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2010/07/29 14:21:48 (permalink)
Hello, this is my first time post here.  I just recently purchased the GTX460 1024MB Superclocked EE card from newegg.  I've been having major problems with this card.  I have gotten rid of all of my old video drivers prior to installing this card.  When I installed this card and install the latest nvidia driver 258.96, I would always get a crash after I log on, and just freezes and hangs there at the Windows Welcome screen and will not go into my desktop. 

I have gone back into Windows safe mode and deleted the drivers and everything would be fine when I restart windows again with its generic drivers.  It is until I reinstall the drivers back again, that once it needs to restart the computer for the drivers to take into effect, it would just crash on the Welcome screen again.  I have done this countless times, I have even gone to make sure that all my drivers are deleted with a clean sweeper utility. 

The strange thing is when I have even gone as far as doing a fresh install of Windows, it would work fine the first day with the drivers and I would play SC2 or BFBC2 and it would work great.  I did however notice, that when windows did some updating to windows that this problem occurred again after reboot.  I have tried to uninstall all the updates that it did, but still get the same crashing.  I've been trying to debug this, it would occasionally throw me BSOD codes like Bccode 124 and 116.  Sometimes I get the occassional "Hyper Transport Sync Flood Error" during post.  I've gone and looked up what all these errors mean, but don't really understand them.  

I just switched back to my old 8800GTS, and this problem doesn't even happen with nvidia driver 258.96.  My case is very well ventilated, good airflow so no overheating has ever occurred.  Do I have a faulty card?  

Here are my specs:
AMD Phenom x4 955 BE
MSI 970FX-GD70 (Bios Rev 1.D)
G.Skill 2x2GB 1600Mhz Ram
Corsair 750HX PSU
Windows 7 Professoinal 64-bit
Antec 900 Case

post edited by kilatofu - 2010/07/29 14:23:54
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    Re:Problems with GTX 460 2010/07/29 14:31:31 (permalink)
    Well from what I've gathered,..the Hyper Transport Sync Flood Error is from AMD chips / boards that need a BIOS update to run the newer video cards....

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    Re:Problems with GTX 460 2010/07/29 14:40:55 (permalink)
    I've updated my MOBO's Bios to the latest revision...still same problems...
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    Re:Problems with GTX 460 2010/07/29 14:51:52 (permalink)
    from other forums, I can only tell you to contact the board manufacturer with the error and ask for an updated Bios....

     i have read where people have rma'd their video card, their motherboard..etc..etc. .. and still were getting the error.?  from my limited research, it sounded like a Bios was the only thing that fixed it.

    Maybe someone else on here can better figure this out ..????


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    Re:Problems with GTX 460 2010/07/31 18:59:06 (permalink)
    It sounds like you're having the exact same problem I'm having.  My EVGA GTX 460 locks up at the Welcome screen.  I'm exhausted from trying to figure out the problem.  I'm on an AMD setup as well.
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    Re:Problems with GTX 460 2010/08/01 02:47:24 (permalink)
    I have the same problem and I don't think it is Motherboard BIOS related.

    I have 2 different windows 7 installs on my computer.  1 to mess around with, overclock, etc, the other is on my SSD RAID array.  So anyways, I locked up in SLI on one of my win 7 installs.  So I thought, ok maybe something with SLI is making it hang (by the way it was working fine until I went to bed and woke up this morning. 

    So then I booted up to my SSD Windows 7 install which had an older nvidia driver on it that was for my EVGA GTX 260. Keep in mind I am booted up with just one GTX 460 as I took the other one out.  No problems but I needed to update to the newest driver 258.96.  So I did that, rebooted the computer, no hang at the welcome screen, all is good.

    I then went on the internet and googled this problem with GTX 460 SLI welcome screen hangs.  A window pops up asking me to update to adobe flash 10, which I have done on many other computers.  So I update Flash, reboot the computer and NOW it hangs at the welcome screen!!!

    So something is either wrong with the Nvidia driver, or Flash.  I have to go to work now, so I will have to mess with this more later on today.

