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2017/08/06 17:50:43 (permalink)
Edit: False alarm. Narrowed it down to Project # 11409, that one is giving me a total system PPD of ~1,261,000  which is a full 200,000 above my normal PPD. That is some pretty huge variation in project PPD. 
 
Keep hearing about how the 385.12 drivers are boosting results for the TitanXP in productive software, saw a footnote that indicated it applies to Pascal in general so figured I'd see what they did for folding. My 1080 Ti typically averages 1.05 million PPD, and the very first WU after upgrading to 385.12 I'm seeing between 1.17-1.22 million PPD. Would definitely recommend all Pascal 1080 and 1080 Ti folders use the 385.12 drivers!
 
As a sidenote, the FAH load on the GPU appears to have increased. Most FAH projects ran at 2050Mhz and now it's only boosting to 1961Mhz, probably the result of better utilization of Pascal's core. Yet the PPD is at minimum 100,000 higher... Will have to get a larger WU sample size to see what the new average is.
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    Re: The 385.12 drivers boost more than just the TitanXP 2017/08/06 17:55:17 (permalink)
    interesting.  I'll upgrade tonight and see what occurs.  

     

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    Re: The 385.12 drivers boost more than just the TitanXP 2017/08/06 18:02:19 (permalink)
    The Maya and professional apps got some optimizations on the Titan line only. No one really tests folding performance anymore. Good to know it affects some of the lower tier as well. I haven't seen any testing that showed improvements for the 1080ti and such.


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    Re: The 385.12 drivers boost more than just the TitanXP 2017/08/06 18:14:07 (permalink)
    Your boost speeds may be an error with your overclocking software. My 1080ti's will not load the overclocks unless I reset to default and then reapply the profile for the set overclock. If I start my machine and set it to fold, it stays at 1911mhz, even though afterburner said it was overclocking the cards.

    Once I reset the overclock, it was boosting to 2012.
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    Re: The 385.12 drivers boost more than just the TitanXP 2017/08/07 14:45:01 (permalink)
    For the record, my day of folding with these new drivers has sucked.  The average time per fold has increased by at least 10 seconds on every project (minimum!!), and my ppd on my rig has DROPPED from 1.7 million ppd to 1.22 million ppd.  These drivers are horrible for folding on 1080's.  My overclock on my cards has stayed the same so I know it's not the cards that are the problem.  On project 10496 I'm not even scoring 600k ppd on a 1080FTW running at 1974 and 4911!  Back to the good old working drivers it is.

     

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    Re: The 385.12 drivers boost more than just the TitanXP 2017/08/07 20:11:16 (permalink)
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    For the record, my day of folding with these new drivers has sucked.  The average time per fold has increased by at least 10 seconds on every project (minimum!!), and my ppd on my rig has DROPPED from 1.7 million ppd to 1.22 million ppd.  These drivers are horrible for folding on 1080's.  My overclock on my cards has stayed the same so I know it's not the cards that are the problem.  On project 10496 I'm not even scoring 600k ppd on a 1080FTW running at 1974 and 4911!  Back to the good old working drivers it is.


    Lately I have been getting a steady diet of nothing but 10496 WU. My 980 boards are dipping under 875,000 ppd where they always gave me more than 1 million ppd. My 980 ti setup is getting its usual 1.4 million ppd so no change there. I know it's apples and oranges but I have been considering a pair of GTX-1080 Sea Hawk EK X boards. What is the best driver for Folding with the 1080 boards? My 900 series are still getting the best results using 373.06 WHQL. Obviously the 385.12 drivers aren't happening.
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    Re: The 385.12 drivers boost more than just the TitanXP 2017/08/07 20:17:55 (permalink)
    I was using 373.06 prior to this and was averaging 1.6-1.7 mppd for 2 1080's.  I'd say if you're going to spend the money on the seahawks just get some cheap 1080ti's.  The Ti's are only about 100 bucks more and you will get a lot more points per day vs what you get with the 1080's.  Vega is out shortly so maybe some Ti's will hit the market if it's a folding beast?  Apparently it mines ETH like no other haha so that might mean 1070's and 1060's will come down in price finally!  And that means EVGA can bring those B-Stock prices back to normal..cause they are so out of whack it ain't funny.

