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Re: Unofficial 3080 Step Up Queue Thread. 2021/06/30 09:23:38 (permalink)
I guess go to Radeon, then?

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Re: Unofficial 3080 Step Up Queue Thread. 2021/06/30 09:25:49 (permalink)
Wow that's so thought provoking...
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Re: Unofficial 3080 Step Up Queue Thread. 2021/06/30 09:37:49 (permalink)
Yes, I understand what nvidia board partners do, I don't have 30 years in tech space, only 20 years.
I never blamed EVGA in my post, nvidia has so much control power over them they really cant do anything unfortunately, and when I say "take a stand" I'm talking to consumers and not EVGA, not that I thought it would start a movement, just hoped to enlighten a few people. Any upset I feel towards EVGA is due to them regurgitating nvidia's narrative, and even though it isn't their fault they could have had the courtesy of offering an apology.
The question is why aren't you upset, nvidia limiting things we can do with are cards if they feel like they might benefit from it, and are reaction is to thank them and give them more money.
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Re: Unofficial 3080 Step Up Queue Thread. 2021/06/30 09:49:51 (permalink)
If I had to rank the groups participating in anti-consumer behavior, I think my order would look like this:
1. Scalpers
2. Miners that plan on selling the card used after thrashing it 24/7
3. Miners that plan on mining until the card dies
4. The global semiconductor supply chain for not being flexible enough to overproduce in times of high demand
5. NVIDIA

EVGA of course not being on this list. For anyone still pissed at EVGA for making this change, please remove yourselves from the queue entirely, and go join the step-up program for another manufacturer such as ASUS. Oh wait. There isn't one.
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Re: Unofficial 3080 Step Up Queue Thread. 2021/06/30 09:51:02 (permalink)
I support this change 100 percent. I have a full time job and a busy schedule, and I don't have time to compete with crypto fanboi bots to get a card so I can play Flight Simulator 2020 in 4K with a decent frame rate. I want a card for gaming, and if LHR steers these miners to the actual cards that Nvidia sells for mining, I am all for it. I am tired of competing with bots and scalpers who want to use the cards to mine cryptocurrency in some attempt to get rich. It's been NINE MONTHS.
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Re: Unofficial 3080 Step Up Queue Thread. 2021/06/30 09:56:47 (permalink)
I was wondering how much everyone had to pay to complete the step-up. EVGA hasnt updated my price break down since April 15th (the day they said they would start charging a higher amount due to the increased tariffs) and I am just wondering what ended up being the MSRP cost for everyone that paid after April 15th. Thanks. Just want to be prepared.
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Re: Unofficial 3080 Step Up Queue Thread. 2021/06/30 10:09:52 (permalink)
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I was wondering how much everyone had to pay to complete the step-up. EVGA hasnt updated my price break down since April 15th (the day they said they would start charging a higher amount due to the increased tariffs) and I am just wondering what ended up being the MSRP cost for everyone that paid after April 15th. Thanks. Just want to be prepared.

Same. My price hasn't shown the change yet either, though I expect an updated amount once my ticket gets called.


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Re: Unofficial 3080 Step Up Queue Thread. 2021/06/30 10:34:51 (permalink)
I got the email for the step up forcing the change to LHR.. so i email them.. and this was their response:
 
"Hello,

I am sorry but due to expected future inventory, we are unable to change a Step-Up back to a non-LHR card. All future Step-ups to a RTX 3080 FTW3 will only be able to be processed with the LHR version. I apologize for any inconvenience and please feel free to contact us if you have any other questions.

Regards,
EVGA"
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Re: Unofficial 3080 Step Up Queue Thread. 2021/06/30 11:06:43 (permalink)
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Yea, I don't really see how the LHR change makes a difference for folks who just want it for gaming. I get that you're now paying full price for a product that's been handicapped in some way, but that change isn't affecting the majority who are just trying to achieve more frames. Anyone have a link from a reputable reviewer who's compared two like cards; LHR vs the original model?

It affects everyone, but in different ways:
For a regular gamer, next year when the 4xxx series comes out and you decide to sell your 3xxx LHR model to lower the cost of your upgrade, you will find that there's a huge difference in resale value between LHR and non-LHR models.
 
With this simple switch, evga effectively increased the cost of your next upgrade by hundreds of dollars.
 