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    Gigabyte UD3-X58A Bios F6i
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    Windows 7 Professional 64bit

    Thanks,
    Ed


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    Re:Problems with GTX 460 2010/08/01 03:50:01 (permalink)
    if you are running 64 bits W7 make sure you are running the 10.1 flash 64. go to flash support and uninstall the flash player with their tool that is provided, then install the correct flashplayer for the Os. the one on the main page is the 32bit version and will cause problems  even bsod..

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    Re:Problems with GTX 460 2010/08/01 08:53:27 (permalink)
    I will try that, thanks. 
    But this was an automatic update that just popped up on the screen so I wasn't given a choice of 32 or 64bit, it just said install flash player so I assumed it knew my operating system especially since I installed the 64bit nvidia drivers.

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    Re:Problems with GTX 460 2010/08/01 12:46:30 (permalink)
    I don't think Adobe even released a 64-bit Flash Player...
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    Re:Problems with GTX 460 2010/08/02 03:29:19 (permalink)
    kilatofu

    I don't think Adobe even released a 64-bit Flash Player...

     
    Not sure if they did or not, I can only tell you that I am running win 7 64bit on my laptop with a mobile 8600gt, same nvidia drivers
    and remember getting the same flash popup and I am having no problems with it.
     
     

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    Re:Problems with GTX 460 2010/08/02 03:53:53 (permalink)
    the 10.1 is the 64 bit version but to install flashplayer you have to install it in the 32bit version of your browser.. after you can switch back to 64 bits.. 10.1 was a beta for about 4 months to get it to work in W7 64 bits.. but it is still 32bits in the final release we are using now but 64bits capable, just install it in 32bit browser mode..and youll be fine..

    http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/837/cpsid_83715.html
    post edited by rankin - 2010/08/02 03:58:41

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    Re:Problems with GTX 460 2010/08/02 23:40:19 (permalink)
    Ok now I am really getting mad and am about to pull these cards and return them and go back to my 260GTX.

    I was working on this stupid thing for 5 hours, reimaged my hard drive, everything you could think of, except I didn't try one card instead of 2.  And AS SOON as I install the nvidia drivers, or the ones that came on the EVGA disk the computer locks up.  99% of the time its at the welcome screen, sometimes I get to the desktop but it locks up right away.  And when I say locks up, I mean totally freezes where I have to do a hard reset.

    So this doesn't look like an adobe flash problem as I originally thought.

    Anyone have any other suggestions?  I appreciate the ones so far!

    Thanks,
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    Re:Problems with GTX 460 2010/08/02 23:47:13 (permalink)
    Odd, this is exactly what started happening to me tonight. In my case, I can get into safe mode perfectly fine and do whatever I want to the drivers from there. That working for you still?

    On the rare chance that I do get to the desktop, I'm finding it seems to work fine until 3D performance is required. General OS work (backups, installations, etc.) does just fine. Got it to crash instantly upon moving to the NVCPL tab with the 3D logo. Previous crashes were on Heaven and BC2 (but only once a 3D level started).

    Looks to me like it's all in the drivers. Like with you, dropping my old 8800 in makes the system act like normal. The 460 runs fine without drivers as well (albeit at 800x600). The instant either Windows installs drivers or I manually add them, bam, problem's back. 'tis the strangest thing...

    (and based on nvidias forums, some 480s and 465s are doing the same thing - install the driver and the system stops working)
    post edited by BallistaMan - 2010/08/03 00:03:21



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    Re:Problems with GTX 460 2010/08/03 15:52:30 (permalink)
    Specs: Intel i7-930 @ 4.0GHZ Gigabyte UD3-X58A Bios F6i Corsair 2x3GB 8-8-8-24 1600Mhz 2 x EVGA GTX 460 768MB EE's Superclocked BFG EX-1200 PSU Coolermaster HAF case Windows 7 Professional 64bit
    BallistaMan

    Odd, this is exactly what started happening to me tonight. In my case, I can get into safe mode perfectly fine and do whatever I want to the drivers from there. That working for you still?

    On the rare chance that I do get to the desktop, I'm finding it seems to work fine until 3D performance is required. General OS work (backups, installations, etc.) does just fine. Got it to crash instantly upon moving to the NVCPL tab with the 3D logo. Previous crashes were on Heaven and BC2 (but only once a 3D level started).