     

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    Re: The 385.12 drivers boost more than just the TitanXP 2017/08/07 20:35:02 (permalink)
    I should have snagged these when they were down to $569.99 but now they're almost $600: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127952
    Nobody has these but they were $859.99 each: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814137144
    Those 1080 ti Sea Hawk EK X would have been a nice upgrade for my water cooled GTX-980 Gaming 4G setup I use everyday. I really want to keep my full loop but I'm not sure about spending a ton of cash just for Folding. NewEgg went through three orders of 30 boards and aren't planning on getting any more.
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    Re: The 385.12 drivers boost more than just the TitanXP 2017/08/07 20:43:40 (permalink)
    though my sample size on this new beta driver is still kinda small, only ~50 units, when compared to the last 500,  dating from 7-21 till 7-31, running my previous driver i see a very minuscule 2.5% improvement. going from ~1.02 Million PPD on a 1080ti to ~1.05 Million PPD. and these numbers are actual reported points and not estimated.
     
    all in all i see no reason to favor any driver at this point in time for the 1080ti. any older card, Titan/1080/1070/1060, should still try and run 372.90 or that slightly updated one, before nvidia "fixed" a bug in the code and made everything screwy.
    post edited by Chris21010 - 2017/08/07 20:47:38


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    Re: The 385.12 drivers boost more than just the TitanXP 2017/08/07 20:52:28 (permalink)
    I get best results using the 373.06 with the older cards as do many others. I'll have to see if I can't 'mod' some of the 373.06 WHQL for use with the 1080 ti boards: http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=377158
     
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    Re: The 385.12 drivers boost more than just the TitanXP 2017/08/07 21:04:53 (permalink)
    OMG, sooo much yes! i will have to try that out asap tomorrow. though right now i must sleep and then awake to leave for a long day of work :/
     
    i also wonder how hard it would be to replicate results for linux drivers if this were to work...
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    Re: The 385.12 drivers boost more than just the TitanXP 2017/08/07 21:16:43 (permalink)
    They do much more driver modding over at Guru3D than anywhere else I know. Very often they will mod a Tesla or Quadro driver for a regular desktop board to improve performance to a level not possible with the official WHQL drivers released.
    post edited by Zuhl3156 - 2017/08/08 03:28:38
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    Re: The 385.12 drivers boost more than just the TitanXP 2017/08/08 16:15:02 (permalink)
    welp, that was a failure... it got past the compatibility check but failed on the install right after the first screen flicker and stayed in 800x600.


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    Re: The 385.12 drivers boost more than just the TitanXP 2017/08/09 16:38:39 (permalink)
    Okay guess it was false alarm, sorry guys! 
     
    Odd coincidence as immediately after I updated to 385.12 I must have begun getting a new project and didn't notice. Got the same project for a few days, then suddenly I'm back to the old PPD again. I see four different projects in the log. Haven't had time to test it properly as I've been spending the week watching The International 7. One of these Projects was boosting my 1080 Ti's PPD by 150K though, which still seems crazy to me considering 150K was almost my combined PPD before I got this card.  Not used to that much variation between projects....
     
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    Re: The 385.12 drivers boost more than just the TitanXP 2017/08/09 17:07:39 (permalink)
    I normally got a ppd boost whenever a new driver was released but have stayed with 373.06 since they worked so well from the beginning. Project #10496 is just about the only WU I get these days. The 980 boards took a massive hit of more than 100k ppd for each board. The 980 ti boards stayed about the same.
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    Re: The 385.12 drivers boost more than just the TitanXP 2017/08/13 23:14:48 (permalink)
    The International 7 has ended, and Liquid has won  That also means I've resumed folding again.
     
    Narrowed it down to Project # 11409, that one is giving me a total system PPD of ~1,261,000  which is a full 200,000 above my normal system PPD. That is some pretty huge variation in project PPD. 


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    Re: The 385.12 drivers boost more than just the TitanXP 2017/08/14 04:57:01 (permalink)
    Yeah I tried them and did not help much at all.


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    Re: The 385.12 drivers boost more than just the TitanXP 2017/08/16 12:14:10 (permalink)
    10409 likes the 1080 and 1080ti - 10496 definitely DOES NOT.
     
    941x projects also seem to hate the 1080ti and 1080 - seems to be something about GDDR5X that these particular projects dislike for some reason.
     
     

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    Re: The 385.12 drivers boost more than just the TitanXP 2017/08/18 09:23:47 (permalink)
    Ive been letting my 1080ti fold 24/7 for the past 3 or 4 days and its average 1.3 to 1.4m ppd. I am on the 384.94 drivers 

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    Re: The 385.12 drivers boost more than just the TitanXP 2017/08/19 20:59:09 (permalink)
    Actually Tiffo60 if you check the EOC page, your card really is averaging only 1.1 million per day.  It may say you are getting 1.3-1.4 but your real numbers are only 1.1!  Yes I stalked you just to find out haha.  Sorry I have been debating on getting a 1080ti for folding, but my dual 1080's can pull anywhere from 1.2-1.8 million.  The 1.2 is a really, REALLY bad day of bad work units.  So I just don't know if a 1080ti is worth the extra cash.  I know it would be awesome to add to my numbers :)  Just not sure if the "return" would be worth it.
     
    And worst part is the 1080ti would need it's own system as the current drivers that work with the 1080ti suck for the 1080's!!

