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2021/04/16 22:30:38 (permalink)
Hi
 
I've managed to buy an RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra at last and should be receiving it in a week or so.
 
As this is one of the smallest RTX 3080 cards, and I'll be using it in an ITX case (NCASE M1), I wanted to do all I can to improve the cooling.
 
I plan to re-paste the GPU, replace the stock thermal pads, and add thermal pads between the back of the card and the backplate.
 
I was hoping someone here had disassembled the card and could tell me how thick the thermal pads are for the memory and VRM?
 
A measurement of the gap between the card and backplate would be handy too. From the images I've looked at it appears to be about 3mm.
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Re: Thermal Pads for GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra 2021/04/17 06:32:08 (permalink)
I think the card comes fine from factory, and even if you did everything maybe no more than 2-3 celcious difference, so better watch the thermals and as long as you dont overclock the gddr6x memory it will be fine
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Re: Thermal Pads for GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra 2021/04/17 07:41:17 (permalink)
I'll be testing the card before I make any changes to it, but I've already read in several places that the XC3 cards run quiet, but fairly warm (compared to bigger cards with larger heatsinks like the FTW3).
 
As I'm about to place an Amazon order I thought I'd get some thermal pads before the card arrives if I can find out what thickness I need.
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Re: Thermal Pads for GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra 2021/04/17 08:13:23 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby AlexTSG 2021/04/17 11:31:55
You can email support & ask for the sizes for your GPU
 
You can find some FTW3 thermal pad info here:  https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/3250636  (XC3 not listed)
 
ITX & a cool running GPU ... to say that will be a challenge, is an understatement
 
Might want to add a hybrid cooler to push the GPU heat out of the case
 
EVGA HYBRID Kit for EVGA GeForce RTX 3090/3080 XC3, 400-HY-1978-B1, ARGB
 
The ACX designed coolers dump most of the heat into the case & it is up to your case fans to get it out of the case, before the GPU cooler recycles the heated air - causing a heat loop & increased temps
 
 

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Re: Thermal Pads for GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra 2021/04/17 09:20:52 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby AlexTSG 2021/04/17 11:32:19
I trusted EVGA and didn't touch the front of my card, but even with a hybrid cooler (and my rad mounted outside my case) it's easy to push memory temps (Tjuction) sky high. If you want to put pads between the PCB and the backplate, that gap is 3mm. That'll only do a couple of degrees on its own, but I think some folks were getting almost 10C improvement by then adding fins and a fan on top.

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Re: Thermal Pads for GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra 2021/04/17 11:40:04 (permalink)
I'll probably start off with some 3mm pads between the PCB and backplate, as that's a fairly simple addition.
 
It's nice to know that there's an EVGA Hybrid Kit available should I want to go that route in the future. 
 
My current case only has space for a single 240mm radiator, and that's going to be used for my CPU.
 
Once the card arrives and I've done some testing, I'll post results here, as well as the results of any modifications I do so that others can see if it's worth the effort (and cost).
 
Thanks for all the replies!
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Re: Thermal Pads for GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra 2021/04/17 11:57:43 (permalink)
Case space be damned - can I introduce you to the dark underworld of externally-mounted radiators?
https://forums.evga.com/Wallmounting-DG77-m3119343.aspx
I honestly can't figure out why there aren't cases with separate airflow zones for radiators (full towers are certainly big enough) rather than either venting inside or pulling from the case. Until then, this is my best alternative.
I was doing the wall-mount anyway, which worked out well, but it shouldn't be too hard to do something similar on a stand, desk, or even the case itself.

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Re: Thermal Pads for GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra 2021/04/17 15:08:00 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby AlexTSG 2021/04/18 00:06:40
I used 3mm between the backplate on my 3080 ftw3 ultra along with some 20x20x10mm aluminum heatsinks on top and my memory junction stays around 66-68 while gaming and rarely peaks at 70-72. This is with voltage capped at 0.975 and the core running at the same ~2ghz that it was boosting to stock. Peak temps on PWR sensors are around 10c cooler. Core/memory temps dropped around 6-8c. 
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Re: Thermal Pads for GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra 2021/04/18 00:07:46 (permalink)
I've added 2 packs of the Thermalright 12.8W/mK 3mm pads to my Amazon cart. I figure that should be enough. One pack sliced up to do the back of the memory modules, and the other for the VRM.
 
They have good reviews from people using them to replace stock GPU pads.
 