    Looks to me like it's all in the drivers. Like with you, dropping my old 8800 in makes the system act like normal. The 460 runs fine without drivers as well (albeit at 800x600). The instant either Windows installs drivers or I manually add them, bam, problem's back. 'tis the strangest thing...

    (and based on nvidias forums, some 480s and 465s are doing the same thing - install the driver and the system stops working)

    Yep, I can get into safe mode and do whatever I need to do, like you said at 800x600, but as soon as I try to boot up into windows normally it locks up.
     
    This is really irritating, and I can't believe we are the only few this is happening too.  I wonder what is common in our systems since you said that some 465's and 480's are doing it too.
     
    I was running a GTS 250 on one computer and a GTX 260 on another PERFECTLY fine on the latest nvidia drivers.  But I returned the GTS 250 to Micro Center and bought the GTX 460's to try out SLI.
     

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    Re:Problems with GTX 460 2010/08/03 16:54:36 (permalink)
    Based on our three system (yours, mine and the OP's), I see only see one similarity - Windows 7 Pro 64, and that seems an odd thing to be causing the issue. We're not the only ones (seeing it on other forums), but it's seemingly rarer than the microstutter issue. I'm hoping the new drivers bound to come out and fix the microstutter fix this too. :/



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    Re:Problems with GTX 460 2010/08/03 18:46:29 (permalink)
    Hey, trying popping your 460 down to a secondary PCIe slot. Working fine there for me so far. Based on what I'm reading, it could be happy there for anywhere between a week and a month, and then it'll start crashing again (which is when you just switch slots again).

    Weird and only a bandaid, but everything is working fine now...

    Edit: Er, scratch that. Worked nicely for a little while, then on a reboot (figured I'd play with fire to make certain it was really working) I got some visual corruption on the desktop and a crash. Second try lost the DVI signal upon hitting the desktop. I'm gonna RMA this one methinks... :(
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    Re:Problems with GTX 460 2010/08/03 20:00:04 (permalink)
    I RMA'd mine to see if the new card fixes the problem...let us know when you guy's get your new cards if it solved the issue...
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    Re:Problems with GTX 460 2010/08/04 00:16:06 (permalink)
     
    Faught with this thing again tonight for way too long.  I cannot move my cards to the other PCIe slots because my PSU is in the way.  I would have to do some rearranging.
     
    I took off the SLI bridge and got the computer to boot up, finally.  However, I clicked on a movie to watch and as soon as it started to play the system froze.  I also installed EVGA Precision 1.95 and EVGA OC Scanner only to lock the computer up when I open either of these programs.
     
    So I am at a crossroad here.  I am not going to sit around and wait for a fix.  I have to decide if I want to press on with these 460's, go back to my gtx260, or go with a different card.
     
    Next I am trying one card at a time, but I already see some lag and stuttering with the mouse using only one card.
     
    If I find out anything else, I will let you know.
     
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    Re:Problems with GTX 460 2010/08/04 18:20:59 (permalink)
    Hey guys,

    This is the exact problems I was facing for the past 3 days.

    The only similiar thing we have goin is indeed the Win7 64bit O/S.

    I would 90% freeze/hang on the logon screen, but when sometimes I've gone to the desktop and whenever I started using apps that require graphics acceleration, I would hang.

    :(
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    Re:Problems with GTX 460 2010/08/04 23:40:13 (permalink)
    kmtan, which version of Win7 are you using in particular? So far I've only heard of it on Ultimate/Pro (mostly Pro), but I'm curious if home premium is getting out it (can you tell I'm grasping at straws? :P).

    Sent in a service email yesterday, hopefully I can RMA this 460 and solve the problem. For now I'm bopping along contently on my old 8800s. Didn't change the drivers or anything, just plugged them in SLI and the system runs perfectly, meh. I do miss how cool the temps were on that 460 though...