     

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    Re: The 385.12 drivers boost more than just the TitanXP 2017/08/22 11:34:02 (permalink)
    I'd say keep what you have, 1080's are still the next best thing. 
     
    I was incredibly close to waiting for Volta as I have high expectations for GDDR6 and Volta in general,  but fate intervened and I needed a real GPU sooner. You know the PPD is only going to continue to climb with Volta, and the power savings from GDDR6 will go back into the GPU clocks. 


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    Re: The 385.12 drivers boost more than just the TitanXP 2017/08/22 13:49:01 (permalink)
    Volta will probably not even release to the consumer marker next year... there is no reason to.


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    Re: The 385.12 drivers boost more than just the TitanXP 2017/08/22 14:31:51 (permalink)
    Well I bit the bullet anyways and ordered a 1080 Ti hybrid.  I figure I will pair it with a system and use it to fold in linux following Chris's tutorial and probably curse myself to high heaven while I fight with it trying to figure things out.  Volta won't be released to consumers as they will hoard all the cards to AI researchers and we'll be complaining much like AMD fanbois were when gamers were ignored by Vega.

     

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    Re: The 385.12 drivers boost more than just the TitanXP 2017/08/24 05:29:19 (permalink)
    Nvidia follows a pretty standard pattern these days. Super computer chips first and midrange cards last. They don't use the exact same chips and production of one chip doesn't really impact the others. Volta for consumer cards won't be coming soon, they haven't even covered add in cards yet. All they showed were very large modules that have extra hardware for AI and such that won't make it to consumer cards.

    As for AMD... They are so far behind the power/perf curve it's almost embarrassing. Even for many compute tasks, the vega architecture makes little sense when you consider the power budget. Nvidia started down the low power bandwagon way early die to their heavy super computer work. AMD just can't seem to leverage the smaller transistor size to the same extent. Hopefully they'll survive to correct their mistakes but it's starting to look grim.


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    Re: The 385.12 drivers boost more than just the TitanXP 2017/08/24 16:15:09 (permalink)
    VEGA a serious let down on the AMD side - but the RX series are quite comparable with the mid-range NVidia cards, if they'd get back down close to MSRP and then compare the similar-price offerings - both on performance AND on power usage.
     Keep in mind that the RX 580/570 is SUPPOSED to be competing with the GTX 1060 6GB/3GB, NOT the 1070, on a "same price range" basis.
     And ghods, that STILL torques me off that NVidia calls both of the 1060 options by the same name even though it's NOT the same GPU - one of those should have been called the 1055 or 1050 - they're JUST as different in very similar ways as the 580 vs 570 or 480 vs 470.
     
     It's VERY unfortunate that AMD didn't just extend the Polaris arch upwards, as opposed to being wedded to that Fury-type arch in the higher-end.
     I personally think that their insistence on trying to support two completely seperate lines like that is wasting their LIMITED R&D budget.
     
     AMD will survive, but it's obvious that in the GPU space they're STILL not able to challenge on the high end - and all factors considered I'm not holding out much hope that "Navi" will change that since it's STILL based on the same Fury/Vega type arch.
     
     AMD IS giving Intel a run for the money on the CPU side for the first time in almost a decade, and they DO still OWN the console APU market outright - they're not going to go broke anytime soon, if anything they should be banking their current BIG profits and either buying down debt big-time or putting some SERIOUS money into R&D - preferably BOTH.
     

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    Re: The 385.12 drivers boost more than just the TitanXP 2017/08/25 07:46:38 (permalink)
    Even if you go by price/perf at purchase, the total cost of ownership is higher due to the increased power draw. Their base architecture is still just too power hungry.


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    Re: The 385.12 drivers boost more than just the TitanXP 2017/08/25 08:45:29 (permalink)
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    I normally got a ppd boost whenever a new driver was released but have stayed with 373.06 since they worked so well from the beginning. Project #10496 is just about the only WU I get these days. The 980 boards took a massive hit of more than 100k ppd for each board. The 980 ti boards stayed about the same.


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    Re: The 385.12 drivers boost more than just the TitanXP 2017/08/26 20:47:00 (permalink)
    @bcavnaugh
     
    Thanks for the tip on the older driver.  I am newbie to folding and will give it a try.
     
     
     
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    Re: The 385.12 drivers boost more than just the TitanXP 2017/08/27 08:35:14 (permalink)
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    I normally got a ppd boost whenever a new driver was released but have stayed with 373.06 since they worked so well from the beginning. Project #10496 is just about the only WU I get these days. The 980 boards took a massive hit of more than 100k ppd for each board. The 980 ti boards stayed about the same.


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    Re: The 385.12 drivers boost more than just the TitanXP 2017/08/27 09:13:37 (permalink)
    Disrespect?
    Demands?
    Attitude?
     
    bahahahahahahahahahahahah I find your whole post hilarious, but you stick around SMH


     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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