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ksivagn09

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ksivagn09
Hi everyone,

With this BETA bios release, I would like to know what my options are.

I have a brand new motherboard, Z790 KingPin.

I need to buy a CPU. Should I get 13900KF or 14900KF?

From other postings, it seems the beta bios only permits the 14th gen CPUs, but it seems to may be missing everything else that has happened since these CPUs were released.

So what should I do?

I already have the other components to build the system: RAM, NVME, PS, Case, AIO, GPU.

Thanks.

The beta BIOS should allow the 14900KF to be recognized, but it's unclear if any/all other functionality will be present. It will not have APO or latest micro-code, security updates, etc. The 13900KF should work fine, but it also won't have APO or the latest security patches. If you really want to run the EVGA board, I'd stick with 13th gen CPUs.

Thanks for the reply.

If the board supports 13th Gen, from their regular / latest non beta BIOS, how will it miss having the latest APO, or security patches on the 13th Gen CPU?

Is there a direct comparison to other board manufacturers BIOS to that of EVGA BIOS when it comes to APO and security patches?

(my post disappeared, so re-posting):
 
No, there's no direct comparison, other than you can look at the features that were present at the last actual BIOS update, which was May 4th, 2023, and that was a beta version with specific fixes for memory. The last full feature-updating release was March 24th, 2023. So any security patches, micro-code updates, APO (which launched with 14th gen), etc. that came out after that have not been added to EVGA bios versions. The latest bios, according to EVGA support, only adds functional support of 14th gen CPUs (no additional bug fixes or features were added as far as they've announced). APO was originally launched for 14th gen and Intel have since added 13th gen support, but it requires a supported bios, which EVGA has not provided as far as I am aware. The Intel ME firmware is outdated. There's a known security bug that was updated late 2023 by other vendors that fixes some vulnerability with the splash screen logo usage (you can google that one for info). I think there are other security updates and possibly micro-code updates that other vendors have provided as well, but not EVGA.
 
If you don't care about those features and security patches, then it'll run 13th gen just fine. I am currently running an EVGA z690 with 13900k for example and I have no issues. I don't have APO support (not sure what I'd gain from it as I don't play games they've specifically tested with it...I'd try it, but can't), I don't use ME, and I'm just hoping for the best on any security stuff (I turn off memory integrity and some of it anyway as it impacts performance lol). So it's really up to you and what you want from the motherboard.

Hi, thank you for your detailed explanation. It is very much appreciated.

After much consideration, I am going to keep the EVGA Z790 Dark Kingpin with 13900KF (got the CPU for approx. $674 before taxes here in Canada, at Canada Computers, price matching with Amazon Canada).

I am justifying saving money on getting a new motherboard, since I paid $865 at EVGA back in Jan 2023 for this board.

I'll pair it with 2TB NVME SN850X from WD and 96GB DDR5 6800Mhz RAM from G.Skill and will be using 280mm AIO from Be Quiet! Silent Loop series. My GPU will be Strix 4090 OC.

I'll undervolt the CPU, look at other settings as well.

It'll be a bit while before I build. So we'll see.

Nereus

ksivagn09
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After much consideration, I am going to keep the EVGA Z790 Dark Kingpin with 13900KF (got the CPU for approx. $674 before taxes here in Canada, at Canada Computers, price matching with Amazon Canada).

I am justifying saving money on getting a new motherboard, since I paid $865 at EVGA back in Jan 2023 for this board.

I'll pair it with 2TB NVME SN850X from WD and 96GB DDR5 6800Mhz RAM from G.Skill and will be using 280mm AIO from Be Quiet! Silent Loop series. My GPU will be Strix 4090 OC.

I'll undervolt the CPU, look at other settings as well.

It'll be a bit while before I build. So we'll see.

Beast of a build! Enjoy!
 

Thank you,
Any recommendations for the undervolt settings on this specific board?

Any guide or link reference would be helpful.

Also, do you recommend getting a contact frame for this board to use with 13900KF? Is it necessary?

96gb of ram is way overkill if you're just gaming.   I would recommend a 4tb nvme.   I'm almost full with mine because all these games bustin over 100gb each.

Worth noting, don't expect 8000+ MT/s with dual rank dimms

Back to the topic at hand. The new beta (v117) bios seems to be working without issue for me on a 13900k/z790 Dark. No changes to my previous v115 bios settings were needed.