Imagine you put down a security deposit for a very attractive colored car, after 90 days, the deposit is no longer refundable and you cannot change the model you want. After the refund period is over, you get a call from the dealership n they say "hey we only got the color: ****stain, but no worries, it works just like the attractive model" So this is a fully functioning car that isn't affecting the majority of people who just want to drive, but it's ****stain colored and the resale is half or lower than non ****stain color.
 
Are you happy? Should you be? I would not. I want what I signed up for. Why can EVGA change the regular queue but not the step up? it does not make sense.
 
I get that evga does not have much say on this at the chip/fab level, but you should not be for this behavior, the long term benefit is negative.
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Re: Unofficial 3080 Step Up Queue Thread. 2021/06/30 11:14:14 (permalink)
Wow, some of you folks upgrade every year? Sweet Jesus, I can't wait to get my 3080 to be done for at LEAST five years. 

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Re: Unofficial 3080 Step Up Queue Thread. 2021/06/30 11:21:23 (permalink)
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Wow, some of you folks upgrade every year? Sweet Jesus, I can't wait to get my 3080 to be done for at LEAST five years. 


It was just an example to illustrate a differing viewpoint.
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Re: Unofficial 3080 Step Up Queue Thread. 2021/06/30 11:30:11 (permalink)
2 and 3 are consumers, also only a stupid miner that didn't understand how mining works would thrash their cards, very counter productive.
 
Scalping occurred because of 4 and 5, I prefer capitalism over something like communism.
 
I don't think anyone is angry with EVGA making the change, well I hope not, they didn't have a choice. Personally I'm a little upset how they regurgitate nvidia's narrative, and seeming supporting Nvidia anti consumer actions, but I guess they have to fall in line or suffer the consequences, we all know how controlling nvidia is.
 
FYI, EVGA has been shipping a boat ton of gpu's to retailers. I use the site "pccomponentes", and they have sold thousands of cards in the last few days, most non LHR, LHR cards have only appeared in the last few days. Most EVGA cards are available to purchase right now, most with the added scalper tax. EVGA is knowing selling thousands of cards to retailers that are scalping them while people are waiting for months in their queues, right now I can still buy 3070 FTW3 ULTRA GAMING non LHR close to retail, and more non LHR cards are due to be delivered on the 20th of next month (P/N: 08G-P5-3767-KR), why are these cards being scalped instead of going to people who have been waiting for months in the queues, and why do they have non LHR cards for scalping retailers, but then sending auto notify emails telling us they are not available anymore. This doesn't seem fair.
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Re: Unofficial 3080 Step Up Queue Thread. 2021/06/30 11:42:33 (permalink)
How is it anti consumer, when they are doubling down on the demographic for the actual card? They want the cards in the hands of gamers so they created LHR to deter miners. 
People are trying to make NVIDIA the enemy when in fact it's because the increase in MINING and the Pandemic both hit at the same time.
I remember in 2017 when mining was on a rise, 1080ti were being sold out everywhere, but at time there wasn't a semiconductor shortage (which is affecting every industry right now)  so it leveled out within a few months.
As for reselling, the only people who would buy an non LHR over a LHR, would be miners. Which I agree they all should pay 200% for using these cards.
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Re: Unofficial 3080 Step Up Queue Thread. 2021/06/30 13:17:35 (permalink)
I'm guessing that EVGA had pre-existing contracts with retailers before they switched over to use a queue, but idk.

Honestly the economics of profitability of a 3080 GPU mining rely fairly heavily on resale after mining with it, so the market for used non-LHR cards around the 4000 series isn't going to be a huge price difference compared to LHR cards, because there's not as high of a demand from miners, as well as there is a flood of cards from miners, who are trying to sell their wares in order to buy new cards. Sep. 2nd, the day after NVIDIA'S announcement, I bought a used 2080Ti for $500 for example. My dumbass also sold it for $600 days later, not understanding what was gonna happen with 3080 stock.

Edit: Also, with ETH moving to proof of stake, there is a strong degree of uncertainty in future GPU mining profits, which means there could potentially be a rush of miners selling off their cards to try to beat the inevitable crash of their cards value once there's nothing left to mine with it besides a high electric bill.
post edited by bicknyers - 2021/06/30 13:21:47
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Re: Unofficial 3080 Step Up Queue Thread. 2021/06/30 14:28:13 (permalink)
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They want the cards in the hands of gamers

 
This is a joke right???? They want cards in the hands of people with MONEY. You are just a walking talking wallet to them, that's all, next you will tell me they hate miners, they just hate making tons of money.
 
justshady
People are trying to make NVIDIA the enemy when in fact it's because the increase in MINING and the Pandemic both hit at the same time.

