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2018/01/27 05:13:44 (permalink)
I'm curious what people are averaging? Mine seems to run very warm, and I've submitted an RMA request, but before I go through packing up my brand new laptop and being without it for a couple weeks, I want to make sure I'm not overreacting.
 
At bone stock on a fresh install of windows, sitting on a cooling pad, my CPU is hitting 90C in Guild Wars 2 running around Divinity's Reach. GPU is generally 80-90 which doesn't bother me as much, but still pretty warm. If I undervolt -100 and cap the boost clock to 3.4ghz, I believe it averages closer to 85C in game.
 
No cooling pad or undervolt, but "Normal" setting in Precision X Mobile and I'd be hitting the 100C thermal throttle.
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    Re: SC17 1070 G-Sync Temperature 2018/01/27 06:03:38 (permalink)
    I don't have the 1070 model to compare, but that seems hot to me, after all they do market the laptop as overclockable.  The 1080 model has a redesigned heatsink so it has better cooling....either way, 100C on Normal preset is unacceptable.

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    Re: SC17 1070 G-Sync Temperature 2018/01/27 06:36:25 (permalink)
    Hey I too get high temps 85C - 93C and also have to clock my cpu at 3.4ghz while playing modern games like Assassins Creed Origins and Watch Dogs 2 to keep it from hitting high 90C. I have the same SC17 model as you, do you mind posting updates from your RMA process so I can see if its worth for me to go the same route as you.
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    Re: SC17 1070 G-Sync Temperature 2018/01/27 06:59:05 (permalink)
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    Hey I too get high temps 85C - 93C and also have to clock my cpu at 3.4ghz while playing modern games like Assassins Creed Origins and Watch Dogs 2 to keep it from hitting high 90C. I have the same SC17 model as you, do you mind posting updates from your RMA process so I can see if its worth for me to go the same route as you.
    Thanks

    No problem at all. I'm waiting for a shipping label and I'll try to keep a timeline and after it's returned, some temps for comparison. As said above, it is marketed as an overclockable laptop, so 90C or higher at stock in something like Guild Wars 2 isn't acceptable. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't crazy - I'm so used to 40C under load, with a liquid cooled desktop 😂
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    Re: SC17 1070 G-Sync Temperature 2018/01/27 08:09:39 (permalink)
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    Hey I too get high temps 85C - 93C and also have to clock my cpu at 3.4ghz while playing modern games like Assassins Creed Origins and Watch Dogs 2 to keep it from hitting high 90C. I have the same SC17 model as you, do you mind posting updates from your RMA process so I can see if its worth for me to go the same route as you.
    Thanks

    No problem at all. I'm waiting for a shipping label and I'll try to keep a timeline and after it's returned, some temps for comparison. As said above, it is marketed as an overclockable laptop, so 90C or higher at stock in something like Guild Wars 2 isn't acceptable. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't crazy - I'm so used to 40C under load, with a liquid cooled desktop 😂

    Appreciate it, yeah I get what you mean I cant even have it at 3.6ghz without it getting way too hot and its marketed as ovrcloackable but the temps dont allow it.
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    Re: SC17 1070 G-Sync Temperature 2018/01/29 20:25:41 (permalink)
    I do play at normal 2,7gh -125 v  gpu normal or lower clock,,,4k gaming is hard to swallowon 1070 so better play at 1080 
    my temsp never go beyong 72 on both ,maybe cos I play at 2.7 or normal setting 3,4
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    Re: SC17 1070 G-Sync Temperature 2018/01/29 23:48:33 (permalink)
    Hmm as obvious as it seems, I hadn't considered lowering to 1080p to see if it affects my temps. I would expect it to lower GPU but possibly increase CPU temps. Will test. I'm mostly interested in 4k for multitasking and videos anyways, so that would be a totally acceptable tradeoff if it keeps the temps in check. Are some/all of the heatpipes shared between CPU and GPU? That could be another issue. Hotter gpu at 4k, me and hotter CPU because of the shared dissipation? Thanks for the replies all!
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    Re: SC17 1070 G-Sync Temperature 2018/02/14 23:29:19 (permalink)
    I'm having the same issue. GPU temps are fine, generally under 80c, but CPU temps are almost always 95c-100c. The only thing I can really do is underclock and undervolt the CPU.. Terrible design. The palm rest is uncomfortably hot and above the keyboard you can't touch for more than a half second before burning yourself. I'm not overclocked, just playing AC Origins @ 4k ultra. 
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    Re: SC17 1070 G-Sync Temperature 2018/02/15 07:08:53 (permalink)
    for me my CPU is undervolted by -90mv with 3.5 Ghz and the GPU is stock while gaming my CPU is around 75 while the GPU is always around 80-83

