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Re: Reason why i won't go with EVGA 2020/09/30 10:14:32 (permalink)
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This thread reads like a bait troll using what he knows will trigger people, to get information to prove whether or not what he actually thinks about EVGA is right or wrong.




So far i have been told to cya, no one cares, go away but i assume if i mention that u gonna say im playing the victim right?
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Re: Reason why i won't go with EVGA 2020/09/30 10:19:27 (permalink)
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People of the world have lost there frickn minds!
 
wizzyy??
 
C'mon -> EVGA has done a fantastic job of being proactive and transparent about everything.  
PS:  If you haven't noticed, we are still in the middle of a pandemic!  Hats off to EVGA!




After they were called to the mat... they fixed it lmao. Look, I don't necessarily agree with this guy. However, there's something to be said for the downfall of EVGA. They used to provide lifetime warranties for all of their products, their customer service used to just issue new cards/boards as soon as there was a problem that was heard of by any consumer. The overall climate of the entire company has changed in the wrong direction. The above warranty, quality of service, is what made EVGA a player way back when they first started. That culture has been lost, and along with it expect a loss of loyalty and consumers willing to "buy-in".
 
I'll restate what I said in one of my previous posts... I've had EVGA graphics cards since their inception as a company, and never had a problem. However, I've had two (2) motherboards (X58/49 I believe) go tits up, and two mice take a dive in the first round. Their 1600 watt power supply has done splendid over the last year or so, but that product review is still out for debate.
 
My point is, EVGA is a "good" company, they're just not the "GREAT" company and giant in the industry that they used to be, and could have been. Their executive team squandered that opportunity with golden parachutes, and making some piss-poor decisions like the release of this card. Isn't the adage "GO BIG OR GO HOME" still functioning in society... well EVGA, time to GO BIG, impress me with a lifetime warranty again, and some amazing customer service.
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Re: Reason why i won't go with EVGA 2020/09/30 10:24:07 (permalink)
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This thread reads like a bait troll using what he knows will trigger people, to get information to prove whether or not what he actually thinks about EVGA is right or wrong.




100% agree. Wish that 3080 had come to me instead
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Re: Reason why i won't go with EVGA 2020/09/30 10:26:04 (permalink)
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This thread reads like a bait troll using what he knows will trigger people, to get information to prove whether or not what he actually thinks about EVGA is right or wrong.




100% agree. Wish that 3080 had come to me instead




Naw but it does attract a lot of low borns like yourself with "hot takes".

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Re: Reason why i won't go with EVGA 2020/09/30 11:04:05 (permalink)
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People of the world have lost there frickn minds!
 
wizzyy??
 
C'mon -> EVGA has done a fantastic job of being proactive and transparent about everything.  
PS:  If you haven't noticed, we are still in the middle of a pandemic!  Hats off to EVGA!




After they were called to the mat... they fixed it lmao. Look, I don't necessarily agree with this guy. However, there's something to be said for the downfall of EVGA. They used to provide lifetime warranties for all of their products, their customer service used to just issue new cards/boards as soon as there was a problem that was heard of by any consumer. The overall climate of the entire company has changed in the wrong direction. The above warranty, quality of service, is what made EVGA a player way back when they first started. That culture has been lost, and along with it expect a loss of loyalty and consumers willing to "buy-in".
 
I'll restate what I said in one of my previous posts... I've had EVGA graphics cards since their inception as a company, and never had a problem. However, I've had two (2) motherboards (X58/49 I believe) go tits up, and two mice take a dive in the first round. Their 1600 watt power supply has done splendid over the last year or so, but that product review is still out for debate.
 
My point is, EVGA is a "good" company, they're just not the "GREAT" company and giant in the industry that they used to be, and could have been. Their executive team squandered that opportunity with golden parachutes, and making some piss-poor decisions like the release of this card. Isn't the adage "GO BIG OR GO HOME" still functioning in society... well EVGA, time to GO BIG, impress me with a lifetime warranty again, and some amazing customer service.


Just curious, who's the alternative?  Who offers what EVGA Currently does or maybe better?  I honestly haven't seen anyone compete with EVGA in terms of Customer service, warranties, and direct relations to the public (thanks to Jacob).  

