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Optimizing GTX 1080 Ti Kingpin on air

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2018/01/07 05:58:15 (permalink)
I just purchased 1080 Kingpin, which is probably overkill for my 3770K @ 4.7Ghz rig, all of which is on air (great airflow).

I started reading reviews of this great card and it became confusing with all the extra gadgets, BIOS types, sensors, etc.

I only want max stable OC on air without going to un-sustainable extremes, hard-mods, or dangerous temps.
- Do I have to somehow activate the OC BIOS?
- Are there BIOS updates?
- Do I need to use those extra gadgets, wires, etc., assuming I do not plan on water-cooling this card?
- Anything else I should know?
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    Re: Optimizing GTX 1080 Ti Kingpin on air 2018/01/07 08:24:05 (permalink)
    Have at least 2 PCIe Slots OPEN between any other PCIe Card for Air.
    Use TWO Separate PCIe 8-Pin Power Cables from your PSU.
    Do Not Use Only One PCIe Power Cable to Connect the Two 8-Pin Power Connectors on the Graphics Card.
     
    I only want max stable OC on air without going to un-sustainable extremes, hard-mods, or dangerous temps.
    - Do I have to somehow activate the OC BIOS? No
    - Are there BIOS updates? No from EVGA
    - Do I need to use those extra gadgets, wires, etc., assuming I do not plan on water-cooling this card? No
    - Anything else I should know? Maybe
     
    About the USB 2.0 Header
    Thank you for contacting EVGA. With the K|NGP|N cards you only need to use the USB connector for EC firmware update and diagnostics. As such, you don't need the cards plugged in to USB for them to work and no major features are lost by not having the cards plugged in via USB. If you are updating the EC firmware or trying to run diagnostics, both cards will need to each card will need to be plugged in to use these features.
     
    Install PXOC
    1)
    Set the Voltage Slider to the Max GPU 120 and Temp to 90 *To Start On the Normal Bios.
    See how well you Card Runs and keep an eye on the Temps (You do with PXOC) Start with 50% Fans.

    2)
    Set the Voltage Slider to the Max GPU 130 and Temp to 90 *To Start On the OC Bios. Start with 70% Fans.

    See how well you Card Runs and keep an eye on the Temps (You do with PXOC)

     
    To change the Bios on the Graphics Card Power Off your Computer and Turn Off the PSU or Unplug the Power Cable.
    Wait for all the Motherboard Lights Go Out.
    Move the Bios to the Middle on the Dip Switch or Bios Button on the top of the Graphics Card.
    Power On and you should now see the Bios LED has Turned Amber in Color. LED top Center Rear of GPU.
     
     
    To manage the RGB you use PXOC

     
    Do Not Close if you want to Sync Color Changes
     
    I use NVIDIA LEDVisualizer Dim the RGB + the SLI Bridge.
    Link http://international.download.nvidia.com/GFE/LEDViz/1.0.0.0/LEDVisualizer_v1.0.0.0.exe

     
    Other Tools EVGA_LED_Controller Version v1.2.1
     
     
    End of Posting, Best of Luck With Your New Graphics Card.
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    Re: Optimizing GTX 1080 Ti Kingpin on air 2018/01/07 09:06:50 (permalink)
    To get the most out of your card on air...
     
    #1 Flash the extreme watercooling oc vbios released by kingpin/tin to the ln2 switch on your card.
    #2 Download/install precision xoc.
    #3 Set fans, voltage, power target & temp target to max inside precision.
    #4 Enable kboost inside precision.
    #5 Increase gpu clock offset in 13 MHz intervals until you crash/see artifacts. Once you crash/start seeing artifacts start reducing the gpu clock offset in 13 MHz intervals until stable. Note max stable gpu clock offset for later use. Reset gpu clock offset to +0.
    #6 Increase memory clock offset in 100 MHz intervals until you crash/see artifacts. One you crash/start seeing artifacts start reducing the memory clock offset in 50 MHz intervals until stable.
    #7 Apply both max stable gpu clock offset & max stable memory clock offset together.
    #8 Test for stability. Reduce clocks if needed.
     