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    Re: SC17 1070 G-Sync Temperature 2018/02/15 07:10:05 (permalink)
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    I'm having the same issue. GPU temps are fine, generally under 80c, but CPU temps are almost always 95c-100c. The only thing I can really do is underclock and undervolt the CPU.. Terrible design. The palm rest is uncomfortably hot and above the keyboard you can't touch for more than a half second before burning yourself. I'm not overclocked, just playing AC Origins @ 4k ultra. 


    You might not like it but for me I actually love the idea of using the whole laptop as a heatsink ! :D 

    Though of course I do understand what you mean :)

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    Re: SC17 1070 G-Sync Temperature 2018/02/15 07:58:56 (permalink)
    I can't even keep the CPU under 95c when running underclocked to (27,27,27,27) and undervolted -90mv. I downgraded from BIOS 1.04 to 1.03 (since they pulled 1.04). Now, every other time I boot it, the OS loads, but the display driver craps out so I get a black screen, requiring a hard power cycle and finger crossing that it doesn't repeat in a cycle. Temps are unaffected. I'd re-paste the CPU, but that's not likely the problem. Either the heatpipe is faulty or this is really how this thing is designed. Ugh. 
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    Re: SC17 1070 G-Sync Temperature 2018/02/15 08:14:36 (permalink)
    For what it is worth, EVGA's representative said that you should not downgrade the BIOS unless you are seeing an obvious BIOS related issue. I guess that maybe you thought that your observed temperatures were BIOS related? Anyway, BIOS v 1.04 is an improvement over v 1.03, for most people, and I wouldn't recommend that anyone else downgrade, since it will probably not be worth it and only adds more chance of accidentally bricking your laptop if the flash goes badly.

    BIOS version 1.05 should be here soon... hopefully. It appears that it is going through the approval process at the moment.
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    Re: SC17 1070 G-Sync Temperature 2018/02/15 14:09:28 (permalink)
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    I can't even keep the CPU under 95c when running underclocked to (27,27,27,27) and undervolted -90mv. I downgraded from BIOS 1.04 to 1.03 (since they pulled 1.04). Now, every other time I boot it, the OS loads, but the display driver craps out so I get a black screen, requiring a hard power cycle and finger crossing that it doesn't repeat in a cycle. Temps are unaffected. I'd re-paste the CPU, but that's not likely the problem. Either the heatpipe is faulty or this is really how this thing is designed. Ugh. 


    do you have 1080 or 1070 because cooling is different.
    I do have the 1070 and my temp are never hit above 85 it will hit 90 when overclocked to 4.1 Ghz with 100mv overvolt 

    May I ask did you notice any improvement in CPU or GPU temps after repaste ? 

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    Re: SC17 1070 G-Sync Temperature 2018/02/15 14:44:47 (permalink)
    I have the 1070 G-Sync version. I haven't done the repaste yet as I don't believe it will really help. It does a very good job of transferring heat to the chassis, so if it were a thermal conduction issue only between the heatpipe and the CPU spreader, I'd expect throttling long before the chassis reached "cook an egg with ease" levels. The heat is getting out of the CPU pretty well as it is, I just have a hard time believing that this laptop was reviewed well by *anyone* if this is normal behavior for it, and from what I can tell, it is consistent for AC Origins. Fan boost on and the chassis still on freaking fire, plus I have to use an external keyboard because it's untouchable.
     
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    Re: SC17 1070 G-Sync Temperature 2018/02/16 06:22:35 (permalink)
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    I have the 1070 G-Sync version. I haven't done the repaste yet as I don't believe it will really help. It does a very good job of transferring heat to the chassis, so if it were a thermal conduction issue only between the heatpipe and the CPU spreader, I'd expect throttling long before the chassis reached "cook an egg with ease" levels. The heat is getting out of the CPU pretty well as it is, I just have a hard time believing that this laptop was reviewed well by *anyone* if this is normal behavior for it, and from what I can tell, it is consistent for AC Origins. Fan boost on and the chassis still on freaking fire, plus I have to use an external keyboard because it's untouchable.
     


