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Re: Sneak peak at A New Generation of Excellence, EVGA Z590 Motherboards 2021/03/18 14:13:46 (permalink)
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EVGA is ALWAYS last to market with new motherboard designs.  If you can't wait, get another brand.  If you want the best warranty support and production design, wait for EVGA.  When I built a quick replacement PC in 2012, I couldn't wait and bought another brand.  Guess which part was the first to fail in that PC?


I believe it. I am upgrading my EVGA X58 build from 2009. Just pre-ordered the i7 11th gen yesterday. Now I just need the EVGA mobo and GPU to match it! lol. I guess I do have the 2070S, so that'll suffice in the meantime. ;) 
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Re: Sneak peak at A New Generation of Excellence, EVGA Z590 Motherboards 2021/03/19 04:12:24 (permalink)
when are these bad boys comming out?
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Re: Sneak peak at A New Generation of Excellence, EVGA Z590 Motherboards 2021/03/19 05:28:48 (permalink)
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when are these bad boys comming out?


June
 


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Re: Sneak peak at A New Generation of Excellence, EVGA Z590 Motherboards 2021/03/19 06:57:39 (permalink)
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when are these bad boys comming out?


I asked Jacob last night on his twitch stream - he said still looking like April release.  When you actually get it will be entirely up to the gods of the queue.

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Re: Sneak peak at A New Generation of Excellence, EVGA Z590 Motherboards 2021/03/19 10:23:54 (permalink)
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when are these bad boys comming out?

I asked Jacob last night on his twitch stream - he said still looking like April release.  When you actually get it will be entirely up to the gods of the queue.

Yet his tweet a few days ago said April/May. This is why I'm wondering if they have been / are having problems with it.
CPU release is 30th March btw.
 
 


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Re: Sneak peak at A New Generation of Excellence, EVGA Z590 Motherboards 2021/03/19 10:29:52 (permalink)
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I believe it. I am upgrading my EVGA X58 build from 2009. Just pre-ordered the i7 11th gen yesterday. Now I just need the EVGA mobo and GPU to match it! lol. I guess I do have the 2070S, so that'll suffice in the meantime. ;) 

I wonder why we can pre-order the i7-11700K on Newegg, but not the i9-11900K..  Also noticed $250 more for the i9, that's pretty heavy when they're both 8-core CPU's.. the i9 basically looks like a binned i7, just slightly better clocks...
 
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Re: Sneak peak at A New Generation of Excellence, EVGA Z590 Motherboards 2021/03/19 10:52:44 (permalink)
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I believe it. I am upgrading my EVGA X58 build from 2009. Just pre-ordered the i7 11th gen yesterday. Now I just need the EVGA mobo and GPU to match it! lol. I guess I do have the 2070S, so that'll suffice in the meantime. ;) 

I wonder why we can pre-order the i7-11700K on Newegg, but not the i9-11900K..  Also noticed $250 more for the i9, that's pretty heavy when they're both 8-core CPU's.. the i9 basically looks like a binned i7, just slightly better clocks...

 
Definitely seems that way. I'm betting that, assuming you can cool it, it is more than slightly better when overclocking and they want you to pay for that.
 
I checked with Best Buy and Amazon and both said they weren't given the option to allow pre-orders from the manufacturer. I have seen people report that Newegg let them pre-order for the first minute or two the page was live, but I didn't see a pre-order button on that SKU.

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Re: Sneak peak at A New Generation of Excellence, EVGA Z590 Motherboards 2021/03/19 14:03:17 (permalink)
Errrrmagerd....Newegg pre-order button just went live, and I put in an order for the 11900k. Now I'm just hoping to not get an email saying "woops, that wasn't supposed to happen, order canceled" lol. Now to wait for an EVGA z590 
 
Edit 20 minutes later: "aaaaand it's gone". The pre-order button is no more. Idk how I got lucky enough to check it at that moment, but I'll take it. Maybe I should buy a lotto ticket as well.
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Re: Sneak peak at A New Generation of Excellence, EVGA Z590 Motherboards 2021/03/19 14:34:18 (permalink)
The 11900K has Thermal Velocity Boost, allowing it to be clocked higher.   I really wanted it but I will be happy enough with the 11700K I was able to actually preorder.  I don't do massive OCs anyway.  

