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Re: Update 11/3/16 with NEW BIOS - EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Up 2016/11/03 23:06:14 (permalink)
I just hope the basic ACX3.0 versions will get less fan speed increase.
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Re: Update 11/3/16 with NEW BIOS - EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Up 2016/11/03 23:30:26 (permalink)
I have the 08G-P4-6286-KR 1080 FTW, downloaded and ran the update and it says it is incompatible.
 

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Re: Update 11/3/16 with NEW BIOS - EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Up 2016/11/03 23:41:29 (permalink)
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I have the 08G-P4-6286-KR 1080 FTW, downloaded and ran the update and it says it is incompatible.
 



Do you have an AMD chipset mobo? If so, see:

Q. I have an AMD chipset motherboard, and the flash is not completing. What do I do?
A. Please contact (check original post can't get it to link here), this will require a special update.


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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update 2016/11/03 23:43:48 (permalink)

Greetings, jacobs, I have an EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 FTW ACX 3.0, 08G-P4-6276-KR .I'm from Ecuador and request the pads is not available for my country, this is trizte xq in my country temperatures are higher, and have always been faithful to EVGA GPU, please help.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update 2016/11/03 23:44:12 (permalink)
After the bios update on my GTX 1080 SC EVGA Precision can't detect my GPU anymore. Can anyone help?
 
EDIT: Clean install, registry clean and a restart solved this problem for me.
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Re: Update 11/3/16 with NEW BIOS - EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Up 2016/11/03 23:53:22 (permalink)
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Awesome, thanks for this. While like you said many factors skew accuracy here, this is still very helpful. Im assuming you didn't happen to notice if your RPM's matched at a given percentage between the two given "And if the overall RPM was also increased with the BIOS these percentages won't be apples to apples.". Though I wouldn't assume they would have changed the max given there is still so much room in the original profile and even this slightly more aggressive one. Either way, thanks again.




It didnt occur to me to check RPMs until after the fact, sorry! I can tell you that right now Afterburner reads the RPM at 3600~ish when at 100% fan. I don't know what it was before.


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Re: Update 11/3/16 with NEW BIOS - EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Up 2016/11/03 23:58:14 (permalink)
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darkheran
 

Awesome, thanks for this. While like you said many factors skew accuracy here, this is still very helpful. Im assuming you didn't happen to notice if your RPM's matched at a given percentage between the two given "And if the overall RPM was also increased with the BIOS these percentages won't be apples to apples.". Though I wouldn't assume they would have changed the max given there is still so much room in the original profile and even this slightly more aggressive one. Either way, thanks again.




It didnt occur to me to check RPMs until after the fact, sorry! I can tell you that right now Afterburner reads the RPM at 3600~ish when at 100% fan. I don't know what it was before.



No problem, the 3600 readout at 100% alleviates the need for it anyways id imagine. Id cross check with mine at 100% (as I haven't updated VBIOS) but fiancee is asleep behind me, don't think shed appreciate the late night fan harmony right now XD Off to sleep myself. 

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Re: Update 11/3/16 with NEW BIOS - EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Up 2016/11/04 00:00:34 (permalink)
Quick question, my FTW has Micron VRAM. Safer than the Samsung ones from overheating?
 
I'm considering just keeping my card with the bios updated but no optional thermal pads
 
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update 2016/11/04 00:17:13 (permalink)
I updated my GTX 1080 FTW's vBIOS (the default one) yesterday and so far it seems to be working fine and I'm not noticing much, if any, additional fan noise. However, temperatures do seem to be a bit lower, for example in Skyrim Remastered on Ultra 4K settings they are around 60-65 C now rather than 65-68 C with the original fan profile. The fan does appear to remain off on the desktop though as it is currently 0% with a GPU temperature of 28 C according to MSI Afterburner.
 
So what are the differences between the two fan profiles? Does anyone know? Is it just a case of the fans spinning when the GPU gets above a lower temperature, e.g. 50 C instead of 65 C?

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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update 2016/11/04 00:23:08 (permalink)
I was under the assumption to begin with that this was only effecting the ftw cards so I had put a support ticket in on my 1080 classified, support is telling me it's my psu causing the issue and I should buy a new one.. When clearly the thread shows that the 1080 serial code is effected with this issue. Felt like they were trying to force down my throat a new psu instead of trying to help. Instead of giving some advise or referencing this thread.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update 2016/11/04 00:38:54 (permalink)
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Do I need to get thermal pads if i update the bios?  Or are the pads optional.


They claim the pads are optional after the new vbios.
But keep this in mind. The new fan curve in the new bios dropped the VRM temps from 114c to 95c in some tests on a GTX 1080 FTW. The thermal pads alone dropped the VRM temps to 85c. Get the pads is my recomendation. Those thermal pads were supposed to be there from the start.




Yes but weren't those tests done using an extreme Furmark benchmark, in other words a test that produces much higher temperatures than anyone would ever see during regular gaming?
 