    For cooling its not really good compared to others https://www.notebookcheck...k-Review.184533.0.html

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    Re: SC17 1070 G-Sync Temperature 2018/02/16 09:42:25 (permalink)
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    For cooling its not really good compared to others https://www.notebookcheck...k-Review.184533.0.html



    The Precision Mobile overclocking utility as shown in our Stress Test section provides no manual fan speed settings.

    Umm, ok? They must be confused.

    Also, some of the temperatures they reported appear to be incorrect.

    CPU Clock (GHz) GPU Clock (MHz) Average CPU Temperature (°C) Average GPU Temperature (°C)
    Prime95 Stress 3.2 -- 60 43
    FurMark Stress -- 1316 71 66
    Prime95 + FurMark Stress 3.2 1291 84 73
    Unigine Valley Stress 3.2+ 1658 64 70

    CPU temp in Prime95 was only 60c. But CPU temp in Furmark test jumped up to 71c? Furmark uses GPU, not CPU. Sure, I understand some heat is transferred between the two heatsinks, but then why didn't the GPU increase in temp during the Prime95 test? And then in the Unigine test, the GPU is hotter than in the Furmark tesk? And CPU is cooler? What?! All the sudden heat stops transferring some times?
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    Re: SC17 1070 G-Sync Temperature 2018/02/16 14:08:06 (permalink)
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    Umm, ok? They must be confused.

    Also, some of the temperatures they reported appear to be incorrect.

    CPU Clock (GHz) GPU Clock (MHz) Average CPU Temperature (°C) Average GPU Temperature (°C)
    Prime95 Stress 3.2 -- 60 43
    FurMark Stress -- 1316 71 66
    Prime95 + FurMark Stress 3.2 1291 84 73
    Unigine Valley Stress 3.2+ 1658 64 70

    CPU temp in Prime95 was only 60c. But CPU temp in Furmark test jumped up to 71c? Furmark uses GPU, not CPU. Sure, I understand some heat is transferred between the two heatsinks, but then why didn't the GPU increase in temp during the Prime95 test? And then in the Unigine test, the GPU is hotter than in the Furmark tesk? And CPU is cooler? What?! All the sudden heat stops transferring some times?



    On the furmark test, we can see that only core 0 is at 72C, while the other cores are in the high 50s.  We can see that core 0 is at 100% load, not sure if furmark does this because I never use it.  Now a days, NVidia drivers automatically throttle the card when it detects furmark, and we can see the gpu clocks are only at 1316MHz.  
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    Re: SC17 1070 G-Sync Temperature 2018/02/17 09:49:34 (permalink)
    I flashed to BIOS 1.06 and did a fresh reinstall of Windows 10, then set a custom clock set like this:
    CPU: 36,34,33,32, -100mv offset adaptive
    GPU: +38, +507 mem
     
    So basically identical to the normal clocks for CPU (with a -100mv undervolt) and SuperClock for GPU. In this config, there is no throttling for me in AC Origins @ 4k. CPU temps average 89c with a max of 97c (so far), while GPU is pretty much solid at 82-84c. This is with fan boost off.
     
    I think the CPU fan curve could be ramped up sooner, but I think I'm barely okay with these numbers. The -100mv undervolt seems to be the difference between throttling or not. 
     
    All this talk of drastically lower temperatures during furmark+prime95 runs, well, I simply don't believe it. For me, just prime95 blend test almost immediately (within 2-3 seconds) pushes the CPU package up 20c, more or less expected behavior I assume. I started a Prime95 run when the CPU was at 54c. With fan boost on, seemed to stay steady around 77c, fan boost off it slowly made its way up to 91c. I assume the numbers people quote are with fan boost on. 
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    Re: SC17 1070 G-Sync Temperature 2018/02/17 10:27:17 (permalink)
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    Umm, ok? They must be confused.

    Also, some of the temperatures they reported appear to be incorrect.