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Re: Sneak peak at A New Generation of Excellence, EVGA Z590 Motherboards 2021/03/19 16:35:52 (permalink)
 
Just showed up again for preorder on Newegg.. got an order in.
 


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Re: Sneak peak at A New Generation of Excellence, EVGA Z590 Motherboards 2021/03/19 16:38:55 (permalink)
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Just showed up again for preorder on Newegg.. got an order in.
 


Dang 60 dollars more than best buy, think I will wait on this lol.
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Re: Sneak peak at A New Generation of Excellence, EVGA Z590 Motherboards 2021/03/21 11:04:58 (permalink)
I got a preorder too but it’s sounding like I should just get a 10900k instead. 

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Re: Sneak peak at A New Generation of Excellence, EVGA Z590 Motherboards 2021/03/22 11:28:04 (permalink)
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when are these bad boys comming out?


June


I really want to go with EVGA but if its really June I'm not sure what I'll do as I wont be able to rma any parts, as everything is already preordered to match the cpu.
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Re: Sneak peak at A New Generation of Excellence, EVGA Z590 Motherboards 2021/03/22 16:22:29 (permalink)
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when are these bad boys comming out?

June

I really want to go with EVGA but if its really June I'm not sure what I'll do as I wont be able to rma any parts, as everything is already preordered to match the cpu.

It's not June (at least I hope not). Latest I've seen from Jacob is April/May per his twitter comment last week.
 


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Re: Sneak peak at A New Generation of Excellence, EVGA Z590 Motherboards 2021/03/23 08:57:03 (permalink)
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when are these bad boys comming out?

June

I really want to go with EVGA but if its really June I'm not sure what I'll do as I wont be able to rma any parts, as everything is already preordered to match the cpu.

It's not June (at least I hope not). Latest I've seen from Jacob is April/May per his last week.
 


Here's hoping for April!
Thanks for the update.
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Re: Sneak peak at A New Generation of Excellence, EVGA Z590 Motherboards 2021/03/24 00:50:24 (permalink)
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But what's wrong the word "bro", Dude? What are you like 60?

Since you asked, it presumes a familiarity that you are not entitled to, for one.  And it flags someone as socially immature when people are considering who's opinion to listen to, or to ignore.  60?  I hope most people are here to talk about EVGA hardware, not each other.
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Re: Sneak peak at A New Generation of Excellence, EVGA Z590 Motherboards 2021/03/24 00:59:08 (permalink)
Anyone seriously thinking about z590 and the core i7-11700k, should watch Steve Burke's (Gamers Nexus) review posted yesterday on youtube.  He dubs it, "Waste of Sand".
 
 
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Re: Sneak peak at A New Generation of Excellence, EVGA Z590 Motherboards 2021/03/24 06:42:48 (permalink)
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Anyone seriously thinking about z590 and the core i7-11700k, should watch Steve Burke's (Gamers Nexus) review posted yesterday on youtube.  He dubs it, "Waste of Sand".

 
I did watch that, and came out of it a little bit frustrated with Steve. He indicates that he forced it to run at 125W TDP with whatever the non-public "official guidance to board partners" is from Intel on the turbo frequency times. It sounds like none of the z590 motherboards are actually going to run that setting by default and even intel did their benchmarking setting the PL1 state at 250W so that the processor runs more freely (and uses more power obviously). While I don't think anyone who's looked at the numbers would confuse the 11-series intel chips as being power efficient or "cool-running" chips, I think it would have been helpful if reviewers like Steve were honest about that and gave both sets of numbers. He seems to be on a tirade against Intel's marketing department (which...I'll grant lol...and Intel is not the only one GN has gone after), but I think it would have been helpful to also give performance numbers the way a lot of people will actually run the thing, which is not even "overclocked" but just allowing the higher power target or running a motherboard with default values. He even says in his video that the higher values are "technically within spec" and then decides to gimp it because of Intel's marketing department. Look at the notes pages for Intel's performance slides. They even indicate PL1=250W setting for all their benchmarks on 11900k and 11700k. If you want to lock it at 125W and see how it does against a 5800x, yeah, I don't think it is going to win that fight. TSMC's 7nm process is clearly more efficient than Intel's 14nm++++++ process (I forgot how many +'s exactly so that's an estimate), but the cores are spread out over more surface area, which means you can actually get more heat out of the chip than you could with a 5800X, which means you can run it at a higher TDP than a 5800X safely and "within spec" so why didn't he do it? (he says why...because Intel's "official guidance" based on marketing wanting to claim this is a 125W CPU...which it isn't).

