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There was a review on Techpowerup that showed Zen3 getting pounced on for gaming by Comet Lake, then a week or two later they re-released an updated review saying they got alot of flack from readers and updated the review and it showed Zen3 now pouncing on Comet Lake. Which is real? All reviews from reputable websites show Zen3 having better benchmarks for everything else, but gaming at 2k & 4k should be negligble, right? In this review below, it shows all available Zen3 CPUs having near equal & higher fps at 2k with a RTX 3090 than Comet Lake. Anyone know how this is possible? Is this just margin of error? How is Intel Beating AMD Zen 3 Ryzen in Gaming? | TechPowerUp AMD Ryzen 9 5950X Review | TechPowerUp
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Re: Reviews For Zen 3: Which to Believe?
2020/12/04 10:48:23
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Re: Reviews For Zen 3: Which to Believe?
2020/12/04 11:22:40
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Like Steve says believe in AMD Ryzen.😼
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Re: Reviews For Zen 3: Which to Believe?
2020/12/04 21:24:49
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There was a review on Techpowerup that showed Zen3 getting pounced on for gaming by Comet Lake, then a week or two later they re-released an updated review saying they got alot of flack from readers and updated the review and it showed Zen3 now pouncing on Comet Lake. Which is real?
All reviews from reputable websites show Zen3 having better benchmarks for everything else, but gaming at 2k & 4k should be negligble, right?
In this review below, it shows all available Zen3 CPUs having near equal & higher fps at 2k with a RTX 3090 than Comet Lake.
Anyone know how this is possible?
Is this just margin of error?
No, any site with a margin of error that large nobody should be reading, at all.  The problem is because of single-rank vs dual-rank memory.... also 2-module vs 4-module configs. I recommend you watch GamersNexus because Steve discussed this a few times during his review. The memory topology configuration can add 10% to AMD's numbers, and some sites used the best memory topology when benchmarking. Others like techpowerup didn't do so. Actually, Steve made a second video discussing it explicitly here:
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Re: Reviews For Zen 3: Which to Believe?
2020/12/05 01:43:27
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In pure gaming, there is not a huge difference in my opinion but AMD beats Intel hard in multithread / more professional usage.
In the other hand thanks to very slow Intel development during the last few years they created a very mature and stable platform what sadly we cannot say about AMD.
It's a very difficult time to choose new platform because on one side you have unmature but technology-wise much newer product (AMD) or a bit outdated but very stable (Intel).
Me personally I think will just wait for Intel respond but it might take some time - they need to come back like with C2D in the past!
It's hard to get new GPU's anyway but no rush, in the end, it's just PC.
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Re: Reviews For Zen 3: Which to Believe?
2020/12/05 02:54:51
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I always trust multiple reviewers that are well known sites. If the review needs an update and they can't explain what the problem was with the original tests I just disregard it and move on.
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Re: Reviews For Zen 3: Which to Believe?
2020/12/05 03:40:34
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Well I now have a 5950X and performance is just outstanding. Using the CPU-Z Benchmark the single thread score defeats the Intel Core i9-10900K. Intel knows they're in trouble but the problem with Intel is that they're still stuck at 14nm for desktop CPUs. They have improved their cores for the next gen CPU releases but AMD is also prepping for their next CPU gen release with DDR5 support.
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Re: Reviews For Zen 3: Which to Believe?
2020/12/06 09:37:09
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Well I now have a 5950X and performance is just outstanding. Using the CPU-Z Benchmark the single thread score defeats the Intel Core i9-10900K. Intel knows they're in trouble but the problem with Intel is that they're still stuck at 14nm for desktop CPUs. They have improved their cores for the next gen CPU releases but AMD is also prepping for their next CPU gen release with DDR5 support.
While I'm currently rooting for AMD, it should be noted that Intel has been able to outperform AMD on IPC at 14nm until now, and AMD has been using TSMCs 7nm process for two generations. A common misconception seems to be that transistor size is directly related to performance, and the reality is that it's much more complicated than that. Smaller transistors generally mean less space and lower power consumption (and therefore, less heat output), and it is the latter that is Intel's real problem here, which is why they have started working with partners to build sub-ambient coolers for the non-enthusiast market.bThat being said, I do agree that intel seems to be in big trouble if AMD gets DDR5 support before they do, especially since RAM speed makes such a big difference for Zen CPUs.
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Re: Reviews For Zen 3: Which to Believe?
2020/12/06 21:09:26
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I’m trying to decide if I should sell my Threadripper 3070x for a 3950x and it’s single thread improvements. I may have over built by going for Threadripper. However the 3950x is on a dead socket and Zen 3 Threadrippers will come and that TRX40 socket is brand new. As it has tons off PCIE lanes to spare for lots of M.2 SSDs. And the Zenith II Extreme Alpha is one heck of a mobo vs ANY of the Crosshair VIII boards.
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Re: Reviews For Zen 3: Which to Believe?
2020/12/07 09:13:02
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You guys think Zen3's launch is equivalent to Intel's launch of Sandybridge?
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Re: Reviews For Zen 3: Which to Believe?
2020/12/07 10:06:05
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Steve, you are remind me on Mad Onion/Futuremark forum member named Chaotic Beauty - Kaotika , who was the king of the AMD fanboys for 15 years.  To the OP. It is hard to find objective reviewer so take any information with a bit of salt. Personally I like to see a forum members benchmarks and numbers on their rigs. My trust go there.
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Re: Reviews For Zen 3: Which to Believe?
2020/12/07 18:09:06
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You guys think Zen3's launch is equivalent to Intel's launch of Sandybridge?
Not really? I don't see the parallels. AMD is also not sitting still on Zen, as Zen 4 is supposed to be another minor core rework + IO overhaul of the design. Meanwhile today's Intel's CPUs are still direct descendants of the Sandy Bridge design, just with way way higher clockspeeds. Even Sandy Bridge had AVX back in its day.
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