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2018/05/15 13:55:37 (permalink)
Back in 2010, last time I was folding, I did 45 WUs for 45416 points.  This time around I have done 7 WUs and have been awarded 87425 points.  What has changed in the last 8 years to up the points so much?  I saw mention of bonus points somewhere.  Is it related to how fast you complete a WU?
 
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Re: Point differences now and then 2018/05/15 14:11:58 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby HaywireHaywood 2018/05/15 14:13:09
exactly
 
Faster = more points
 
my score
total points 3,951,738,968 with 55,735 WU completed since 08/15/16
 
 
 additionally GPUs/ drivers have gotten so powerful (faster) and the 10 series sips power compared to older series cards

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Re: Point differences now and then 2018/05/15 14:14:07 (permalink)
Much thanks...

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Re: Point differences now and then 2018/05/15 14:17:30 (permalink)
happy to help

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Re: Point differences now and then 2018/05/15 16:04:16 (permalink)
Cool GTX
exactly
 Faster = more points
 my score
total points 3,951,738,968 with 55,735 WU completed since 08/15/16
 additionally GPUs/ drivers have gotten so powerful (faster) and the 10 series sips power compared to older series cards



^^ I dream to be able to fold like this guy!!!  I started folding 2011, when the 980x was "good for points". Then it was the AMD or INTEL 4 CPU boards. Now it's GPU power. Running Linux will net more points also. 
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Re: Point differences now and then 2018/05/15 16:14:41 (permalink)
All it takes is money.  Easy peasy.  Build three or four of those crazy mining rigs with six 1080Ti cards all in a nice row whirring away.  :D

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Re: Point differences now and then 2018/05/15 23:40:28 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby HaywireHaywood 2018/05/16 14:08:32
Since it has been so long and things have changed. You have to have a passkey to get the bonus points.
Get the passkey here  http://fah-web.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/getpasskey.py
 
You put the passkey in the folding client when you set it up with your name and team number.
It takes 10 work units to "prime the key" in order to get the bonus points.
Make sure you copy that passkey to a couple different places to keep it safe.
I have it on a few computers, and on a couple USB drives with other important files, like the installer for folding and BOINC, drivers, ect...
You can copy and paste the passkey to the setup so you make no mistake writing it. It is a very long number, easy to mess up.
 

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Re: Point differences now and then 2018/05/16 02:23:43 (permalink)
Well that changes things, I wasn't getting bonus points (fixed that).  I guess my question remains.  Why was a WU only worth about a thousand points eight years ago but 15K points today? 
 
Crikey!  Just checked my points after putting in the passcode.  My ppd went from 45k to 204K.

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Re: Point differences now and then 2018/05/16 03:41:36 (permalink)
They base the points on work done. The newer units are larger and more complex. This means we get more points. That why CPU folding is broken now, the GPUs have advanced much more.

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Re: Point differences now and then 2018/05/16 11:18:49 (permalink)
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Well that changes things, I wasn't getting bonus points (fixed that).  I guess my question remains.  Why was a WU only worth about a thousand points eight years ago but 15K points today? 
 
Crikey!  Just checked my points after putting in the passcode.  My ppd went from 45k to 204K.


Same reason a glass of beer used to cost 25 cents and now is 2 bucks, inflation!!!!
 
 
PS: Thanks for the BR.
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Re: Point differences now and then 2018/05/16 11:34:05 (permalink)
@bill 1024 
 
Post can earn a BR if they are deemed helpful to the issue at hand or the community at large
 
(so when people see BR worthy posts they can/ should nominate them - make a ticket - or you have to wait till a Mod stumbles across it)
 
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Re: Point differences now and then 2018/05/16 14:14:33 (permalink)
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They base the points on work done. The newer units are larger and more complex. This means we get more points. That why CPU folding is broken now, the GPUs have advanced much more.

 
Makes sense.   How long are the 1080Ti's taking to get through a WU generally?  I assume that it varies according the project.  I also wonder how long they would have taken to blast through the WU's back in 2010.
 
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Re: Point differences now and then 2018/05/16 14:55:27 (permalink)
Oddly enough my first name is Ian.
Many I've seen are about 2 hours to complete. Others have more stats. My 1080Tis get a little less than 2 million a day. That's 2 1080Tis with hybrid kits running during non gaming time.