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Re: Sneak peak at A New Generation of Excellence, EVGA Z590 Motherboards 2021/03/24 13:27:30 (permalink)
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Anyone seriously thinking about z590 and the core i7-11700k, should watch Steve Burke's (Gamers Nexus) review posted yesterday on youtube.  He dubs it, "Waste of Sand".

 
I did watch that, and came out of it a little bit frustrated with Steve. He indicates that he forced it to run at 125W TDP with whatever the non-public "official guidance to board partners" is from Intel on the turbo frequency times. It sounds like none of the z590 motherboards are actually going to run that setting by default and even intel did their benchmarking setting the PL1 state at 250W so that the processor runs more freely (and uses more power obviously). While I don't think anyone who's looked at the numbers would confuse the 11-series intel chips as being power efficient or "cool-running" chips, I think it would have been helpful if reviewers like Steve were honest about that and gave both sets of numbers. He seems to be on a tirade against Intel's marketing department (which...I'll grant lol...and Intel is not the only one GN has gone after), but I think it would have been helpful to also give performance numbers the way a lot of people will actually run the thing, which is not even "overclocked" but just allowing the higher power target or running a motherboard with default values. He even says in his video that the higher values are "technically within spec" and then decides to gimp it because of Intel's marketing department. Look at the notes pages for Intel's performance slides. They even indicate PL1=250W setting for all their benchmarks on 11900k and 11700k. If you want to lock it at 125W and see how it does against a 5800x, yeah, I don't think it is going to win that fight. TSMC's 7nm process is clearly more efficient than Intel's 14nm++++++ process (I forgot how many +'s exactly so that's an estimate), but the cores are spread out over more surface area, which means you can actually get more heat out of the chip than you could with a 5800X, which means you can run it at a higher TDP than a 5800X safely and "within spec" so why didn't he do it? (he says why...because Intel's "official guidance" based on marketing wanting to claim this is a 125W CPU...which it isn't).


He didn't force it, the Asus board followed Intel specs out of the box, so he used that board. He made a follow up video as well for boards that don't follow Intel guidance. His review was good, he always states his methodology well and why he does it this way.
 
 
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Re: Sneak peak at A New Generation of Excellence, EVGA Z590 Motherboards 2021/03/24 14:07:44 (permalink)
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 He didn't force it, the Asus board followed Intel specs out of the box, so he used that board. He made a follow up video as well for boards that don't follow Intel guidance. His review was good, he always states his methodology well and why he does it this way.

 
He made sure it was following "official guidance" not the spec. He even says the other boards are "within spec" (his words). Also, if you look at the new thermal review that you just posted, it confirms exactly what I was saying in all the benchmarks. Steve's opinion is clearly that he'd rather compare them at 125W because he would rather not have a more powerful cooler than is needed there. He shows the Gigabyte board allowing the 11700k to surpass the 5800x in all the benchmarks (no, not by a lot), then says it is pointless and proves nothing because of how much power and heat it draws. Then also shows the temperatures peaking around 62°C on one core (avg ~56°?) during blender with a (very good performing and cheap!) 280mm AIO. I'd like to see a 5800X numbers, but I didn't see those in Steve's review...