I done the vBIOS update and requested the thermal pads but I'm not entirely comfortable with taking a £600 graphics card apart to fit something that really should have been fitted by EVGA when I requested the RMA on my previous faulty card (with the black screen/100% fan issue) a few weeks ago. I was actually surprised that they didn't fit them to just to save on me having to return my card to them again for them to do it which is a service they offer. I know they claim it is optional but this relatively simple mod would only cost them a few pence extra at most and does appear to reduce temperatures significantly; so much so that the revised vBIOS would not have been required IMO.
 
I know EVGA will still honour the warranty even if I damage the card fitting the thermal pads but I still don't want to go through the hassle of yet another RMA (and another £700+ collateral fee) so soon after I'd already been through one. I will likely just continue to use my card as normal and if it should fail again due to overheating VRMs or whatever then I'll just get EVGA to replace the card there and then. I am unlikely to have this card more than a year anyway as I typically upgrade every 12-18 months.

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Re: Update 11/3/16 with NEW BIOS - EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Up 2016/11/04 00:44:51 (permalink)
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If you see any hardware problems with your 1080 ftw, artifacts, black screen, anything, start rma don't lose time to found out whats wrong...Life is to short to found out what is wrong with somebody problems. Evga make bad mistakes on project ACX 3.0 now they have to pay for it, or lose they reputations. I always buy EVGA products and i loved how the service works.




My last four graphics card have been from EVGA but after this I suspect my next one may not be. I mean the GTX 1080 was released back in June 2016 and is now November. It took EVGA four months to admit there was a problem and that thermal pads had been omitted by mistake (at least that is my understanding). Not one professional website that reviewed the GTX 1080 FTW back at launch picked up on this and now it seems that EVGA's reputation has been damaged somewhat because people are certainly going to be asking if their future cards have addressed the black screen/100% issue and/or have thermal pads fitted before committing themselves to buying one. I know I will be far more cautious, perhaps even choosing to buy one from a different vendor that did not have the issue with their custom GTX 1080.

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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update 2016/11/04 00:47:41 (permalink)
So my request for thermal-pads has been approved, now it says pending shipment.  I assume that means I am waiting for EVGA to get more thermal-pads before they ship mine.  There must be a lot of people requesting these.  Can I safely game in the meantime just using the new bios for my GTX 1080 FTW?  It is out of my system at the moment.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update 2016/11/04 00:50:52 (permalink)
Hi there,
 
Is anyone able to provide an image or the values of the fan curve that this bios update provides? I would like to compare it to the fan curve im currently using.
 
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update 2016/11/04 00:59:57 (permalink)
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Hi there,
 
Is anyone able to provide an image or the values of the fan curve that this bios update provides? I would like to compare it to the fan curve im currently using.
 
Thanks




I tried yesterday with MSI Afterburner but when I clicked on the Fan tab and enabled it, it just showed its own default fan curve which starts at 40% fan speed. I do have EVGA PrecisionX OC installed as I do not like the revamped version since Unwinder (the coder of Afterburner) stopped developing it; IMO the interface is extremely clunky and it lacks options that Afterburner has. I suspect that EVGA PrecisionX OC will show the correct fan curve though since it is designed first and foremost for EVGA cards.
 
I do know that at idle on the desktop the fans do not spin so my guess is that the fans ramp up earlier at what looks like 50 C I believe rather than 65 C.

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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update 2016/11/04 01:28:42 (permalink)
It's not just a different fan curve, it's a different maximum RPM at 100% fan. If you want to emulate it to some extent, just slide your fan curve to the left by 10C ....but it won't be the same as the bios update. The maximum speed is different.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update 2016/11/04 01:40:32 (permalink)
A bit more detail info on the fan curve would be nice.
 
200-500rpm at 100%?
 
Is it the same for all cards?
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update 2016/11/04 01:59:39 (permalink)
I would be also very interested in the differences of the fan curves. Unfortunately EVGA doesn't tell any Details...
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update 2016/11/04 02:21:57 (permalink)
I own a Evga gtx 1080 SC acx 3.0 i removed the backplate. Used thermal Grizly Kryonut as paste and updatet the bios. Now my card never goes over 65.c at 50% fann speed. This is how it was ment to be inn the first plase.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update 2016/11/04 02:24:02 (permalink)
I did the update on my 1080SC and so far after running the Witcher 3 for a little bit the max my gpu got to with the new fan curve was 65c, a Fan Speed % of 43 and an RPM of 1579 according to MSI Afterburner.  Given my card is in case right next to my left ear it wasn't that much louder then before.  I'm using a full tower case however with 2x 200mm fans and 2x 140mm fans so your mileage may vary but its not that bad in my opinion especially since my Witcher 3 was running at 1080p with pretty much ultra settings with hairworks on.  This is also while GPU boost brings me 130mhz over what the advertised boost clock speed is.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update 2016/11/04 02:29:50 (permalink)
not a very good test, as I didn't really load the card up last night playing dishonoured due to it being such an old game. What I did notice was that I'd dropped 4°C off core temp so it was 66°C and a fan speed of 36%
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update 2016/11/04 02:32:48 (permalink)
A good video regarding these VRM issues:
 
youtube .com/watch?v=QCuEUqHj_cU

EVGA GTX 1080 FTW
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update 2016/11/04 02:36:02 (permalink)
One thing is I did notice my card idles about 5-6 degrees higher though that's not conclusive I'll keep an eye on it over the next few days but in the end when gaming it does  seem to run cooler then before.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update 2016/11/04 02:42:15 (permalink)
Still no official statement regarding factory installed thermal pads. All we have is a lot of hear say and, according to some big Youtubers and other news outlets, someone in EVGA's end admitting the lack of thermal padding was an oversight. Those of us looking to buy a new card would really love to know what the deal is. Right now we have people left and right reporting their opinions as fact, obscuring the few that have legitimately had contact with EVGA and have first hand knowledge on the issue.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update 2016/11/04 02:55:37 (permalink)
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Now users are going to complain about fan noise. 