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Re: Point differences now and then 2018/05/16 15:13:13 (permalink)
   Yup, my mom is a first generation implant from Britain, hence the Scottish name. Growing up in the deep south, I despised it as nobody could pronounce it.  I've been called Ewan, Ivan, Evan, once even Jan.  Swore I was going to change it to John once I came of age.  Never did. I guess at 50, it's probably too late now.  LOL
     Ever since I joined up here, I've thought this forum was odd.  I only had one page of posts to look through.  That made no sense since the team has been folding for 10+ years.  Didn't see the small menu at the bottom that said that I was only seeing 30 days of posts till just a few minutes ago.  Odd that it would default to that.  Now I've got more to read and can stop asking so many noob questions (in theory).  You guys have it really broken down with this series of WUs worth more than another series and how different series use GPU resources at different rates.  I was especially interested in the cost analysis at different electric rates.  I have a kill-a-watt meter en route from Amazon.  If I keep this up, I probably need to reimburse my housemate for the energy usage.  She pays the bills, I just pay her rent for living in her basement.
 
Edit:  Not too bad, my little rig that generates about 200K ppd costs about $13/month to run.
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Re: Point differences now and then 2018/05/19 19:42:03 (permalink)
Ipkha how are you 1080ti's getting just under 2 million ppd?  Is that each, or altogether?  As my single is currently doing about 1.25 million pdd under linux.  And I would love some magic trick to get more points haha!
 
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Re: Point differences now and then 2018/05/19 20:23:31 (permalink)
@Ranmacanada
I interpreted it as just under 2mil ppd for both cards when gaming. If not gaming, more like you.
 
Welcome Haywire! If my memory serves correctly, there was no QRB (quick return bonus) 10 years ago for the GPU's, just CPU's.
I think that came about 5-6 years ago or something like that. About 8 years ago the QRB (BigAdv) could be had on a mainstream cpu like the 2600k. Stanford didn't like that and changed the point system to keep it from happening. A lot of folders left after building new systems just for that.
A positive outcome of that here, was the inception of our crunching team and we joined many other strong folding teams in that arena. To this day crunching is a viable alternative for the CPU as opposed to folding because Stanford eventually eliminated the QRB for CPU and included it for GPU. They lost a lot more folders with that second move as well.


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Re: Point differences now and then 2018/05/20 04:35:28 (permalink)
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Re: Point differences now and then 2018/05/20 05:56:32 (permalink)
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I saw that crunching forum down there but didn't look into it.  Does what they're doing make better use of the CPU than FaH as far as electric cost vs results and can you run that and FaH on the same rig?


We believe that crunching projects absolutely make better use of the CPU than Fah. As far as I know, folding proteins is the same science on the GPU and CPU only the GPU can do it 100 times more efficiently. Also you need to leave a core or 2 available to the GPU when folding on it.
 
So you can run things like Ebola, Zika and Smash Childhood Cancer research on your CPU while folding on the GPU. Also, there are many GPU crunching projects and a lot of us go back and forth from folding to crunching. You are in complete control of what you run and how much resources you commit to them.
 
Just remember to leave 1 CPU core or thread available to the GPU whether folding or crunching.
 


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Re: Point differences now and then 2018/05/20 05:59:03 (permalink)
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Re: Point differences now and then 2018/05/20 06:06:28 (permalink)
You were typing when I was deleting... LOL.
 
I did some reading and most of the information I found was out of date.  Thought poem@home looked good till I found the wiki page and saw that it shut down 2 years ago "due to BOINC being made redundant by the advance in GPUs".  I was only interested in medical research and didn't see a lot of that in the project lists that I found.  Also from what I read here, it is more hands on.  Sounded like a bit of a pain to configure and the one project you had to manually download WUs when they became available instead of it running automatically in the background.  I just skimmed a bunch of posts, so maybe I got the wrong idea.
 
I should probably take this down to the crunching forum...
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Re: Point differences now and then 2018/05/25 21:57:03 (permalink)
My 1080ti averages around 1.01 to 1.2M PPD, the two 1080's on the very low side 775K, but most of the time they are between 850K to 890K per card.  The 1050ti is averaging about 190K and the 1050 is around 140K.  All 5 machines are running windows 10.    

 




 
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