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Re: Sneak peak at A New Generation of Excellence, EVGA Z590 Motherboards 2021/03/26 08:39:06 (permalink)
I had some back and forth with GN on twitter about their z590 videos. They make a very interesting point about all the motherboard manufacturers giving different tau and power settings, which lead to different results for everyone when it comes to stock benchmarks. Personally, I only know one situation where someone bought a $350+ CPU and didn't turn on MCE, PBO, or whatever flavor of "yes, please maximize performance, BIOS" setting is available at a minimum. Most people I talk to about this sort of thing also attempted some sort of overclock unless they had an AMD CPU, which usually don't OC as well anyway (their automatic OC is as good as manual in most cases). GN's opinion is that the 5800X is a terrible CPU, so the 11700k running about even with it (albeit at a higher power draw) makes it also a terrible CPU. Looking at the market today, I see a few games fully utilizing up to 8 cores, but not much after that. Also, streaming, and some other tasks (f@h for example) would love more threads, so I might want something bigger than a 6 core. Sure, a 5900x or 5950 would be a great CPU, but at their cost and limited availability, it only seems normal to take a look at 5800x and 11700k or 11900k. I don't personally care about the added power draw, and their benchmark shows the 11700k (even with unlocked tau) hitting lower temps than most 5800X reviews I've seen.
 
So basically...while looking at their actual results (the data itself) and ignoring their opinion on those results (because I disagree when they say the 5800X is pointless and terrible), I'm still very excited about the potential of the 11900k. Even the 11700k looks like it might have potential to OC very well (silicon lottery depending of course) and be a great gaming CPU. Being that I've always had great luck overclocking EVGA boards, I'm not concerned at all here. I just thought I'd offer my 2 cents. I think this is still very relevant to this thread because I'm curious to see what EVGA does with their default BIOS settings as well as to learn how well they OC. All conjecture at this point, but if EVGA wants to go ahead and reveal some more information, pricing, and a "notify" button any time now, I'll be thrilled to see it  

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Re: Sneak peak at A New Generation of Excellence, EVGA Z590 Motherboards 2021/03/26 09:03:26 (permalink)
Cpu shipped and now I'm really qqing for my MB.
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Re: Sneak peak at A New Generation of Excellence, EVGA Z590 Motherboards 2021/03/26 09:32:24 (permalink)
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Cpu shipped and now I'm really qqing for my MB.


? i9-11900k release date not until 30th March  ..oh, or do you mean the i7-11700K?
 


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Re: Sneak peak at A New Generation of Excellence, EVGA Z590 Motherboards 2021/03/26 10:17:59 (permalink)
I wanna get a 11th gen cpu but what if 12th gen cpu's release later this year   Maybe just upgrade now and then 

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Re: Sneak peak at A New Generation of Excellence, EVGA Z590 Motherboards 2021/03/26 11:14:46 (permalink)
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I wanna get a 11th gen cpu but what if 12th gen cpu's release later this year   Maybe just upgrade now and then 



I have had the same thought. I don't upgrade very often, GPU about every 2 years, CPU about 3-6 depending on %improvement of new gens. I do think 12th gen will be an improvement on 11th as 11th isn't a huge improvement on 10th from the benchmarks and leaks so far. It will most certainly consume less power at equivalent clocks/tasks. My concerns are about going with first gen DDR5: will there be widely available kits with good speed/latency at anywhere near reasonable prices? Also, with all the delays lately and silicon shortages everywhere, I'm not entirely convinced Alder-lake won't be late (or be very similar to AMD's 5000 series launch where there just were none for months). I don't want to wait for that as it would be more likely that I get parts in early 2022, when we're "almost to the next gen" again. I currently know my CPU is my bottleneck and going to hamper things with games that come out this year that I want to play. For that reason, I want my upgrades done in the next couple months. I can absolutely see people with 8700k+ not wanting to jump on this gen. I am super excited to see how competitive AMD and Intel finally are in this space though. It has great potential to lead to big improvements over the next 3-5 years. Alder Lake (12th gen) Intel still has 8 big cores only, so I'm not thinking of that as the next big jump forward. I think it'll have some cool features and be an improvement (especially for TDP), but as for gaming performance I think it is too hard to say right now. Personally, I think Meteor Lake is going to be that "oh wow" next gen, but that's not until at least 2023. I'm getting 11th gen, then whatever that is more than likely...unless AMD just continues to do huge gen-over-gen improvements and someone can convince me to buy a non EVGA board...or EVGA starts making those lol. Anyway, this post is long enough lol (sry).