    CPU Clock (GHz) GPU Clock (MHz) Average CPU Temperature (°C) Average GPU Temperature (°C)
    Prime95 Stress 3.2 -- 60 43
    FurMark Stress -- 1316 71 66
    Prime95 + FurMark Stress 3.2 1291 84 73
    Unigine Valley Stress 3.2+ 1658 64 70

    CPU temp in Prime95 was only 60c. But CPU temp in Furmark test jumped up to 71c? Furmark uses GPU, not CPU. Sure, I understand some heat is transferred between the two heatsinks, but then why didn't the GPU increase in temp during the Prime95 test? And then in the Unigine test, the GPU is hotter than in the Furmark tesk? And CPU is cooler? What?! All the sudden heat stops transferring some times?



    On the furmark test, we can see that only core 0 is at 72C, while the cores are in the high 50s.  We can see that core 0 is at 100% load, not sure if furmark does this because I never use it.  Now a days, NVidia drivers automatically throttle the card when it detects furmark, and we can see the gpu clocks are only at 1316MHz.  


    I didnt know that thanks ! 

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    Re: SC17 1070 G-Sync Temperature 2018/02/17 11:22:57 (permalink)
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    I didnt know that thanks ! 

    Yeah, too many fried their cards running furmark for hours, so now when detected it throttles. 

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    Re: SC17 1070 G-Sync Temperature 2018/02/25 13:28:42 (permalink)
    I still get thermal throttling within minutes of starting AC Origins when running stock speeds 36/34/33/32 and -100mv undervolt.. 
     
    GPU is fine, it's the CPU that can't even begin to stay inside thermal bounds. This is with fan boost off. Repasting has done nothing. "Overclockable" - lol. It can stave off thermal throttling just barely if fan boost is on and the undervolt is applied. 
     

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    Re: SC17 1070 G-Sync Temperature 2018/02/25 13:44:34 (permalink)
    Superclocked, Fan boost on. AC Origins @ 4k ultra, ~5 minute run. Almost immediate throttling. I reset the averages toward the end to see what it was doing after it warmed up. 
     

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    Re: SC17 1070 G-Sync Temperature 2018/02/25 13:58:44 (permalink)
    "This is the world's first TRUE overclocking laptop."  Laughable marketing.

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    Re: SC17 1070 G-Sync Temperature 2018/02/25 14:20:36 (permalink)
    Normal, Fan boost off. 4 minute AC origins run. You can probably detect exactly when I started the game - It jumps 20c in one second. I scaled the Y axis to give more detail for each core's temps
     

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    Re: SC17 1070 G-Sync Temperature 2018/02/25 15:40:09 (permalink)
    With all cores to 3.5 playing Kingdom come on 2k resolution, give me 85 degrees but no throttling. I'm sure there is something wrong with mine, but I'm relieved I'm not the only one😂. I already did a repaste, so or I'll play the last card buying a cooling pad ( the chassis is extremely hot), or I will submit and Rma too.
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    Re: SC17 1070 G-Sync Temperature 2018/02/25 16:58:43 (permalink)
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    With all cores to 3.5 playing Kingdom come on 2k resolution, give me 85 degrees but no throttling. I'm sure there is something wrong with mine, but I'm relieved I'm not the only one😂. I already did a repaste, so or I'll play the last card buying a cooling pad ( the chassis is extremely hot), or I will submit and Rma too.

    my CPU ONLY throttles when overclocked to 4.2Ghz and full load at the GPU at the same time but never when undervolted like you -100mv

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    Re: SC17 1070 G-Sync Temperature 2018/02/25 17:12:46 (permalink)
    Can someone post their hwinfo logs from AC Origins or other similar demanding game that can stress all 4 cores? I'm almost certain that my results are typical for this laptop - they are at least similar between my laptop and a friend's. Unless the heatpipe itself is defective in both his and mine, there just isn't anything else that could differentiate my experience from most. I'm baffled by people saying they can keep the CPU under 80c during game play. All the games I try (Fallout 4, AC Origins, Witcher 3, etc) push the CPU well above that. 
     
    I don't want to RMA mine, ship stuff around and wait a month or more, just to find the refurbished replacement behave exactly the same. I would just sell it on ebay and move on with life, but if the new user actually tries to use the thing and discovers the terrible thermals, then it becomes my problem again.
     