 
Nvidia couldn't keep up with demand due to many factors out of their control.
 
So their solution was to make mining graphics cards (CMP), it wasn't just wafers and silicon causing supply constraints, there were also substrates and components supply constraints, so mining CMP's cards were taking these components that could have been used in another GPU, like a 30 series card, so their first move was to further reduce supply.
 
What happens when mining isn't profitable?
People sell their cards, tons of cards hit the secondhand market and saturates it, this leads to a reduction in price and great opportunities for people looking to buy a card for cheap. Nvidia realized after the last bear market that people were buying cheap secondhand cards, nvidia doesn't make any money when you aren't buying their new cards, if only there was a way to stop people buying great value secondhand cards instead of new ones, o right, make a cards with no display outputs that are only useful for mining. What happens when the cards aren't worth mining on, well instead of people reusing them they just end up at the landfill, great for the environment. 
 
Now we have LHR cards, that miners still buy like crazy because they turn a profit, because it only reduces Ethereum mining, and Ethereum mining will only be possible for a few months.
 
Nvidia master plan to get cards to gamers:
 
Reduce supply.
Try and kill the secondhand market.
Increase environmental waste.
Release LHR cards that miners still buy because they turn a good profit, miners don't those CMP cards because they have less resale value, then limit only one cryptocurrency that won't be able to be mined soon.
 
Either the people at Nvidia are completely stupid or there is an agenda you are not seeing.
 
justshady
As for reselling, the only people who would buy an non LHR over a LHR, would be miners. Which I agree they all should pay 200% for using these cards.

 
Its a two way street, gamers with LHR cards getting less money on the secondhand market for their less desirable cards, and miners paying less for a less profitable card.
post edited by Shlouski85 - 2021/06/30 14:35:10
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Re: Unofficial 3080 Step Up Queue Thread. 2021/06/30 14:50:56 (permalink)
What should NVIDIA have done then? What should EVGA have done as well? If anyone has any really good ideas, I'm sure they would be interested in hearing them.
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Re: Unofficial 3080 Step Up Queue Thread. 2021/06/30 18:05:19 (permalink)
It all comes down to, "I'm not getting what *I* want! EVGA and NVIDIA have failed us all, and by all, I mean ME!"

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Re: Unofficial 3080 Step Up Queue Thread. 2021/06/30 18:56:16 (permalink)
Finally my turn in the queue!
Step one: 10/4 @1:02pm
Step two: 6/30 @5:47pm
Step three: 6/30 @9:33pm
Step four: 6/30 @9:44pm
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Re: Unofficial 3080 Step Up Queue Thread. 2021/06/30 20:24:41 (permalink)
Congrats!  Anyone else get their step 2's today? Mine is the 7th of October....so Close.
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Re: Unofficial 3080 Step Up Queue Thread. 2021/07/01 03:37:47 (permalink)
Oh emails went out today?
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Re: Unofficial 3080 Step Up Queue Thread. 2021/07/01 05:10:10 (permalink)
I'm on 10/5, thought I would have gotten in on the next drop. Next week hopefully! Pumped


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Re: Unofficial 3080 Step Up Queue Thread. 2021/07/01 05:50:21 (permalink)
EVGA announces LHR cards for Step-Up only on 29th June 2021.

If only EVGA would have waited 1 more day before they announced LHR for step-ups. 

Anyways getting an LHR version, for the same price of 889 + taxes  Step-Up people are stuck with this. I bought 2060KO from BB for just Step-up as couldn't buy 3080 myself, in Oct 2020.

Step one: 10/4 2020 @3:26pm
Step two: 6/30 2021@5:47pm
Step three: 6/30 2021@9:32pm
Step four: 6/30 2021@9:45pm
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Re: Unofficial 3080 Step Up Queue Thread. 2021/07/01 06:10:49 (permalink)
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EVGA announces LHR cards for Step-Up only on 29th June 2021.

If only EVGA would have waited 1 more day before they announced LHR for step-ups. 

Anyways getting an LHR version, for the same price of 889 + taxes  Step-Up people are stuck with this. I bought 2060KO from BB for just Step-up as couldn't buy 3080 myself, in Oct 2020.

Step one: 10/4 2020 @3:26pm
Step two: 6/30 2021@5:47pm
Step three: 6/30 2021@9:32pm
Step four: 6/30 2021@9:45pm


What were the total costs if you don't mind me asking? :0
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Re: Unofficial 3080 Step Up Queue Thread. 2021/07/01 06:19:35 (permalink)
Kabei
Lammergeier16
EVGA announces LHR cards for Step-Up only on 29th June 2021.