Been using the beta bios v117 with 14900kf, no profile changes from 13900k with bios v115 were required, had no issues.

minwoo520
When will the Z790 DARK PCIEX4 recognition problem using the PCIE TO U2 adapter card be fixed? It is not recognized every time after restarting. There are already several versions

If you've tried the 'final beta' bios v117 and it's still an issue, it's likely never going to be fixed.
 

I sent an inquiry to customer support for an update on the Z790 BIOS for 14th gen CPUs. I actually received a beta BIOS dated 4/12/2024. Need to talk to tech support  anyway since the scroll wheel on my Z20 mouse died . Will ask about BIOS file and let everyone Know.

anyone here tryna off load their z790 dark? I am interested in getting one.

MrEWhite
https://community.intel.com/t5/Processors/July-2024-Update-on-Instability-Reports-on-Intel-Core-13th-and/m-p/1617113
 
Hopefully EVGA could give us one last BIOS that fixes 13th gen and 14th gen killing themselves with voltage.

No thanks. I’ll keep my performance. The fact he states it only affects some processors makes it seem like a silicon quality issue to me. Glad my sample is a good one. Been running it at stock settings on the z690 kingpin for 1.6 years without issues.

I would not hold my breath

MrEWhite
https://community.intel.com/t5/Processors/July-2024-Update-on-Instability-Reports-on-Intel-Core-13th-and/m-p/1617113
 
Hopefully EVGA could give us one last BIOS that fixes 13th gen and 14th gen killing themselves with voltage.

If I had a 13th/14th I would limit PL1/PL2, processor core iccmax and undervolt. 
 
https://edc.intel.com/content/www/us/en/design/products/platforms/details/raptor-lake-s/13th-generation-core-processors-datasheet-volume-1-of-2/processor-line-thermal-and-power-specifications/
 
If you are still experiencing crashing after applying voltage limits your cpu is probably degraded beyond repair. 

jasnxl

jason9755
If I had a 13th/14th I would limit PL1/PL2, processor core iccmax and undervolt. 

I have the Z790 Classified with the latest Beta BIOS (1.13), and I know that setting the CPU cap will set the PL1 and PL2 limits. But I don't know what BIOS setting corresponds to the ICCMAX setting.
 
If anyone has some suggestions on what to look for in the BIOS to set ICCMAX, please feel free to respond.
 
TIA..

Use intel extreme tuning utility 
https://www.intel.com/con...utility-intel-xtu.html

ilukeberry
idk if limiting PL1/PL2 is a 100% solution for this.

it is not, adaptive voltage and LL are screwed up.

Nereus
Intel issuing microcode updates for this in August apparently, but if EVGA doesn't issue a bios update for it (which they've made pretty clear they won't), then we're screwed, right? Just as well they're still under warranty for most of us - $800 is probably worth filing for in small claims court. 

Not exactly. Just limit the voltage yourself. 

Sajin

Nereus
Intel issuing microcode updates for this in August apparently, but if EVGA doesn't issue a bios update for it (which they've made pretty clear they won't), then we're screwed, right? Just as well they're still under warranty for most of us - $800 is probably worth filing for in small claims court. 

Not exactly. Just limit the voltage yourself. 

good day guys, i could really use some help, i made an EVGA Tribute build with all EVGA parts and i also imported and bought a EVGA Z-790 dark kingpin motherboard to The Netherlands.
i don't know much about the software/programming/overclocking side of it, but i just love the EVGA brand and what it used to stand for,.. it breaks my heart to hear that EVGA is stepping out of the business and dropping the support on their product. i really hope they will make a new bios update with the new micro code so i won't accidentally blow up my intel 13900-KS. it would be really nice to hear from EVGA if there will be a Bios update with the new microcode that intel will release somewhere in august. because if they won't, then maybe a lot of EVGA z-790 Users won't even know how to fix this problem. i don't know how to lower Voltages and stuff like that, i do know how to update bios and load the default's because i was running an OC-Preset made by Luumi for daily use. maybe the community will be able to step in and give some kind of tutorial on how set safe parameters in the bios menu for noob's like me to understand how to safe my CPU from dying. or maybe some screenshot of the bios menu on what to change or in the Eleet-X1 software.
What would be consider'd a safe Voltage and what else do i need to pay attention to? please guy's could really use a hand with this 
 
my specs:
 
Coolermaster HAF 700 Evo Case
EVGA Z-790 Dark Kingpin motherboard
EVGA CLC-X 360 AIO
EVGA 1600+P Power Supply
Intel 13900-KS Processor
G-Skill Trident Z5 F5-8000J3848H16Gx2-TZ5RK Memory
Asus ROG Strix RTX4090