    I wonder if SgtGemini gave up or is stuck in the long purgatory of RMA.
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    Re: SC17 1070 G-Sync Temperature 2018/02/26 23:48:59 (permalink)
    I just received my RMA back. It was a bit of a headache getting it picked up by UPS but I won't go into that. They received it on the 16th and I received it back the 26th. Unfortunately, it's still too warm at stock clocks. I updated the BIOS to 1.06, waited for updates to settle and booted up Guild Wars 2. It hit 92C after about 5 minutes at 4k and max settings. I'm underclocked to 3.2 on all cores, -100mv adaptive and I can generally keep it around 85 with spikes to 90. I would say no improvement, in summary.
     
    I called tech support immediately and their solution is to have it picked up and sent off again. I'm debating whether to go through with it...seeing as how it didn't fix anything the first go, and I'll be without my laptop for another week and a half. This, a brand new laptop. By the way, if people were wondering, they sent back the same laptop (I double checked the serial #) not a different refurb unit or something. Tech support seemed surprised I was still having the same problem. I asked if they have a testing process or if they just repaste and send it back - he didn't really answer. I can't believe they wouldn't verify temperatures are more stable before shipping it back, though? But here we are.
     
    The best workaround I've found, and one I shouldn't have to take, is to downclock/downvolt and running games at 1080p. I probably average 80C on the CPU with this, and 80-85C on GPU. Too high to be comfortable with the longevity of a laptop at this price range, but better than throttling for now...
     
    Anyone else have better luck with the RMA process?
    Sorry for the late update.
     
    voodoodrul
    Can someone post their hwinfo logs from AC Origins or other similar demanding game that can stress all 4 cores? I'm almost certain that my results are typical for this laptop - they are at least similar between my laptop and a friend's. Unless the heatpipe itself is defective in both his and mine, there just isn't anything else that could differentiate my experience from most. I'm baffled by people saying they can keep the CPU under 80c during game play. All the games I try (Fallout 4, AC Origins, Witcher 3, etc) push the CPU well above that. 
     
    I don't want to RMA mine, ship stuff around and wait a month or more, just to find the refurbished replacement behave exactly the same. I would just sell it on ebay and move on with life, but if the new user actually tries to use the thing and discovers the terrible thermals, then it becomes my problem again.
     
    I wonder if  gave up or is stuck in the long purgatory of RMA.




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    Re: SC17 1070 G-Sync Temperature 2018/02/27 03:41:03 (permalink)
    I never had success with RMA for temperature problems (haven't used EVGA RMA yet though).  The best option is to repaste yourself once you feel comfortable with it.  I don't recommend arctic MX-4 for laptops since it works best with high pressure heatsinks like on desktops.  On low pressure heatsinks like on laptops, I would go for phobya nanogrease extreme because of the high viscosity, if not easily available then Kryonaut or Gelid GC-Extreme.
    post edited by vistarshook - 2018/02/27 03:56:21

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    Re: SC17 1070 G-Sync Temperature 2018/02/27 06:25:32 (permalink)
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    I just received my RMA back. It was a bit of a headache getting it picked up by UPS but I won't go into that. They received it on the 16th and I received it back the 26th. Unfortunately, it's still too warm at stock clocks. I updated the BIOS to 1.06, waited for updates to settle and booted up Guild Wars 2. It hit 92C after about 5 minutes at 4k and max settings. I'm underclocked to 3.2 on all cores, -100mv adaptive and I can generally keep it around 85 with spikes to 90. I would say no improvement, in summary.
     
    I called tech support immediately and their solution is to have it picked up and sent off again. I'm debating whether to go through with it...seeing as how it didn't fix anything the first go, and I'll be without my laptop for another week and a half. This, a brand new laptop. By the way, if people were wondering, they sent back the same laptop (I double checked the serial #) not a different refurb unit or something. Tech support seemed surprised I was still having the same problem. I asked if they have a testing process or if they just repaste and send it back - he didn't really answer. I can't believe they wouldn't verify temperatures are more stable before shipping it back, though? But here we are.
     
    The best workaround I've found, and one I shouldn't have to take, is to downclock/downvolt and running games at 1080p. I probably average 80C on the CPU with this, and 80-85C on GPU. Too high to be comfortable with the longevity of a laptop at this price range, but better than throttling for now...
     
    Anyone else have better luck with the RMA process?
    Sorry for the late update.
     


    SOrry to hear that just FYI cpu will always higher than expected even in low CPU usage games since the CPU & GPU share a heatpipe so they temp go up and low togther though I have to say your temps still high and as @vistarshook said you should just repsate yourself its easy took me less than 30 min on the 1070 version 

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