    It would be best to test each game for stability. Testing for stability in unigine superposition on its 8k preset would be a good idea too.
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    Re: Optimizing GTX 1080 Ti Kingpin on air 2018/01/07 09:30:12 (permalink)
    bcavnaugh 
    I would NOT Recommenced the Below, Mostly because of your CPU and Your Unknown Hardware.
    #1 Flash the extreme watercooling oc vbios released by kingpin/tin to the ln2 switch on your card.

    Unknown hardware?
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    Re: Optimizing GTX 1080 Ti Kingpin on air 2018/01/07 09:31:09 (permalink)
    See Sajin Posts.
    post edited by bcavnaugh - 2018/01/07 11:41:30

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    Re: Optimizing GTX 1080 Ti Kingpin on air 2018/01/07 09:33:28 (permalink)
    I'm not trolling. I'm asking a legitimate question. What do you mean by unknown hardware?
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    Re: Optimizing GTX 1080 Ti Kingpin on air 2018/01/07 09:37:01 (permalink)
    See Sajin Posts.
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    Re: Optimizing GTX 1080 Ti Kingpin on air 2018/01/07 12:24:41 (permalink)
    Was just looking at this thread and I am guessing the OP is putting the card in the existing system in his sig.
    I would take a good look at the age of his PSU - he has an Corsair Gold AX 850W listed
    Just to keep his system running smoothly
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    Re: Optimizing GTX 1080 Ti Kingpin on air 2018/01/08 05:09:08 (permalink)
    I asked about my PSU being good enough for this card on different forums and people replied it was good enough.

    As far as using separate cables to power the card, do you mean to just use fully independent cables and not split (2 from 1), like the included split cable / adapter?

    Big thanks for all the help! The only real differences between clocking it (for an air rig) compared to my older single 8-pin Gigabyte GTX 1080 that I noticed in the given advice are:
    - Use independent power cables
    - Select orange (OC) BIOS (not risking with LN...)
    - Use Precision X with KBoost enabled

    Has anyone noticed an increase in OC or OC stability from turning off LED effects entirely? It worked on Gigabyte GTX 1080 (50Mhz extra OC on GPU), but again, it only needed a single 8-pin power plug and was likely power-limited due to it.

    P.S. Are there any full non-YouTube reviews for this card, like the ones Guru3D writes?

    I cannot believe I just spent $1050 on a card to finally run GTA V maxed out with ENB MSAA at 1080p with Redux mod and get 60-ish FPS...
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    Re: Optimizing GTX 1080 Ti Kingpin on air 2018/01/08 08:44:17 (permalink)
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    do you mean to just use fully independent cables and not split (2 from 1), like the included split cable / adapter?

    Has anyone noticed an increase in OC or OC stability from turning off LED effects entirely? It worked on Gigabyte GTX 1080 (50Mhz extra OC on GPU), but again, it only needed a single 8-pin power plug and was likely power-limited due to it.

    P.S. Are there any full non-YouTube reviews for this card, like the ones Guru3D writes?

    Yes, no, best reviews/guides... https://www.gamersnexus.net/news-pc/2929-evga-1080ti-kingpin-in-depth-vrm-pcb-tear-down & http://forum.kingpincooli.../showthread.php?t=3972
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    Re: Optimizing GTX 1080 Ti Kingpin on air 2018/01/09 09:05:46 (permalink)
    I heard there is some special "Classified" application made just for Kingpin cards that is not related to Precision X. Is that so? What exactly does it do and where can I get it?
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    Re: Optimizing GTX 1080 Ti Kingpin on air 2018/01/09 09:16:16 (permalink)
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    I heard there is some special "Classified" application made just for Kingpin cards that is not related to Precision X. Is that so? What exactly does it do and where can I get it?


