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2010/09/04 15:33:10 (permalink)
In a constant pursuit to maximize my PPD/$, I looked into the Time-of-Use electricity rates from my electric company in Madison, WI.

Normal rates
$0.13873/kwh in summer
$0.12779/kwh in winter
 
Time-of-Use rates
Peak = $0.24476/kwh summer (June 1st-Sept 30th) and $0.21873/kwh during winter months
Non-peak = $0.0671/kwh during summer and winter months

Time-of-Use rates consists of Peak hours from 10am-9pm Monday-Friday and Non-peak hours during all other hours during the week, including weekends. I also have to sign a 12-month contract that locks me into these rates b/c a different power meter must be installed.

Time-of-Use makes the most sense for:
- renters with nobody in the apartment during the day hours and willing to turn off/lower AC and heat usage
- air conditioner and furnace that runs on electricity
- willing to use high-energy appliances during non-peak hours and weekends (washing machines, dryers, dishwashers)
- Folders who have GPUs that consume a lot of power and are willing to fold GPUs during the non-peak hours only

I basically pay 1/2 the price during non-peak hours and 2x the price during peak hours. The obvious goal is to maximize PC power use during non-peak hours and minimize during peak hours. I plan to fold bigadv on my i7 920 4.0ghz CPU 8 cores curing the peak hours and fold with the (2) 480's 1650mhz and 7 cores on the CPU during the non-peak hours. 

CPU 8 cores bigadv 2685 wu = 30k PPD using 375W of power (measured with Kill-a-Watt energy meter)
CPU 7 cores bigadv 2685 wu, (2) 480's = 55k PPD using 820W of power

During a full 7-day week, I will be folding for 55 peak hours and 113 non-peak hours. That's correct - there are 2x as many non-peak hours in a full week. I will only be folding the CPU 8 cores during the peak hours. Of the 113 non-peak hours, 12.5 hours will be on CPU 8 cores only, and 100.5 hours on CPU 7 cores and (2) 480's. This setup equates to:

Time-of-Use rates = $10.88/week
84,375 points/week CPU 8 cores (67.5 hrs/wk x 1,250 points/hr = 84,375 points/wk) 
230,246 points/week CPU 7 cores, (2) 480's (100.5 hrs/wk x 2,291 points/hr = 230,246 points/wk)
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314,620 total points/week @ $10.88 = 289 points/$0.01


Normal rates = $14.94/week
211 points/$0.01


In summary, the Time-of-Use rates work best for me and will save me close to $16 per month. Since my wife and I are at work during the majority of peak hours and we live in a 1 bedroom apartment, we will turn off our AC and heat during the day. We will only use our high-energy appliances during the non-peak hours. My PC folding setup with the (2) 480's makes me an ideal user for the Time-of-Use rates b/c I don't mind turning the GPUs on and off to use only during the non-peak hours. 
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    Re:Time-of-Use electricity rate calculations 2010/12/27 12:15:01 (permalink)
    I'm bumping this post to make others aware of electricity rates.

    I am not able to fold 24/7 so I choose to fold only during the non-peak hours. This saves me 50% off my electricity use for my folder.


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    Re:Time-of-Use electricity rate calculations 2010/12/28 08:17:41 (permalink)
    I'm going to ask that you not bump this thread. What I'll do is allow this thread to be stickied for a while just so beginning folders can see what kind of bills they can be expecting.

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    Re:Time-of-Use electricity rate calculations 2010/12/29 06:10:36 (permalink)
    i want to just point out. every regin is diffrent!
     
    if you happen to live in huge house ( more than 4 bed rooms) there is a chance you will pay a "multifamily"  price. 
    Your lucky there is a non-peak rate. many  dense population areas do not have this since they will loose alot of money in long run.
     
     
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    Re:Time-of-Use electricity rate calculations 2011/01/06 14:44:18 (permalink)
    Hmm, so at your rates it cost me just under $3.00 / per day, or $90.00 a month


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    Re:Time-of-Use electricity rate calculations 2011/01/15 17:32:58 (permalink)
    I now feel lucky to live in an area with cheap power, for me it's:
    $.085578 Per KWH for the first 600 KWH, and
    $.103561 Per KWH for anything above that in a month.
     