No fan noise here at all after updating VBios. You are just guessing/hoping. Negative thoughts......Get a job and a life.
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update 2016/11/04 03:14:31 (permalink)
Mini Review GTX 1080 FTW (08G-P4-6286-KR) New vBios (86.04.3B.00.84) (GPU-z shows "B" not "b" Not important, but thought I'd show this to.)
Firstly - Procedure on PRIMARY Bios ONLY. Very easy. No knowledge of computers is necessary. Couldn't be easier. Worked the first time for me - of course.
Obvious, but please please be VERY careful about checking and double checking all model no. & all vBios no. Do that right and you are as good as fixed.
 
General impression summary (NB All fan speeds were recorded in NV Inspector).
1. The fans are still off (0%) at low temps, like below 50c approx for example. (It took too long for an accurate number, but it IS lower % than original vBios)
2. Manually putting the fans up to 100% now shows a much higher RPM. My max is now over 3,200rpm. This is a big jump. Nice, but noisy and never needed in normal use/gaming. With fan at 50% RPM = 1,600rpm. (May vary very slightly from card to card, that's normal.) Finally for 1,000rpm, my fan needs 31%.
3. The fan curve in my opinion is well in the acceptable range. However personally I prefer a bit higher. But I think EVGA made a good compromise between sound levels and cooling levels. Very easy to increase the curve via software if you are like me. (Terrified of frying components!!)
 
I could go on but this is not really a big deal. Note this BIOS has nothing to do with Micron memory issue which is a different thing, and affects 1070, not 1080.  As noted, personally for new demanding games I will use my own profile but this is a personal preference and has nothing to do with EVGA.
 
So, this first step is over and I think EVGA did a good job (except the original typo's I heard about. I would have had a heart attack. Luckily it was corrected when I downloaded)
 
Thermal pads: (awaiting delivery.)
 
In my Opinion the thermal pads are the most important and critical fix. I think it's essential for long life of HW, heavy gamers etc., as an important safety fix, regardless of what we are told.
 
Which brings me to my last point. I ordered those pads first day, but still on approval, (Scarlet-Tech & Brokencross  kindly explained it's not approval, but just means, haven't shipped or not ready yet. Fine I guess.) But guessing the numbers of people who want these, I see it could take a long time.
 
So, I think it is extremely important to state, here, or on the first page, the exact dimensions (Thickness I mean) of the pads. Especially the thin one (sorry if posted and I missed it)  Is the thin one 1.8mm or 1.5mm? This is very important to disclose as I have a feeling some of us might be waiting a while. If I don't get mine soon, I will happily do this myself, its cheap, its easy, but exact specs of thermal tape is essential.
 
Thank you to all who read. Thankyou EVGA for the good vBios fix. Please provided measurements of thermal tape (thickness).
 
Edit: All of this is my opinion and my findings. If people disagree that's fine, here is the perfect place. But it is TOTALLY OUT OF ORDER to flame, to call others childish, etc etc. It's opinion. Luckily there are very few prepubescent idiots on these otherwise decent forums. Thank again.  

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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update 2016/11/04 03:17:52 (permalink)
I cannot stop thinking about the way the baseplate thermal pad is placed according to the instructions.
It's not about placing it more to the right (where the mosfets are) or more to the left what worries me, it's about placing the pad over a BIG HOLE. This way only a small percentage of the pad (the borders) is touching the baseplate metal surface.
What kind of thermal transfer we can get from the mosfets to the main cooler if only a smal part of the thermal pad is touching the baseplate?
 
Cannot understand why the pad is not placed just above the mosfets making 100% contact to the baseplate.
 
post edited by Nuwanda - 2016/11/04 13:01:48
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update 2016/11/04 03:28:23 (permalink)
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I own a Evga gtx 1080 SC acx 3.0 i removed the backplate. Used thermal Grizly Kryonut as paste and updatet the bios. Now my card never goes over 65.c at 50% fann speed. This is how it was ment to be inn the first plase.



Whait, what? You put it on the back? Stuff is like peanutbutter lmao why would you do that. Lmao
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update 2016/11/04 03:41:43 (permalink)
it's extremely slow downloading these files in China. Any other links?
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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080/1070 PWM Operating Temperature Update 2016/11/04 03:42:09 (permalink)
Is there people here that wont put the thermal pads and just use agressive curve fan ?
I have 55 degres with BF1...
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