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    Re:Problems with GTX 460 2010/08/05 02:55:40 (permalink)
    Win 7 Ultimate

    .. and also I'm not using Evga, I happen to bump into this thread on the similiar issues u guys are facing. I'm using Galaxy GTX460 1GB.
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    Re:Problems with GTX 460 2010/08/05 14:47:38 (permalink)
    Well, I finally came to the conclusion that one of my cards must be bad.  I installed one of the cards into multiple slots, no problems what so ever.  I even have it overclocked 825/1650/2025 and folding right now (with the F@H display program going).   

    Plugged the second card in with SLI ribbon cable, locked up.  Took the SLI ribbon cable off, locked up still.  So then I took out the card that I knew was good and installed the suspect card.  First try, lock up, second try in a different pci-e slot, locked up again.  Could not get this card to boot at all.

    So I am going to go to MicroCenter and exchange it for another.
    I will keep you guys posted.

    I came across this too, might want to follow the steps here.  http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=169555&st=0

    If any of you are members of www.xtremesystems.org , there is a member there that modded a 259.12 Quadro bios to work on the Geforce series cards.  Picture Quatily seems outstanding.  Do a search and shoot him a PM to get the driver.

    Good luck guys.
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    Re:Problems with GTX 460 2010/08/05 19:45:36 (permalink)
    Hi guys, I just got this problem today, tried everything, and then figured it was the videocard, googled the problem and realized I wasn't the only one with the problem.  I called to get an RMA. Hopefully it will work.  I also have windows 7 pro 64bit
    post edited by chhem316 - 2010/08/05 19:53:01

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    Re:Problems with GTX 460 2010/08/05 20:11:12 (permalink)
    One more thing some of you can try. If you have a second, older card, toss it in for PhysX. I did that with an old 9600GSO I had around for a folding rig and just successfully booted and played Crysis for an hour (on the 460 of course, the 9600 is just there to keep it happy :P).



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    Re:Problems with GTX 460 2010/08/05 21:22:31 (permalink)
    Got no extra card to try it now sadly :(

    This isn't happening just on EVGA brand only, it's all other brands as well with GTX460/480 processor on Win7 64bit.
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    Re:Problems with GTX 460 2010/08/06 03:55:20 (permalink)
    Got my good card up to 875core, 1750shader, and 2150mem clocks so far

    No voltage adjustments!!

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    Re:Problems with GTX 460 2010/08/06 19:14:47 (permalink)
    Hi Ed, how is your card now? Mine is still having freezes after updating my latest MBios.
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    Re:Problems with GTX 460 2010/08/06 20:08:54 (permalink)
    Hello there,
    I was having this problem too, however for me it worked fine until windows installed 258.96. After this I got crashes on welcome screen too. I tried installing different drivers from safe mode but the problem kept up.
    What has worked for me so far was to reinstall my previous card and drivers then remove the old card, put 460 back in case and while in windows (not safe mode) while using standard windows vga drivers I install the drivers from the disk that came with the card.  So far this has worked for several boots this evening. 
    I know I probably should have wiped drivers but I havn't had much time since getting it working to do it right.

    Hope this helps 
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    Re:Problems with GTX 460 2010/08/07 23:06:24 (permalink)
    Hi, I'm having serious problems with this card as well. But it's part of a new build so I don't know if another part is malfunctioning. It hangs 80% of the time at the Welcome screen with the blue ring. If it gets to the desktop then it freezes at random. I've been having a lot of problems with the motherboard as well.
     
    At one point, the system BSOD with the stated cause 'MEMORY_MANAGEMENT'. I ran memtest86+ and the RAM passed. I set the timings manually in BIOS and it seemed to work at first. But then the hanging returned.
     
    I plan to try the suggestions posted in this thread, including installing Win 7 32-bit.
     
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    post edited by bluegenes - 2010/08/07 23:09:50
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    ed.howell
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    Re:Problems with GTX 460 2010/08/09 02:38:03 (permalink)
    kmtan181

    Hi Ed, how is your card now? Mine is still having freezes after updating my latest MBios.

     
    The one card is still working great, no problems at all folding 24/7 for the past week.  I ran OC Scanner a bunch of times at the overclocked settings and no artifacts.  Watched a few blu ray scenes, no artifacts.   I don't game so I cannot give any feedback on that.
     
    I am going to exchange the other 460 this week and will keep you guys updated.   Hope you get it working!!!
     

     

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