    I used to **** about these rates because PSE is the most expensive in Washington state.
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    Re:Time-of-Use electricity rate calculations 2011/01/16 00:24:10 (permalink)
    tier 1# 0.07981per kwh for first 40kwh per month
    tier 2# 0.08127per kwh for next 40kwh per month
    tier 3# 0.11127per kwh for next 40kwh per month
    tier 4# 0.13125per kwh for next 40kwh per month
    tier 5# 0.14110per kwh for next 40kwh per month
    tier 6# 0.15110per kwh for next 50kwh per month
    and so on up to tier 15# at 0.31115
    i'm at tier 10 at .21110 per kwh because of the pool
    they do not have off peek timing on my block
    (yes in socal they have it but in some places the wont)
    if they did i do it and have all my pool gear run at off peek rates
    my bill is 290-390$ a month 410~500 in summer with the A/C on
    this is why i have been holding off on building a farm

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    Re:Time-of-Use electricity rate calculations 2011/02/05 05:05:33 (permalink)
    I live in california and use PGE and my electric bill without folding was 500$ peak. I can't wait to see what it is when i get some proper cards to fold on.
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    Re:Time-of-Use electricity rate calculations 2011/03/26 23:56:42 (permalink)
    yumm holy crrap i pay .06618 kwh no offpeak and so forth and pay ruffly 120$ a month for a 3 bed 2 bath 2 hot water heats set to ruffly 125 degrees and dish washer and old washer and dryer. i throw a fit about the bill i had here cuz its normly around 60. but dang id hate to have your guys bills
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    Re:Time-of-Use electricity rate calculations 2011/03/27 00:18:18 (permalink)
    techmasterjoe

    tier 1# 0.07981per kwh for first 40kwh per month
    tier 2# 0.08127per kwh for next 40kwh per month
    tier 3# 0.11127per kwh for next 40kwh per month
    tier 4# 0.13125per kwh for next 40kwh per month
    tier 5# 0.14110per kwh for next 40kwh per month
    tier 6# 0.15110per kwh for next 50kwh per month
    and so on up to tier 15# at 0.31115
    i'm at tier 10 at .21110 per kwh because of the pool
    they do not have off peek timing on my block
    (yes in socal they have it but in some places the wont)
    if they did i do it and have all my pool gear run at off peek rates
    my bill is 290-390$ a month 410~500 in summer with the A/C on
    this is why i have been holding off on building a farm


    ugh, same gibberish here, too. Near Sactown to your far north. "tiered" ... I'm just lucky we aren't billed per GB like cell phones are, lol. No cable, so plenty of Netflix to throw around. Occasional Hulu. Lots of youtube.

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    Re:Time-of-Use electricity rate calculations 2011/06/03 15:31:13 (permalink)
    Hmm...I wonder... if this might up my bill...haha
     
    Folding 2X 580's at 850mhz, 1 470 at 750mzh, and all 12 cores on a 980x at 4.2 folding.
     

     
    With just the GPU's
     

     
     
     
     
     

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    Re:Time-of-Use electricity rate calculations 2011/06/12 19:58:58 (permalink)
    I love taking my computer with me when i travel for a few months at a time... I get to fold 24/7 on the hotels electricity :D
     

     
     
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    Re:Time-of-Use electricity rate calculations 2011/07/31 05:36:28 (permalink)
    they used to offer this in my area, but have now done away with the program. although I am still granfathered in as long as there isnt an interuption in my service.  Although the penalty here for using during peak times is quite high. When I was running a 200 series GPU farm my bill was insanely high.
     
    I am working on getting a local company to host my next project on site so I can maybe escape another year of uber high electric costs.
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    Re:Time-of-Use electricity rate calculations 2011/07/31 09:48:46 (permalink)
    hey EG!, good for ya
     
    It would be easier if you registered as a charity donating services (computer time) to pande. then donors could write off donations of $$ to ya
     
    I wonder what kind of legal morangle (jungle) that would be in the US.
     