I have a FLIR thermal camera, so I'll remove the backplate first and run the card under load so I can confirm which areas are heating up the most. 
 
As I'm still waiting on some other items I need to come into stock I probably won't be able to do this for at least four to six weeks.  That should be sufficient time to run the card stock and get a good idea of it's default performance, temps, and reliability.
 
Hopefully I'll get lucky with the silicon lottery and get a chip that undervolts well to get those higher and more stable boost clocks.
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Re: Thermal Pads for GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra 2021/04/18 10:37:01 (permalink)
The would be a great review post to make, with FLIR photos of stock backplate, without backplate & then after your mods

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Re: Thermal Pads for GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra 2021/04/30 03:40:01 (permalink)
How did this go for you?  I recently had to do a repair job on an FTW3 Ultra that someone tried to do themselves with the wrong pad sizes.  It severely thermal throttled because the pads were basically doing nothing.  I used 2mm for the VRAM and 1mm to replace the thermal "puddy" and the card now works like a champ again.

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Re: Thermal Pads for GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra 2021/04/30 05:48:38 (permalink)
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How did this go for you?  I recently had to do a repair job on an FTW3 Ultra that someone tried to do themselves with the wrong pad sizes.  It severely thermal throttled because the pads were basically doing nothing.  I used 2mm for the VRAM and 1mm to replace the thermal "puddy" and the card now works like a champ again.




Did you have to re-seat the heatsink more than once or get it the 1st try?

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Re: Thermal Pads for GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra 2021/04/30 07:10:27 (permalink)
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How did this go for you?  I recently had to do a repair job on an FTW3 Ultra that someone tried to do themselves with the wrong pad sizes.  It severely thermal throttled because the pads were basically doing nothing.  I used 2mm for the VRAM and 1mm to replace the thermal "puddy" and the card now works like a champ again.




I've had the card for a few days now, but the Thermalright Pads will only be arriving on 17 May, according to Amazon.  This order just has 2 packs of the 3mm pads, so my first test will be seeing how much improvement I can get by just adding thermal pads between the PCB and backplate.  
 
I'll do some thorough testing of the card stock, before I bring a screwdriver anywhere near it.  I'll be testing it in games, Blender, and doing some Ethereum mining to ensure I get a good idea of the temps with different workloads. I expect ETH mining to heat up the memory the most, for example.
 
I imagine there should be some improvement given that the card has no thermal interface connecting the backplate at all.
 
I think the safest option for the next step, where I'll actually remove the heatsink and fan assembly, would be to buy a selection of 0.5mm - 3mm pads, and measure each stock pad as accurately as possible to get a perfect match for the replacements.  The thermal putty is my biggest concern.
 
It does seem like quite a few people have ended up with worse performance than stock while trying to re-paste their cards, so I'd obviously like to avoid that! Although, that may be down to problems like the one you've fixed, with the wrong size pads being used.  
 
Nice neat job on those replacement pads, btw!
post edited by AlexTSG - 2021/04/30 07:12:24
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Re: Thermal Pads for GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra 2021/04/30 14:27:13 (permalink)
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How did this go for you?  I recently had to do a repair job on an FTW3 Ultra that someone tried to do themselves with the wrong pad sizes.  It severely thermal throttled because the pads were basically doing nothing.  I used 2mm for the VRAM and 1mm to replace the thermal "puddy" and the card now works like a champ again.




Did you have to re-seat the heatsink more than once or get it the 1st try?


I measured the bad pads on the way out with a caliper and took my time to make sure the clearances made sense so it actually worked perfect on the first try.  Although I did have a time once with a different brand 3080 where it didn't work on the first try - everyone said the VRAM on that card was 3mm  needless to say I didn't measure and assumed it was right and and it was not.  So when I took the card apart the second time the thermal paste didn't even get on the heatsink it was so far away SMH lol.  Reduced the pads by 1mm on that install and then it worked much better.  Measuring the factory pads is a great idea to make sure that you have a good fit.
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Re: Thermal Pads for GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra 2021/04/30 14:34:10 (permalink)
Yes a selection is ideal.  I only have 1mm, 2mm, and 3mm but the best version is having them by 0.5mm increments - so far with the 3080s I have been fine with 1,2, and 3mm but I have seen other users use 1.5mm and 2.5mm in some areas.  The 3080 problem child had 1.5mm on the VRAM and that was the main cause of thermal throttling.  Best suggestion is use a caliper when you remove the pads to get the factory thickness. The price of the caliper on amazon is worth the avoided headaches of putting in the wrong pad size.

