to 10x higher than the measured resistance between the inductor output and feedback pin and you make sure that the trimming potentiometer is designed to have many turns between minimum and maximum resistance.  You then solder the potentiometer between the feedback pin and ground.  By doing this, you can dump some of the voltage going to the feedback pin to ground and thus cause an artificial lack of voltage to be sensed by the voltage regulator chip.
     
    Now, just to confuse you a little more, a potentiometer has three legs, but we only want to use two.  SO which ones do you use?  I solder the wire from the feedback pin to the middle leg of the trimming potentiometer.  The other wire which goes to ground needs to be soldered to one of the outer two legs.  The diagram below shows my preference.
     

     
    Then, you want to adjust the potentiometer so that the resistanc between the two wires is maximum.  If you use the legs I used in the diagram above, you would want to turn the adjustment screw fully counter-clockwise.  Then, turn on your computer, measure the core voltage, and slowly turn the potentiometer clockwise until the core voltage increases to the amount desired.  As I said, you will measure the core voltage at the inductor ouput.  Place one terminal of your multimeter on the inductor ouput and the other terminal on a ground (your computer case is usually a good ground) and then measure the DC voltage present.
     
     
     
     
    Well, that's that.  Was that too simple?  Probably.  You probably still have no idea what an inductor looks like for instance.  Well, tell me which card you are considering modifying, and post some high quality pictures of the back and front of the card with the heatsink removed.  I will then have to figure out where your voltage regulator chip is and have you read the number off of it.  From there, I can do some research and see what I can draw up for you specific to your card which will point to solder points and measurement points.
     
     
    Honestly, it would be way easier for me to do the mod than for me to tell you how to do the mod.  So that is always an option.  You could send the card to me and have me do the mod.
     
    Here is an example:

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    Re:9400GT Vmod 2010/09/16 22:27:31 (permalink)
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    Wanna take a close up of the chip you soldered to? I have a 9400gt, but not the same card, but maybe it has the same chip for the vmod?


    Well, I am away from home now and therefore can't take any pictures of the card.  I don't remember which model of voltage regulator chip it had either.
     
    But more than likely, your voltage regulation chip is not the same as mine and therefore my mod wouldn't be identical to yours.  You would have to find your chip and read the model number off of it.
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    Re:9400GT Vmod 2010/09/16 23:08:19 (permalink)
    rabid whats the chip say I have a pretty big pile of datasheets on my desktop.
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    Re:9400GT Vmod 2010/09/17 03:23:20 (permalink)
    Thanks for the very insightful how-to ty_ger07 helped alot

    I was able to locate the my cards chip for the Vmod but since I haven't modded one before thought I'd throw up the PDF.



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    So far I see that pin 4 is my FB and pin 7 is the ground my "filter output"?
    I measured resistance between the two pins, multimeter reads .761 multiplied that by 20 and got 15.**. Telling me I need a 20 ohm  trimming potentiometer.
    Soldering pin 4 "FB" the the middle 20ohm trimming potentiometer post then ground to the post the side the dial is on would allow me to adjust the GPU Vcore...

    Lastly I'd use pin 7 the ground "fliter output" as my GPU Vcore reading?
    Any corrections or comments would be great


     
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    Re:9400GT Vmod 2010/09/17 05:01:59 (permalink)
    threedhero

    Thanks for the very insightful how-to ty_ger07 helped alot

    I was able to locate the my cards chip for the Vmod but since I haven't modded one before thought I'd throw up the PDF.



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    So far I see that pin 4 is my FB and pin 7 is the ground my "filter output"?
    I measured resistance between the two pins, multimeter reads .761 multiplied that by 20 and got 15.**. Telling me I need a 20 ohm  trimming potentiometer.
    Soldering pin 4 "FB" the the middle 20ohm trimming potentiometer post then ground to the post the side the dial is on would allow me to adjust the GPU Vcore...

    Lastly I'd use pin 7 the ground "fliter output" as my GPU Vcore reading?
    Any corrections or comments would be great


    No, pin 7 isn't your core voltage measurement point. 
     
    By the way, now that I see the number of your chip, I am reminded that your chip is the exact same chip as was on my 9400GT.  :)
     
    By "filter output"  I meant the output that goes to your GPU core.  This output is filtered after the MOSFET.  This output is the output side of the inductor and will also have a capacitor located here.
     
    For instance, here are the resistance measurement points for this card:

    ^Click 
     
    So, you need to measure between the output side of the inductor and pin 4.  Then, buy a trimming potentiometer which is 10x higher resistance than your measurement.  Also, you need to know that the output side of the inductor is also the voltage measurement point you will use when measuring your core voltage later on. 
     
     
    The inductor(s) is a large grey or black square.  The output side is the side pointing towards the core.  Some inductors don't have the output accessible except for where the terminal leg comes through the board and is soldered to the other side.  The inductor for the core is close to the large capacitors.  Make sure you use the right inductor sice there may be more than one.


    EDIT: My second picture was all wrong.  I just woke up.  I removed the second picture.
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    Re:9400GT Vmod 2010/09/17 10:23:48 (permalink)
    Lol I knew I was messed up around the GPU Vcore. Making it a lot easier on my self this time I have pictures. With the FB pin 4 marked and the inductor filter. As far as the inductor goes I'm not sure which post I should be using to read/solder for the GPU Vcore? My resistance is 15.02 so that means I would need a trimming potentiometer of 25 or 30 do they make 25's?
    Also the "VGA end of card" I marked in the pictures is to indicate the VGA cables plug into that end of the card.



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    Re:9400GT Vmod 2010/09/17 11:00:21 (permalink)
    You measured only 15 ohms of resistance?  What card is that?
     
    No, I would not use such a low value for the trimming pot.  I would get a 500 to 1,000 ohm trimming potentiometer.

    You want to meaure to the leg of the inductor closest towards the core. You see four solder points total, but you only want to use one of the two with the terminal protruding.  And the one you want to use is at the end closest to the core.
     
    Can you upload a photo which shows more of the card including the core?  I'm having a hard time picturing it.  I picture of the whole card would be nice.

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    Re:9400GT Vmod 2010/09/17 11:55:09 (permalink)
    It's an ATi 5450 HD video card.

    Hmm unless I'm using my meter wrong which I could be. I added a picture of that as well. Also the points (marked in red) I'm using to get my reading of .751 so I multiply that by 10 to get 7.51 right?



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    Re:9400GT Vmod 2010/09/17 12:07:35 (permalink)
    Okay I think I'm using the wrong pin for the FB. I've marked the one I think is right in BLUE now I get a reading of 18.9 which is 189. So I'd need a 200 trimming pot?



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