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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/04 03:46:41
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Woops Sorry just found this from Jacob. Takes a long time to read every page you know.....ahem.
It depends on the card.
For FTW:
Backplate Thermal Pad = 2mm
Baseplate Thermal Pad = 1mm
Other cards:
Backplate Thermal Pad = 2mm
Baseplate Thermal Pad = 1.5mm
I assume this is final? Just for piece of mind a yes or no from Jacob would be great. Then I will probably just do it myself. (Unless delivery evga pads arrive soon)
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/04 03:51:35
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I cannot stop thinking about the way the baseplate thermal pad is placed according to the thermal pad instructions.
It's not about placing it more to the right (where the mosfets are) or more to the left what worries me....
It's about placing the pad over a BIG HOLE. This way only a small percentage of the pad (the borders) is touching the baseplate metal surface.
What kind of thermal transfer we got from the mosfets to the main cooler if only a smal part of the thermal pad is touching the baseplate?
Cannot understand why the pad is not placed just avobe the mosfets making 100% contact with the baseplate.
I don't really get that either.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/04 04:08:46
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z3phon
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Every bios update requires the driver to be shut off for the update, so that was why everything went all crazy scaling on you. That is normal, and when you are doing your own flash, you have to disable the driver in the device manager window yourself. This just does all the work, minus a press of the Y button.
How do I disable the driver.
Is it hard to read text? It says it does all the work, all you have to do is press Y when asked. And then you ask how to disable the driver? OMG!
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/04 04:17:29
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Gawg36
Woops Sorry just found this from Jacob. Takes a long time to read every page you know.....ahem.
It depends on the card.
For FTW:
Backplate Thermal Pad = 2mm
Baseplate Thermal Pad = 1mm
Other cards:
Backplate Thermal Pad = 2mm
Baseplate Thermal Pad = 1.5mm
I assume this is final? Just for piece of mind a yes or no from Jacob would be great. Then I will probably just do it myself. (Unless delivery evga pads arrive soon)
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/04 04:18:49
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Anarion
Nuwanda
I cannot stop thinking about the way the baseplate thermal pad is placed according to the thermal pad instructions.
It's not about placing it more to the right (where the mosfets are) or more to the left what worries me....
It's about placing the pad over a BIG HOLE. This way only a small percentage of the pad (the borders) is touching the baseplate metal surface.
What kind of thermal transfer we got from the mosfets to the main cooler if only a smal part of the thermal pad is touching the baseplate?
Cannot understand why the pad is not placed just avobe the mosfets making 100% contact with the baseplate.
I don't really get that either.
It does not really matter as the big one on the back of the card covers those. It's not a double sided solution, more 1 per side. The smaller strip is an airflow solution for the chips below them.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/04 04:26:47
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Bios updated fine, had to reinstall Nvidia drivers though.
Before bios update I rarely went above 62 degrees. Still grabbing pads for more insurance.
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Re: Update 11/3/16 with NEW BIOS - EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Up
2016/11/04 04:32:08
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So the update is basically a fan profile?... Well i will apply it and see if i still use my custom...
And what about the secondary bios? Does someone know what will be the point of it?
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/04 04:32:59
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Before bios update I rarely went above 62 degrees. Still grabbing pads for more insurance.
The VRM arent monitored, the GPU temp you can see isnt the same thing. The VRM can be alot hotter and then go bang, you have no way of knowing. Go watch the youtube vid a few pages back. Im on my third card. Until I get thermal pads, on this one I am: - power target to 80% - aggressive fan curve - debug mode to underclock it edit: youtube .com/watch?v=QCuEUqHj_cU
post edited by pyrex79 - 2016/11/04 04:41:55
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/04 04:37:19
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Hey EVGA! Did it worth to remove these 1USD pads from production of GPU? You were just going to design and test the GPU versus the worst condition that can be reached and put these pads onto VRMs. Complaining about Furmarks extreme testing conditions etc didn't help you and you had to admit and do something about this. This is not a good ad for you. "Quality means solving problems when no one is looking at it" so your admittance and support may look good but it is not enough to my standards. Let's get back to the issue; I couldn't read all 22 pages but read first 6 pages. I didn't see anyone asking if we need to update VBIOS if we apply pads. 1- So is pad application ultimate solution to the issue? 2- What is the spec of thermal pad you are sending? Thermal coefficient especially.. 3- What is the actual distance between VRM - Heatsink and VRM - backplate? I am planning to use different pad solution. 4- Is the heatsink copper or aluminium? I am going to apply grizzly's paste.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/04 04:52:39
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akteni
I couldn't read all 22 pages but read first 6 pages. I didn't see anyone asking if we need to update VBIOS if we apply pads.
1- So is pad application ultimate solution to the issue?
2- What is the spec of thermal pad you are sending? Thermal coefficient especially..
3- What is the actual distance between VRM - Heatsink and VRM - backplate? I am planning to use different pad solution.
4- Is the heatsink copper or aluminium? I am going to apply grizzly's paste.