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Re: Thermal Pads for GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra 2021/04/30 14:39:08 (permalink)
Evga tech about thermal pad sizes: https://forums.evga.com/m.m.aspx?m=3249351&p=2
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Re: Thermal Pads for GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra 2021/04/30 18:47:40 (permalink)
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The price of the caliper on amazon is worth the avoided headaches of putting in the wrong pad size.



I've been using an iGaging Digital Caliper I got from Amazon for about 3 years or so and it's been excellent.
 
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Evga tech about thermal pad sizes:


Unfortunately, that post only has thermal pad sizes for the FTW cards.  I'm hoping to add the correct sizes for the XC3 that I have to it once I'm replaced them.
 
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Re: Thermal Pads for GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra 2021/05/04 18:47:03 (permalink)
Any updates on this? I am trying to find the correct size for XC3 aswell. No luck
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Re: Thermal Pads for GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra 2021/05/09 00:06:22 (permalink)

Here is the measurement. 
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Re: Thermal Pads for GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra 2021/05/10 17:29:06 (permalink)
1 pack of Thermal Grizzly Minus Pad 8 Thermal Pad, 120 × 20 × 1.0 mm
1 pack of Thermal Grizzly Minus Pad 8 Thermal Pads, 120 x 20 x 2.0 mm
1 pack of Thermalright or other 3.0 thermal pads, approx 100 x 100 x 3.0 mm due to the VRM lines and the backplate.
1 tube of Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut paste or other paste
 
It depends on how much is inside the pack of pads.  120 x 20 just made it for 1mm and 2mm, needed more of the 3mm due to back plate pads over memory.
 
 
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Re: Thermal Pads for GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra 2021/05/10 20:21:06 (permalink)
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Hi
 
I've managed to buy an RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra at last and should be receiving it in a week or so.
 
As this is one of the smallest RTX 3080 cards, and I'll be using it in an ITX case (NCASE M1), I wanted to do all I can to improve the cooling.
 
I plan to re-paste the GPU, replace the stock thermal pads, and add thermal pads between the back of the card and the backplate.
 
I was hoping someone here had disassembled the card and could tell me how thick the thermal pads are for the memory and VRM?
 
A measurement of the gap between the card and backplate would be handy too. From the images I've looked at it appears to be about 3mm.


It's okay to just say you're going to be mining with it ;) Running my 3080 normally, the temps with the vram were high, but within spec, but for mining, it was throttling like mad. From my experience with a gigabyte 3080, the space between the backplate and the vram was 3mm and the front and the vram is 2mm. I've seen exactly the same with the Dell 3080.


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Re: Thermal Pads for GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra 2021/05/10 23:08:36 (permalink)
I'm suprised some of the thermal tricks people are using for cards haven't been implemented by some of the card manufacturer's, or maybe I'm missing something.
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Re: Thermal Pads for GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra 2021/05/11 00:38:20 (permalink)
I recommend to search for a tutorial on youtube

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Re: Thermal Pads for GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra 2021/05/12 09:54:43 (permalink)
I heard EVGA cards are prepaded quite well compare to others. Gigabyte GPUs seems to be the worst when it comes to thermal pads.
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Re: Thermal Pads for GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra 2021/05/19 01:28:55 (permalink)
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I heard EVGA cards are prepaded quite well compare to others. Gigabyte GPUs seems to be the worst when it comes to thermal pads.




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Re: Thermal Pads for GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra 2021/05/20 03:27:23 (permalink)
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I'm suprised some of the thermal tricks people are using for cards haven't been implemented by some of the card manufacturer's, or maybe I'm missing something.


Cost I'd guess.
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Re: Thermal Pads for GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra 2021/06/02 09:12:20 (permalink)
Jacob answered a similar question on another post and gave exact measurements on the 3090. I'd think the 3080 will still be similar. He did say that putty is used in some places where the gaps are larger like over 2.5mm

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Re: Thermal Pads for GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra 2021/06/02 23:52:37 (permalink)
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Re: Thermal Pads for GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra 2021/06/02 23:54:44 (permalink)
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I'm suprised some of the thermal tricks people are using for cards haven't been implemented by some of the card manufacturer's, or maybe I'm missing something.


Cost I'd guess.


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