If only EVGA would have waited 1 more day before they announced LHR for step-ups. 

Anyways getting an LHR version, for the same price of 889 + taxes  Step-Up people are stuck with this. I bought 2060KO from BB for just Step-up as couldn't buy 3080 myself, in Oct 2020.

Step one: 10/4 2020 @3:26pm
Step two: 6/30 2021@5:47pm
Step three: 6/30 2021@9:32pm
Step four: 6/30 2021@9:45pm


What were the total costs if you don't mind me asking? :0


Cost Breakdown:

New Product $889.99

Original Product- $296.99

Step-Up Cost $593.00

Shipping Cost + $13.24

Tax + $89.00

Total Cost $695.24


 
Shipping Out Option: UPS Ground
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Re: Unofficial 3080 Step Up Queue Thread. 2021/07/01 06:33:39 (permalink)
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Lammergeier16
EVGA announces LHR cards for Step-Up only on 29th June 2021.

If only EVGA would have waited 1 more day before they announced LHR for step-ups. 

Anyways getting an LHR version, for the same price of 889 + taxes  Step-Up people are stuck with this. I bought 2060KO from BB for just Step-up as couldn't buy 3080 myself, in Oct 2020.

Step one: 10/4 2020 @3:26pm
Step two: 6/30 2021@5:47pm
Step three: 6/30 2021@9:32pm
Step four: 6/30 2021@9:45pm


What were the total costs if you don't mind me asking? :0


Cost Breakdown:

New Product $889.99

Original Product- $296.99

Step-Up Cost $593.00

Shipping Cost + $13.24

Tax + $89.00

Total Cost $695.24



Shipping Out Option: UPS Ground


Holy crap!! $89 in tax!?! They said it estimated the tax at 27.14 back when it was 809.99! I'm stepping up from a 2070S at 599.99, so I guess different price for tax per card differences.
post edited by Kabei - 2021/07/01 06:48:49
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Re: Unofficial 3080 Step Up Queue Thread. 2021/07/01 06:58:20 (permalink)
Kabei
Lammergeier16
Kabei
Lammergeier16
EVGA announces LHR cards for Step-Up only on 29th June 2021.

If only EVGA would have waited 1 more day before they announced LHR for step-ups. 

Anyways getting an LHR version, for the same price of 889 + taxes  Step-Up people are stuck with this. I bought 2060KO from BB for just Step-up as couldn't buy 3080 myself, in Oct 2020.

Step one: 10/4 2020 @3:26pm
Step two: 6/30 2021@5:47pm
Step three: 6/30 2021@9:32pm
Step four: 6/30 2021@9:45pm


What were the total costs if you don't mind me asking? :0


Cost Breakdown:

New Product $889.99

Original Product- $296.99

Step-Up Cost $593.00

Shipping Cost + $13.24

Tax + $89.00

Total Cost $695.24



Shipping Out Option: UPS Ground


Holy crap!! $89 in tax!?! They said it estimated the tax at 27.14 back when it was 809.99! I'm stepping up from a 2070S at 599.99, so I guess different price for tax per card differences.


No taxes are your state taxes of the price of the card.

Taxes are non-refundable from the first card.
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Re: Unofficial 3080 Step Up Queue Thread. 2021/07/01 07:11:20 (permalink)
There were only TWO drops? Oof.
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Re: Unofficial 3080 Step Up Queue Thread. 2021/07/01 08:43:48 (permalink)
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There were only TWO drops? Oof.




Sorry, this is my fault. I am getting close in the queue, and as such the universe has slowed it to a crawl. This is the same reason I waited in a 45 minute queue to buy NBA Finals tickets this morning only to get a 404 not found at the end. 
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Re: Unofficial 3080 Step Up Queue Thread. 2021/07/01 09:34:46 (permalink)
I'm 10/6, getting worried that time will stretch out now that Nvidia is using everything possible to make 3080ti's.  Other than that hanging in there.
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Re: Unofficial 3080 Step Up Queue Thread. 2021/07/01 09:39:16 (permalink)

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Sorry, this is my fault. I am getting close in the queue, and as such the universe has slowed it to a crawl. This is the same reason I waited in a 45 minute queue to buy NBA Finals tickets this morning only to get a 404 not found at the end. 




DAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That just made my day. Thank you. And I understand. My power is the weather. I cannot speak about the weather or there will be grave repercussions. 

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