As stated,you can use one or the other update,you do not have to do both by any means. If you just adjust the fan speed up a little higher, it sufficiently cools the vrm. #3, that is in the first post and posted multiple time directly above your post: For FTW: Backplate Thermal Pad = 2mm Baseplate Thermal Pad = 1mm Other cards: Backplate Thermal Pad = 2mm Baseplate Thermal Pad = 1.5mm #4 nickel plated copper. Thermal Grizzly works great. It is what I use on all of my gpu's currently.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/04 05:00:32
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The whole thing is a shambles to be honest. EVGA still refuses to admit there is a problem and are hiding this under the veil of it being an 'optional extra for better cooling'. Well I will apply my bios update, fit my 'free' thermal pads and hope my card has a decent lifespan. Then when it comes to selling it on, hope the resale value isn't crippled too badly. I will then take my custom elsewhere. Very disappointed by the way this whole fiasco has been handled. In the internet age, you just can't operate like this. Word spreads like wildfire and there are plenty of other brands making competing products. People will just go elsewhere.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/04 05:05:18
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To those who're saying that THIS is not a big deal : Well, in my case for example, I've paid ~750€ for this GPU and for me (also everyone who appreciates his earned money) this is really inexcusable! Paying that much for a HIGH END GPU like that and just waiting for a sudden death from overheating (let alone damaging other expensive components inside of the case) is simply outrageous! Even after all this I who bought this GPU, trusting them with my 750€, have to repair it BY MYSELF! What? If I want my GPU replaced I must wait weeks! What?
Really, this is not fair, not fair at all! There are no excuses for this "oversight", for God's sake you have all those engineers working on this product after all and at the end of the day a customer have to do their work and pay you 750€! If this is something normal than this world is pretty much done...
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/04 05:09:09
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Those who are saying it is not a big deal are deluded, or EVGA reps.
They stick silly features like LED's all over the cards (which I think are tacky and switch off), yet skimp on something critical like thermal pads! It's an absolute joke!
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/04 05:20:23
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Those who are saying it is not a big deal are deluded, or EVGA reps.
They stick silly features like LED's all over the cards (which I think are tacky and switch off), yet skimp on something critical like thermal pads! It's an absolute joke!
Well... I sure hope they take VRM cooling seriously next time. It should have direct contact with the heatsink like GPU.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/04 05:23:07
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Scarlet-Tech
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I couldn't read all 22 pages but read first 6 pages. I didn't see anyone asking if we need to update VBIOS if we apply pads.
1- So is pad application ultimate solution to the issue?
2- What is the spec of thermal pad you are sending? Thermal coefficient especially..
3- What is the actual distance between VRM - Heatsink and VRM - backplate? I am planning to use different pad solution.
4- Is the heatsink copper or aluminium? I am going to apply grizzly's paste.
As stated,you can use one or the other update,you do not have to do both by any means. If you just adjust the fan speed up a little higher, it sufficiently cools the vrm.
#3, that is in the first post and posted multiple time directly above your post:
For FTW:
Backplate Thermal Pad = 2mm
Baseplate Thermal Pad = 1mm
Other cards:
Backplate Thermal Pad = 2mm
Baseplate Thermal Pad = 1.5mm
#4 nickel plated copper. Thermal Grizzly works great. It is what I use on all of my gpu's currently.
Thank you, regarding #3, I was asking distance between parts not the pad thickness because I suspect that it is less than pad thickness because pads are very soft and manufacturers are relying flexibility to squeeze pads for better contact. If I use glued pad (0.15mm) + copper plate (0.5mm) + glued pad (0.15mm), actual distance matters. I am sensitive about these due to my r&d job in automotive company as engine cooling engineer.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/04 05:33:02
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VRM temperature is rated around 125C so i see bunch of people freaking out here for no reason. I am glad eVGa is doing something about it but honestly this whole thing is crap. Someone started an article showing 106C for VRM and started freaking out everyone else. I got FTW card back in August from Newegg and never had an issue with. If you are running these in SLI, not going to work due type of cooler is using and close proximity with the cards. You really need a blower type of card for that type of setup. So if you want to SLI, get hybrid card (Water Cooling) and push a card with the fans to second PCIe slot. Don't overclock card, it is dumb. FTW overclocks itself up to 1963Mhz for me, that's just crazy plenty. And don't use furmark crap because it is unrealistic, and you are just stressing your card with no good reason.
post edited by Scarlet-Tech - 2016/11/04 05:41:16
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/04 05:45:30
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What are the part numbers of the new cards that are shipping with the pads from factory?
If I go to Microcenter how can I know if they have new cards?
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/04 05:52:15
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VRM temperature is rated around 125C so i see bunch of people freaking out here for no reason. I am glad eVGa is doing something about it but honestly this whole thing is BS. Someone started an article showing 106C for VRM and started freaking out everyone else. I got FTW card back in August from Newegg and never had an issue with. If you are running these in SLI, not going to work due type of cooler is using and close proximity with the cards. You really need a blower type of card for that type of setup. So if you want to SLI, get hybrid card (Water Cooling) and push a card with the fans to second PCIe slot.