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Re: Reason why i won't go with EVGA 2020/09/30 11:08:47 (permalink)
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After they were called to the mat... they fixed it lmao. Look, I don't necessarily agree with this guy. However, there's something to be said for the downfall of EVGA. They used to provide lifetime warranties for all of their products, their customer service used to just issue new cards/boards as soon as there was a problem that was heard of by any consumer. The overall climate of the entire company has changed in the wrong direction. The above warranty, quality of service, is what made EVGA a player way back when they first started. That culture has been lost, and along with it expect a loss of loyalty and consumers willing to "buy-in".

 
Think every GPU company that offered "lifetime" warranties went bankrupt (can't think of any others besides BFG that ever did though).  EVGA stands out by (as far as I'm aware) being the only ones that offer cross-ship RMA's for GPUs (Corsair I think offers for PSUs also).
 
For motherboards, I don't use EVGA anymore after problems with my X99 micro2 that never were resolved..."Auto" for any setting should never block POST and require hours of process-of-elimination finding what did it.  Don't think EVGA has the resources to support the BIOS like Asus/Gigabyte does.
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Re: Reason why i won't go with EVGA 2020/09/30 11:43:56 (permalink)
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People of the world have lost there frickn minds!
 
wizzyy??
 
C'mon -> EVGA has done a fantastic job of being proactive and transparent about everything.  
PS:  If you haven't noticed, we are still in the middle of a pandemic!  Hats off to EVGA!




After they were called to the mat... they fixed it lmao. Look, I don't necessarily agree with this guy. However, there's something to be said for the downfall of EVGA. They used to provide lifetime warranties for all of their products, their customer service used to just issue new cards/boards as soon as there was a problem that was heard of by any consumer. The overall climate of the entire company has changed in the wrong direction. The above warranty, quality of service, is what made EVGA a player way back when they first started. That culture has been lost, and along with it expect a loss of loyalty and consumers willing to "buy-in".
 
I'll restate what I said in one of my previous posts... I've had EVGA graphics cards since their inception as a company, and never had a problem. However, I've had two (2) motherboards (X58/49 I believe) go tits up, and two mice take a dive in the first round. Their 1600 watt power supply has done splendid over the last year or so, but that product review is still out for debate.
 
My point is, EVGA is a "good" company, they're just not the "GREAT" company and giant in the industry that they used to be, and could have been. Their executive team squandered that opportunity with golden parachutes, and making some piss-poor decisions like the release of this card. Isn't the adage "GO BIG OR GO HOME" still functioning in society... well EVGA, time to GO BIG, impress me with a lifetime warranty again, and some amazing customer service.


Just curious, who's the alternative?  Who offers what EVGA Currently does or maybe better?  I honestly haven't seen anyone compete with EVGA in terms of Customer service, warranties, and direct relations to the public (thanks to Jacob).  




So... your logic, is that because no one else is currently doing it, it cannot be done, even though it's been done in the past? Please advise...
 
Furthermore, to the gentleman who stated that BFG went out of business because of lifetime warranties is conjecture at best; their business model was horrible, so do more research before throwing out false narratives like that.
 
It was done previously in a market far more competitive than it is now, and EVGA has a bigger name now; this is my point, they're living on name alone now... pride comes before the fall. Just as a funny anecdote, I was preaching the fall of Blizzard 20yrs ago after their arrogance and predisposition towards alienating their consumers happened. EVGA has fallen as well, at least in my eyes, no where near the extremes of the Activision Puppet that Blizz is... but they're certainly trying hard.
 
Trust me, I understand your fan-boy perspective, I'm just more tempted to be a discerning consumer than place my loyalties in a corporate structure that has scaled back customer service rather than expanding upon it.
 
(FYI... my opinions are NOT indicative of Jacob, he's been around from the early days of EVGA, and has been an incredible asset to the company; he probably doesn't remember me but I had some very cool conversations with him back in the day... so stop trying to demonize my perspective with more conjecture that I'm attacking Jacob **it's classless and tactless, so try again**)
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Re: Reason why i won't go with EVGA 2020/09/30 11:51:22 (permalink)
I agree with OP tbh. I am personally going for 3090 FTW3 regardless but I am seeing a severe lack of content regarding the XC3 models and EVGA in general.

I would love see a video by Gamer Nexus like the one he did today morning for Gigabyte.