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    Re:Time-of-Use electricity rate calculations 2011/07/31 12:03:19 (permalink)
    Xavier FoldingForTheFuture is a federally recognized non profit org. I had to do that to gain access to certain resources that you gain as non profit. Also its possible to write off certain aspects of costs on your income taxes in the US, but can be quite tricky and require the advice of a Tax attorney .
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    Re:Time-of-Use electricity rate calculations 2011/08/25 09:49:47 (permalink)
    Hello:
     
    I actually made a quick spreadsheet that calcuates how much gaming and some folding costs you.  Given, it's rough and only calcuates based on your exact kWh price.  Give, it's a good estimate.
     
    EDIT: Ok, I don't have "50 posts", and therefore cannot submit a link here... ARGH!!!  Anyway I can post the link to the spreadsheet?  This is rediculous...
      
     

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    Re:Time-of-Use electricity rate calculations 2011/08/26 08:54:02 (permalink)
    Could you PM me a link of the spreadsheet?  I'd love to see what my costs will be like.  I just got a second 570 and I've had to keep them clocked at 825 to keep power consumption low enough to use my 750PSU.  My 1200W comes today though so its full steam ahead!


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    Re:Time-of-Use electricity rate calculations 2011/08/26 12:06:42 (permalink)
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    Could you PM me a link of the spreadsheet?  I'd love to see what my costs will be like.  I just got a second 570 and I've had to keep them clocked at 825 to keep power consumption low enough to use my 750PSU.  My 1200W comes today though so its full steam ahead!


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    Re:Time-of-Use electricity rate calculations 2011/08/26 13:13:24 (permalink)
    The spreadsheet from eduncan911 is here
     
    I just used it, and it was really helpful to estimate my power costs for folding 24/7 and see the effects of how much I fold on the monthly bill.  60 bucks a month is worth it for the science   Thanks!
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    Re:Time-of-Use electricity rate calculations 2011/08/26 13:13:49 (permalink)
    Ok, thanks to Yeen, we found a way to hack around the link restrictions in these forums (I wrote one of the original forums software back in the mid-90s, this is rediculous that I have to spam the forums with 50 mesages before being allowed to link to something useful for people...)
     
    Here's the link to the spreadsheet I created.
     
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    Re:Time-of-Use electricity rate calculations 2011/12/22 18:04:43 (permalink)
    not really bad at all


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    Re:Time-of-Use electricity rate calculations 2012/02/09 12:51:47 (permalink)
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    Hmm...I wonder... if this might up my bill...haha

    Folding 2X 580's at 850mhz, 1 470 at 750mzh, and all 12 cores on a 980x at 4.2 folding.



    With just the GPU's








     
    Depends on your electric rates but, folding with 2 GTX 580's @ 900MHz and an I7 920@4.2GHz all overclocked costs me 150$ a month extra (12 hours of folding per day) on my electric bill. I had to give up folding for a while because of the ridiculous rates we're charged here in California(PG&E).
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    Re:Time-of-Use electricity rate calculations 2012/03/06 10:35:15 (permalink)
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    Hmm...I wonder... if this might up my bill...haha

    Folding 2X 580's at 850mhz, 1 470 at 750mzh, and all 12 cores on a 980x at 4.2 folding.



    With just the GPU's









    Depends on your electric rates but, folding with 2 GTX 580's @ 900MHz and an I7 920@4.2GHz all overclocked costs me 150$ a month extra (12 hours of folding per day) on my electric bill. I had to give up folding for a while because of the ridiculous rates we're charged here in California(PG&E).

     
    geez man, $150 extra for a single folding desktop? California is crazy!
    here in NJ I usually pay max $50 extra (to PSEG) if I keep folding on everything at all times (power draw of around 900watts non-stop)... I mean I used to with 260 cards ... not sure about now hehe, might get surprised soon I think.

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    Re:Time-of-Use electricity rate calculations 2012/03/06 17:35:16 (permalink)
    I made some calculations for my own household in nothern NJ (using PSEG electrical supply) and came up with the following.
     