Don't overclock card, it is dumb. FTW overclocks itself up to 1963Mhz for me, that's just crazy plenty. And don't use furmark crap because it is unrealistic, and you are just stressing your card with no f. good reason.
The problem is real and serious, if you want to turn a blind eye on it, fine, your choice at the end of the Day. Some won't and don't, they are Customers and paid good money for it. You have no reason, at all, to be upset or underplay the situation, unless you're an EVGA employee or someone who didn't paid for his card, right? Company's trolls are the worst... and an insult to one intelligence. ********************************************* @PAULB & Methodical M Indeed.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/04 05:54:05
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Telling people not to overclock their card is limiting what they can and can't do. You dont pay hundreds of dollar and take away an option they can do with other cards
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/04 05:57:08
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lradunovic
VRM temperature is rated around 125C so i see bunch of people freaking out here for no reason. I am glad eVGa is doing something about it but honestly this whole thing is crap. Someone started an article showing 106C for VRM and started freaking out everyone else. I got FTW card back in August from Newegg and never had an issue with. If you are running these in SLI, not going to work due type of cooler is using and close proximity with the cards. You really need a blower type of card for that type of setup. So if you want to SLI, get hybrid card (Water Cooling) and push a card with the fans to second PCIe slot.
Don't overclock card, it is dumb. FTW overclocks itself up to 1963Mhz for me, that's just crazy plenty. And don't use furmark crap because it is unrealistic, and you are just stressing your card with no good reason.
No you are wrong. You don't get it. You say don't overclock card. What! Probably the majority who buy this enthusiast level card will overclock. I do, moderately. And what's this about getting a blower type. Thanks for the post, but sorry, you are simply wrong.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/04 06:26:36
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akteni
Thank you,
regarding #3, I was asking distance between parts not the pad thickness because I suspect that it is less than pad thickness because pads are very soft and manufacturers are relying flexibility to squeeze pads for better contact. If I use glued pad (0.15mm) + copper plate (0.5mm) + glued pad (0.15mm), actual distance matters.
I am sensitive about these due to my r&d job in automotive company as engine cooling engineer.
In that case being an engineer you probably have access to a micrometer. I install copper shims in tablets etc alot but i do not have one on me or i would help. The termal pads they send look like EK ones so i guess it's 3,0-5,0 W/mK wich is fine with copper plates.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/04 06:27:09
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Gawg36
No you are wrong. You don't get it. You say don't overclock card. What! Probably the majority who buy this enthusiast level card will overclock.
I do, moderately. And what's this about getting a blower type. Thanks for the post, but sorry, you are simply wrong.
For the FTW I agree, but the SC I dont think you can say that the majority will overclock his card !
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update
2016/11/04 06:38:58
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with the new bios i get PerfCap Pwr all the time with powerlimit set to 112% and only using ~90% power...
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Re: Update 11/3/16 with NEW BIOS - EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Up
2016/11/04 06:44:28
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So the update is basically a fan profile?... Well i will apply it and see if i still use my custom...
I kinda have the same question. Is the only change to the fan profiles? Am I right to assume that my 1080SC is fine because I'm running it with an EK block+backplate (that has thermal pads on both sides of the problematic VRMs)?
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Re: Update 11/3/16 with NEW BIOS - EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Up
2016/11/04 06:46:17
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Asryan
So the update is basically a fan profile?... Well i will apply it and see if i still use my custom...
I kinda have the same question. Is the only change to the fan profiles? Am I right to assume that my 1080SC is fine because I'm running it with an EK block+backplate (that has thermal pads on both sides of the problematic VRMs)?
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Re: Update 11/3/16 with NEW BIOS - EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Up
2016/11/04 06:52:08
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Re: Update 11/3/16 with NEW BIOS - EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Up
2016/11/04 07:20:07
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ilyama
Can I have an answer of EVGA staff member about my thread ?
Thanks !
If you dont OC the card i dont think its necessary. But lets wait a staff members opinion :)
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Re: Update 11/3/16 with NEW BIOS - EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Up
2016/11/04 07:22:55
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Can I have an answer of EVGA staff member about my thread ?
Thanks !
I think here is your amswer :) This update is not required, however; EVGA will make it available free of charge to any customer who is interested. To request the thermal pad kit, please visit www.evga.com/thermalmod
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Re: Update 11/3/16 with NEW BIOS - EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Up
2016/11/04 07:23:43
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ilyama
Can I have an answer of EVGA staff member about my thread ?
Thanks !
If you dont OC the card i dont think its necessary. But lets wait a staff members opinion :)
I really hope you are right... because if I really need them with no overclocking and an agressive curve fan, I think those pads are definitively not an option...
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Re: Update 11/3/16 with NEW BIOS - EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Up
2016/11/04 07:27:37
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I really hope you are right... because if I really need them with no overclocking and an agressive curve fan, I think those pads are definitively not an option...
If you and i or someone else really need them or everyone EVGA would said that you have to do it, you have to aply the pads. However they said in the statement its an -option- for thoose who wants additional cooling :)
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