I love EVGA and have been using them since I moved back to PC gaming in 2014. I trust them but I also like to see what I am getting into first.
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Re: Reason why i won't go with EVGA 2020/09/30 13:02:04 (permalink)
You are so right,you should buy from another AIB partner    
 
 
 
.....so the rest of us can get one from EVGA.

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Re: Reason why i won't go with EVGA 2020/09/30 13:30:07 (permalink)
evga usually has cool designs and coolers; but this gen they are kind of odd looking; and the red clown face plastic is a no-go.  
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Re: Reason why i won't go with EVGA 2020/09/30 14:22:11 (permalink)
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So... your logic, is that because no one else is currently doing it, it cannot be done, even though it's been done in the past? Please advise...
 
Furthermore, to the gentleman who stated that BFG went out of business because of lifetime warranties is conjecture at best; their business model was horrible, so do more research before throwing out false narratives like that.
 
It was done previously in a market far more competitive than it is now, and EVGA has a bigger name now; this is my point, they're living on name alone now... pride comes before the fall. Just as a funny anecdote, I was preaching the fall of Blizzard 20yrs ago after their arrogance and predisposition towards alienating their consumers happened. EVGA has fallen as well, at least in my eyes, no where near the extremes of the Activision Puppet that Blizz is... but they're certainly trying hard.
 
Trust me, I understand your fan-boy perspective, I'm just more tempted to be a discerning consumer than place my loyalties in a corporate structure that has scaled back customer service rather than expanding upon it.
 
(FYI... my opinions are NOT indicative of Jacob, he's been around from the early days of EVGA, and has been an incredible asset to the company; he probably doesn't remember me but I had some very cool conversations with him back in the day... so stop trying to demonize my perspective with more conjecture that I'm attacking Jacob **it's classless and tactless, so try again**)


It looks like you're responding to multiple people here, so I don't know if you're referencing my comment aside from the first line.  I just asked you for the alternative.  I honestly haven't kept up in recent years of who has what.  It looks like you're looking at EVGA from the glory days of massive competition.  I don't think any company in their right mind will offer Lifetime Warranties anymore.  10 years is plenty for me (PSU-wise).  I see some of the GPUs are 3; fair enough because people like to overclock and that wears the cards down.  Jacob is a godsend among keeping the public up to date.  Customer Service seems to be top-notch for those who actually contacts them (not just using the forum).  I just don't see what more you want a company to do that's already at a high standard.  
As for the release for the 3080's, you need to take that up with Nvidia unless you're expecting EVGA to not launch anything at all while they just further test cards and miss out on the launch rush sales altogether.  No shareholder in a company would allow that by any stretch.  AIB's were asking Steven (Gamer Nexus) for the drivers because Nvidia hadn't sent it to them yet.  AIB's only had 1, maybe 2 months to go full steam with the cards.  Everyone was rushing and Nvidia was going to launch whether AIB's were ready or not.  AIB's basically had their hands tied.  Still, with all that said, EVGA's XC3 doesn't exhibit any problems out of the box.  Once you overclocked, all cards had problems (some more than others) until the recent drivers from Nvidia, which seems to have fixed it.  Regardless, you're taking out your anger at a company that's doing more than any other I'm familiar with.  If you know an alternative, I'm all ears. 
 

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Re: Reason why i won't go with EVGA 2020/09/30 14:26:52 (permalink)
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No reviews on 3080 or reviews on hold.
No PCB pictures.
3080 xc3 ULTRA has the same or worse performance as FE, since there is no proper review yet can't say for sure but assume with lower noise level and better performance.
EU evga doesn't exists, when it did it was charging you double VAT. 
 
Rushed release and i rather not beta test EVGA which seems to have many problems.
I will try to get an FE and worst case a card with actual reviews. 
 
p.s.:
When u withholding or not sending out review copies of your product u know something is wrong and its a big red flag for me.
I'm sure EVGA gonna fix all the issue and optimize its boards in later revisions but all the red flags adds up for me and tells me to avoid EVGA since they lost this rushed release. 
 
EDIT1: Talking about the XC series. 