    NJ's PSEG charges 2 fees for electrical power usage, 1 constant and 2 variable ones (one flexible based on tiers).
    In short with daily PPD around 40k, a folder needs around 8.75 days to hit the 350K PPD limit in order to qualify for 10 evga bucks credit.
     
    since I can see on my APC UPS that folding only (with monitor switched off) on 2x 570 GPUs uses roughly 700 watts per hour at a steady average, it means I need ~147KWh to complete the task.
     
    current NJ's PSEG power supply rates in my area:
    a) flat (?) service charge of $2.52
    b) linear distribution charge of 1KWh @ $0.065428571
    c) supply BGC charge divided into tiers:
    - 1-199 KWh @ $0.118643216
    - 200-398 KWh @ $0.119497487
    - 399-598 KWh @ $0.122826087
    - and so on ...
     
    since folding is an added extra it won't matter for the flat charge, but it will place itself in the highest tier of a supply charge instead.
     
    in my case and my energy usage the folding charges place themselves within 2nd and 3rd tier of supply charge.
     
    total of using extra 147KWh of energy comes up to around $27.34+ a month currently.
     
    it would be more if I lived in a self standing house with generally 2x-4x higher energy usage in general, but I live in a 1 bedroom apartment, so it's a saving ... somewhat (not in a long run I guess hehe).
     
    also, my calculations are based on 2x 570 cards which are quite PPD vs wattage efficient, if you are using older 200 or 400 series cards (less PPD efficient or getting less credited projects assigned to them), then this bill grows pretty fast.
     
    just posting so you know what to expect around here in NJ.
     
    is folding worth it for evga bucks alone? no, evga covers only around 30% of charges in the most optimal scenario. if you are trying to fold for money, stop doing it, you are loosing.
     
    is folding worth it for greater good? YES, that's the whole point here, otherwise it makes no sense at all.
    post edited by feniks - 2012/03/06 17:39:47

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    Re:Time-of-Use electricity rate calculations 2012/03/12 06:31:15 (permalink)
    I'm actually never going to calculate how much my 24/7 Folding costs me as I'm afraid I'll uninstall when I see the results.  Had a break since Sept. when issues between computer and attitude were a problem but since 3/1/12 I have been 24/7 folding on 470 Slid, 2600K on C1 and 460 with Q6600 on C2... I don't want to know I;m just going to pretend that its summer and I am already using the ACs, doing lots of laundry, and running hot water through the deep freezer.  That should be about enough excuses. 

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    Re:Time-of-Use electricity rate calculations 2012/05/10 11:54:18 (permalink)
    I was just searching the forums about how fast of a of an internet connecton you need to have to do the  fold program, came across this thread, most interesting to say the least considering where I live we pay .44 kwh, not .044 and it is expected in the next 6 months to go as high as .80 due the fact that we are closing the refinery on this island, which we are now in the middle of doing and the refinery used produce the no. 2 oil for the electric company's ancient electric generators. My last bill for 587 kwh was 252.80, maybe folding here is not a good idea... lol
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    Re:Time-of-Use electricity rate calculations 2012/07/30 09:50:34 (permalink)
    Great thread, used it to calculate how much it would cost to add a ps3 slim to my setup, turns out its crazy cheap lol.
     
    Thanks again for the work put into this, i hate doing make work projects :P




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    Re:Time-of-Use electricity rate calculations 2012/09/05 13:18:53 (permalink)
    excellent thread. I have to make the calculations for new york rates.

     



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    Re:Time-of-Use electricity rate calculations 2012/09/07 17:01:46 (permalink)
    i quit folding a long time ago due to expense and electricity just kept on going up, i may look into it again now that i have a couple of rigs (the old tried and true 780i is not being used atm and my x58 righ that i just finished with the tri-sli and 9600gt for physics, gotta check with the electric company though.

    i am offended by your sig so you need to remove it. 


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    Re:Time-of-Use electricity rate calculations 2012/10/23 09:33:59 (permalink)
    With my i7 960 and 670 folding nearly 24/7, I'm looking at ~$35/mo where I am.  Adding a 650ti soon which will put me nearer to $50/mo.  That's my limit, lol!

     
      


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