    Yep, you can get it from the second link I posted on post #10. It will allow you to tweak the voltages on the card to higher levels than allowable through precision xoc.
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    Re: Optimizing GTX 1080 Ti Kingpin on air 2018/01/09 09:32:24 (permalink)
    Thanks, but I assume for air adjusting those voltages would be considered entering the - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siwpn14IE7E 
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    Re: Optimizing GTX 1080 Ti Kingpin on air 2018/01/09 09:34:45 (permalink)
    No problem. Yep, but you could use the tool to force a constant safe core voltage, or even under volt the card with the tool.
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    Re: Optimizing GTX 1080 Ti Kingpin on air 2018/01/09 11:38:13 (permalink)
    Doesn't KBoost in Precision X force constant voltage?
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    Re: Optimizing GTX 1080 Ti Kingpin on air 2018/01/09 13:18:45 (permalink)
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    Doesn't KBoost in Precision X force constant voltage?

    Yes.
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    Re: Optimizing GTX 1080 Ti Kingpin on air 2018/01/09 15:09:23 (permalink)
    Got the beast - awesome performer, but I find Precision X overly confusing and sluggish as hell, almost locking up my PC and that's after a format and clean OS re-instlall. MSI AB get's the job done though. The card stays between 1980-2012Mhz 100% of the time, which is excellent! 
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    Re: Optimizing GTX 1080 Ti Kingpin on air 2018/01/09 15:23:05 (permalink)
    Doesn't Evga guarantee 2025 mhz for the Kingpin card

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    Re: Optimizing GTX 1080 Ti Kingpin on air 2018/01/09 16:27:32 (permalink)
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    Doesn't Evga guarantee 2025 mhz for the Kingpin card


    Yes.
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    Re: Optimizing GTX 1080 Ti Kingpin on air 2018/01/09 16:41:49 (permalink)
    If the Kingpin does not do 2025 mhz boost clock speed and maintain the speed can it be sent back as RMA to Evga

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    Re: Optimizing GTX 1080 Ti Kingpin on air 2018/01/09 16:48:35 (permalink)
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    If the Kingpin does not do 2025 mhz boost clock speed and maintain the speed can it be sent back as RMA to Evga


    Most likely. 
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    Re: Optimizing GTX 1080 Ti Kingpin on air 2018/01/09 16:57:03 (permalink)
    Thank you Sajin.

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    Re: Optimizing GTX 1080 Ti Kingpin on air 2018/01/09 19:36:21 (permalink)
    Errr... I doubt it is supposed to maintain 2025Mhz all the time. It boosts to 2025Mhz sometimes, but mostly stays at 1980-2012Mhz. Again, I am not using KBoost or even Precision X.

    I am quite happy with all aspects of it, aside from not being a 4K card for some of my favorite modded games like Witcher 3 and GTA V. I still have to stick with 1080p for those...
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    Re: Optimizing GTX 1080 Ti Kingpin on air 2018/01/09 20:03:39 (permalink)
    To maintain 2025 MHz or greater you'll most likely need to overclock the card to at least 2065 MHz or more.
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    Re: Optimizing GTX 1080 Ti Kingpin on air 2018/01/10 20:16:52 (permalink)
    It looks like it. What is the average air OC for such a card with OC BIOS enabled, steep/aggressive fan curve with maxed out power and voltage (via Precision X)? 
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    Re: Optimizing GTX 1080 Ti Kingpin on air 2018/01/11 16:23:45 (permalink)
    Just got one of my Kingpins yesterday and I am able to overclock the card to maintain 2065. with standard precision settings just GPU and Mem. offset.

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    Re: Optimizing GTX 1080 Ti Kingpin on air 2018/01/11 16:45:49 (permalink)
    You really don’t need too big of a gap between the kp and other cards. The fans draw air into the sink then blow exhaust out the side of the card. As long as you have a very small gap so that fans can suck air into the cooler you are fine.

    The bigger issue is circulation and air exhaust from the enclosure.
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    Re: Optimizing GTX 1080 Ti Kingpin on air 2018/01/29 01:07:41 (permalink)
    that was super helpful. 
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    Re: Optimizing GTX 1080 Ti Kingpin on air 2018/01/29 08:49:46 (permalink)
    make sure that there's lots of air space around the card. Also, take a look at the new kingpin bios that allows for 150% power.
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    Re: Optimizing GTX 1080 Ti Kingpin on air 2018/01/29 11:25:10 (permalink)
    sweet at least the kingpin does have some special features
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