 
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Re: Reason why i won't go with EVGA 2020/09/30 14:42:29 (permalink)
If anyone else is not buying EVGA, please let me know immediately. This is important information.
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Re: Reason why i won't go with EVGA 2020/09/30 15:48:51 (permalink)
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Wizzy everyone gets to make a choice of which brand they want to support.  But when you title a port with 'Reason why i won't go with EVGA', it is actually not that great.  Like everyone else, I wanted to get my hands on a 3080 or 3090 FE just cause they look sleek.  Seeing as every single card online disappeared and is not available and there are reviews from different people stating one brand is better then another for what ever reason.
 
So just to continue your discussion, I was looking at ASUS prior to EVGA, and then I saw something about the Step-Up program they have, that in itself is unique.  Also the base warranty on EVGA is just 3 years like other brands, but there is one difference, I get to extend the warranty on the card, which is really awesome, other brands don't do that.  Once I saw the Step-Up program, I figured it is good to go with EVGA, I can order a cheaper 2070S and get in line for a 3080, and use the 2070S instead of a 1070 for now.  It is a win-win situation, plus an extended warranty to boot.  From what I have seen from EVGA, their customer service is better then most brands and has a good warranty as well.
 
If you are only worried about ~10% performance, it is still better then any 2080ti...




I like to make educated decisions/guess when it comes to buying something.
If i'm buying a XC3 Black for 815euro + shipping (~$1000, yes that's the price in europe directly from EVGA) then i like to make sure i'm getting my money worth.
I see a lot of red flag with XC3("buget" line) so i will take my money elsewhere and get the most out of it.


For you though it's the exact opposite, seems like it's a win-win situation.

Little correction regarding warranties. 
Zotac, gigabyte, evga is correct, not sure about the rest.

 
p.s.: Few years ago bought an 1600 T2 but didn't notice it was an UK version and we have a different power cable in EU. Since it wasn't your usual power cable and i couldn't be bothered to research the cable type, i wrote a ticket asking EVGA if i could get an EU power cable for my 500euro+ PSU. This will be our second or third anniversary and still didn't get a cable from them even though they left a "note" in their RMA center. 
Not blaming them, it has nothing to do with warranty just mentioning it for the lulz. 
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Re: Reason why i won't go with EVGA 2020/09/30 16:45:46 (permalink)
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You're free to think what you want, Wizzyy. My opinion is that EVGA is the only brand (with Asus potentially) that won the rushed release of RTX 3000 Series, because they took time for their higher tier card, are able to fix whatever issue would still persist, are able to answer to their customer fast (Thanks Jacob !).
 
Some other brands might have sold more. But they now face issues where they might need to provide support / potential RMA's in huge quantities because of wanting to sell more at first batch, despite issues not being fixed or even not being known (you might say NVIDIA's fault and I would agree partially on that, still brands weren't obliged to rush, they chose to). Doesn't really matter who's fault is it, people are going to be salty about a 700$ card. 

No product is perfect. But EVGA showed that :
- They cared enough to delay their higher tier card that weren't ready, in order for them to be ready without issues
- They heard the customers that said the red accent was bad, and found / are findind solutions to replace it. And every EVGA customer will be eligible to get a replacement color / shroud (depending on the solution they choose) free of charge.
- They care enough to maintain a very responsive and day to day customer experience with Jacob sometimes still answering people at almost midnight.
- They provided a hotfix that you mentioned for the fans in a day, which is fast. 
- They still were able to deliver cards, even pre-production ones, to reviewers, and that some in fact got huge overclocks at some point, telling that they are good cards. The fact they needed drivers what Nvidia's fault, not their own.
 
For these reasons, they showed me they were / are all-in for the "fastest"* and best experience I can get with an RTX 3000 Series.
*I don't ask for more, except just being able to buy my card now. 
 
Edit : Btw, pre-order or ordering day one is being a beta tester. That's true for cars, for games, for computer stuff, etc. That's the nature of the world now. You don't want that, then don't buy the first batch, wait for revisions and products to be fixed. Or don't, and accept the consequences of the impatience to wait.



Oh right the capacitor issue which was a little bit far fetched.
Jacob said that the FTW line had problems so they had to delay it and rework it(took them 1week R&D) because it didn't match with the spec sheet.
Quoute from Igor who started all this: NVIDIA, by the way, cannot be blamed directly, because the fact that MLCCs work better than POSCAPs is something that any board designer who hasn’t taken the wrong profession knows. 