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Re: Sneak peak at A New Generation of Excellence, EVGA Z590 Motherboards 2021/03/27 10:22:57 (permalink)
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Cpu shipped and now I'm really qqing for my MB.


? i9-11900k release date not until 30th March  ..oh, or do you mean the i7-11700K?
 


11700k
Was supposed to be 1 day shipping but tracking says its going to get here on the 31st.  Even though the store has issues a tracking number and shows its already shipped.  So well see when it gets here.
Still makes me want the EVGA MB more though.  
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Re: Sneak peak at A New Generation of Excellence, EVGA Z590 Motherboards 2021/03/27 10:28:51 (permalink)
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I wanna get a 11th gen cpu but what if 12th gen cpu's release later this year   Maybe just upgrade now and then 



I have had the same thought. I don't upgrade very often, GPU about every 2 years, CPU about 3-6 depending on %improvement of new gens. I do think 12th gen will be an improvement on 11th as 11th isn't a huge improvement on 10th from the benchmarks and leaks so far. It will most certainly consume less power at equivalent clocks/tasks. My concerns are about going with first gen DDR5: will there be widely available kits with good speed/latency at anywhere near reasonable prices? Also, with all the delays lately and silicon shortages everywhere, I'm not entirely convinced Alder-lake won't be late (or be very similar to AMD's 5000 series launch where there just were none for months). I don't want to wait for that as it would be more likely that I get parts in early 2022, when we're "almost to the next gen" again. I currently know my CPU is my bottleneck and going to hamper things with games that come out this year that I want to play. For that reason, I want my upgrades done in the next couple months. I can absolutely see people with 8700k+ not wanting to jump on this gen. I am super excited to see how competitive AMD and Intel finally are in this space though. It has great potential to lead to big improvements over the next 3-5 years. Alder Lake (12th gen) Intel still has 8 big cores only, so I'm not thinking of that as the next big jump forward. I think it'll have some cool features and be an improvement (especially for TDP), but as for gaming performance I think it is too hard to say right now. Personally, I think Meteor Lake is going to be that "oh wow" next gen, but that's not until at least 2023. I'm getting 11th gen, then whatever that is more than likely...unless AMD just continues to do huge gen-over-gen improvements and someone can convince me to buy a non EVGA board...or EVGA starts making those lol. Anyway, this post is long enough lol (sry).


 I totally agree.  I almost waited for the gen 12 too, but figured with all the delays and garbage going on right now it probably wont be around for at least 2022. And I'm still running 4790k and my system keeps messing up as the chipset on the MB is dying. 
 
Likewise I would have gone AMD if EVGA actually made boards for them.  But they don't so I wont. (Too much of an EVGA fanboy here)
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Re: Sneak peak at A New Generation of Excellence, EVGA Z590 Motherboards 2021/03/29 20:15:05 (permalink)
 
The i9-11900k officially launches tomorrow, it will be interesting to see some of the performance reviews.
 
If you're moving to Z590, question now is whether to go for the ASUS ROG Maximus XIII Hero or something like that which is already available, or wait maybe up to 2 more months for EVGA's offering. Tough decision.
 


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Re: Sneak peak at A New Generation of Excellence, EVGA Z590 Motherboards 2021/03/30 00:26:53 (permalink)
Well... For me the usb 3 2x2 was the actual benefit over the x570 platform. But seeing the high power consumption of Intel I will probably just go with a 5800x and get 3 real pcie 4 m.2's it's 50 bucks under list price right now. Sad, I really would have liked to get an evga board
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Re: Sneak peak at A New Generation of Excellence, EVGA Z590 Motherboards 2021/03/30 06:12:29 (permalink)
Gen 12 isn't likely to be a leap forward for gaming as much as will be for other applications.  It's also going to require DDR4 memory which is awesome but going to be EXTREMELY expensive.  

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