I'm not trying to offend you here but i don't think you understand the difference between making changes for the customer or making changes to avoid false advertisement and bad press for selling OC cards which doesn't reach the advertised clock speed. 
I agree with you on Jacob, he is doing an awesome job and even over working himself but at the same time EU gets ignored all together.
He answeres EU related question sometimes but the evga EU shop sells nothing. https://eu.evga.com/
 
EVGA is not your friend, EVGA_JacobF looks like a cool guy but he represents the company and he can't say things what regular Jacob would. 
EVGA just like any other company is here to make money and not to be your friend. 

Regarding the design choice, u can always change that by doing temporary mods. 
 
Pre-order, beta testing, ... is part of the game.
Not having reviews on a card which had no problem or had to be delayed still looks suspicious to me and i rather look for a card which was reviewed and it doesn't look like they trying to hide something.

p.s.: Small amount of card got shipped yet they had fan issues. Fan issue is something u notice during quality check yet it was still shipped.
We gonna see how badly cards affected once production picks up and more people will have these cards.
I'm also curious what was the fix for XC3 cards which had these problems.
Not letting the fan spin at max speed and effective nerfing it and decreasing its cooling capacity?
 
 
 
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Re: Reason why i won't go with EVGA 2020/09/30 17:03:19 (permalink)
Why I will go with EVGA: because I’ve been patient and they have always delivered what I expected. Of the numerous cards I’ve purchased over the years I’ve had one dud. Which they replaced immediately.

So in the age of social media, self appointed ‘experts’, and all the silly hoopla around what amounts to not much really, I will stick with EVGA just because I’ve had no issues in the past.

About as valid of an opinion as the rest I suppose. Other folks mileage may vary.

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Re: Reason why i won't go with EVGA 2020/09/30 17:09:25 (permalink)
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1) Yes, there is and was reviews of EVGA 3080. Jayztwocents made one. There's also various videos where, for example, GamersNexus got a World Record Overclock with a FTW3. And he made another one with the 3090 FTW3 too. They aren't reviews but if having an EVGA FTW3 card being world record isn't enough evidence that the card is good enough, I don't know what to say to you except than wait for reviews.



The guy who did the test even said himself the only reason he picked that card was that all he had to choose from at the time was that and a FE card...   Honestly that team with liquid nitrogen guy would have likly set the record with any brands top end card.   Yes FTW is great I have owned 4 evga nvidia cards.   But to claim that was all card and not the team is funny.

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Re: Reason why i won't go with EVGA 2020/09/30 17:40:28 (permalink)
Wizzyy why so mad? 

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Re: Reason why i won't go with EVGA 2020/10/01 02:18:55 (permalink)
Vaya con dios


 
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Re: Reason why i won't go with EVGA 2020/10/01 03:43:42 (permalink)
EVGA has proven to me I can count on them. Igor's words are not God-Like. Every card goes through " NVIDIA Black Box testing " which even partners experts have no idea what exactly these tests do, only NVIDIA does. NVIDIA also needs to approve every design the manufacturer makes, that means they validated the 6 SP-Caps with 0 MLCC designs of some partners and said it was good enough to pass. They also gave almost no informations to these partners, to the extend most of them if not all discovered the price of the card at the same time we did, September 1rst. Drivers were sent to the press before them, and they didn't gave enough time to partners to stress-test the cards in more conditions, because the drivers they sent were only working with furmark / power virus and didn't stress test the cards the same way games do, so they needed to rely on Nvidia Black Box testing to trust the card was good enough. And some partners did that indeed. Others went above that and delayed their own release to be sure. Tested and retested, changed and finally were able to release their products.
 
Now if after that it's still not even partly NVIDIA's fault for you, then fine, I won't argue anymore since you can't aknowledge the facts.

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The guy who did the test even said himself the only reason he picked that card was that all he had to choose from at the time was that and a FE card...   Honestly that team with liquid nitrogen guy would have likly set the record with any brands top end card.   Yes FTW is great I have owned 4 evga nvidia cards.   But to claim that was all card and not the team is funny.

I never claimed all the merit was to attribute to the card / none to the team. Only that the card is good enough, meaning reliable enough to have given that score. That score doesn't reflect real world experience (gaming or rendering) and doesn't say it's the best card in the world nor that you should buy based on that particular event, but it does show what it can sustain and how far it can be pushed and that it's not just a piece of crap good to throw away like some seems to think. That was the only thing I meant by that. 
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