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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/07/29 15:51:07 (permalink)
Hmmm, Tempting, You guys think the 40 series is < or > 2 months away.

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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/07/29 16:00:35 (permalink)
Regardless of the release date, the 40-series KPE is likely gonna be >> 2 months away.  
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/07/29 16:18:02 (permalink)
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Hmmm, Tempting, You guys think the 40 series is < or > 2 months away.




Announcement less than 2 months. Actual ability to get one? >2 months.
 
 

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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/07/30 22:58:34 (permalink)
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/07/31 00:49:01 (permalink)
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Just tested my KPE 3090TI.
PORT ROYAL core+100 mem+500 ,2175mhz ,15265 NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti video card benchmark result - AMD Ryzen 9 5950X,ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. ROG CROSSHAIR VIII EXTREME (3dmark.com)
TIME SPY core+120 ,2175mhz ,crushed in test 2 NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti video card benchmark result - AMD Ryzen 9 5950X,ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. ROG CROSSHAIR VIII EXTREME (3dmark.com)
Could anyone tell me if it's normal?


I expected a higher score for port royal. I get that with a regular 3090 kingpin.
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/07/31 06:58:19 (permalink)
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Just tested my KPE 3090TI.
PORT ROYAL core+100 mem+500 ,2175mhz ,15265 NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti video card benchmark result - AMD Ryzen 9 5950X,ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. ROG CROSSHAIR VIII EXTREME (3dmark.com)
TIME SPY core+120 ,2175mhz ,crushed in test 2 NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti video card benchmark result - AMD Ryzen 9 5950X,ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. ROG CROSSHAIR VIII EXTREME (3dmark.com)
Could anyone tell me if it's normal?




Hmm, it's low compared to mine. I get the same score on stock clocks. 
 
https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1659842
 
 
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/07/31 08:08:30 (permalink)
Ran a Time Spy test in stock settings and gets 21461,only 2%-3% better than my KPE 3090,and the clock was 2070(2043avg)
Would they allow me to start an RMA?I'm thinking I received a very bad simple.
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/07/31 08:38:03 (permalink)
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Ran a Time Spy test in stock settings and gets 21461,only 2%-3% better than my KPE 3090,and the clock was 2070(2043avg)
Would they allow me to start an RMA?I'm thinking I received a very bad simple.




Perhaps Sajin can comment on this, but no, I don't think you will be allowed to RMA your card for this. If you look on the 3090 TI KPE the EVGA website under the "Specs" tab, EVGA only guarantees a 1950 MHz boost clock. Anything higher than the guaranteed 1950 MHz boost clock is technically overclocking or running the card "out of spec." EVGA does not guarantee overclocking capability or capacity in any form. By your own admission, your card at "stock clocks" is clocking a boost of 2043 average, which is almost 100 Mhz higher than the guaranteed EVGA boost clock of 1950 Mhz on this SKU. No way EVGA would allow an RMA on that.
 
This is called playing the Silicon Lottery. Some cards are binned extremely well. I believe Sajin's 3090TI BLACK (not even FTW3 Ultra) can hold OVER 2250 Mhz in PR/TSE. On the other hand, some 3090 TI KPE's can only do 2050 Mhz. 
 
My own 3090TI KPE can only hold 2175-2190 Mhz on PR and Time Spy Extreme. It can do +1000 Mhz on the memory. I have a separate Asus ROG Strix LC 3090 Ti that can consistently hold 2205 Mhz on PR/TSE and +1400 MHz on the memory. Technically, my Asus ROG Strix LC 3090 TI performs slightly better than my KPE 3090 TI. 
 
In short, we both played the Silicon Lottery and we "lost." I.E., we got a card that seems to clock at average or slightly below average.
 
It will be extremely difficult to truly know what the bins are without taking a wide survey with a large enough sample size (at least 50). Who knows, maybe the "true average" bin of the 3090 TI chip is 2150Mhz for maximal overclock potential. Also, there is probably selection bias for the card-owners willing to take such a survey, as most people who purchase these cards don't use MSI afterburner or PX1 and don't bother posting on forums. They just run the cards and play their games or use their GPU accelerated applications. 
 
I can guarantee you 100% however, Carol1134, that EVGA absolutely does NOT bin these chips for the different SKU's. When you purchase a 3090 TI KPE, you should be fully informed about your decision. You are NOT purchasing a better binned chip, 100%, full stop, period. The difference between the cheapest SKU (FTW3 Black aka Sajin's card) and the most expensive SKU (KPE 3090 TI) is only 90 Mhz in the boost clock. Your extra $500 (FTW3 Black at $1499 vs KPE 3090 TI + PSU at $1999) is going to the special custom PCB on the KPE. The KPE has the dip switches, the extra 12-pin GPU Power plugin for an extra 450W of PSU power, and the ability to use the card for XOC without having to apply any shunt mods. The KPE PCB is ready to "plug and play" for LN2 XOC without having to do any additional modifications. The LN2 bios allows you to bypass any temperature safeties. All you need to do is just strap on an LN2 pot and you're ready to go. Before the EVGA discounts, you could also argue that part of the extra $500 was going to the AIO cooler, but that argument is now void given you can purchase an FTW3 Ultra Hybrid 3090TI for the same $1499 price point. 
 
In short, your KPE 3090Ti has a special PCB that makes it much easier and straightforward to do XOC. You also get the KPE Edition "e-prestige." But please be aware that EVGA absolutely does not bin these chips for performance. Virtually every 3090TI chip can do 1950Mhz boost clock, which is all that EVGA guarantees you in terms of performance.
 
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/07/31 09:18:51 (permalink)
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/07/31 11:12:44 (permalink)
What memory OC's can you FTW3 3090 Ti owners get?  If I go anything over +950 I get errors so I back it down to +900.  I could have sworn I thought i read somewhere +12-1500 was normal OCs for this ram.  So can you all please share with me what your FTW3 3090Ti mem oc stabily too?!  THank you

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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/07/31 11:51:35 (permalink)
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Just tested my KPE 3090TI.
PORT ROYAL core+100 mem+500 ,2175mhz ,15265 NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti video card benchmark result - AMD Ryzen 9 5950X,ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. ROG CROSSHAIR VIII EXTREME (3dmark.com)
TIME SPY core+120 ,2175mhz ,crushed in test 2 NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti video card benchmark result - AMD Ryzen 9 5950X,ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. ROG CROSSHAIR VIII EXTREME (3dmark.com)
Could anyone tell me if it's normal?

Most likely normal for your platform. AMD systems score lower than Intel. You won’t be able to rma either. Using the xoc vbios and classified controller to bump your voltages should help you get some higher clocks/score.

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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/07/31 15:48:13 (permalink)
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What memory OC's can you FTW3 3090 Ti owners get?  If I go anything over +950 I get errors so I back it down to +900.  I could have sworn I thought i read somewhere +12-1500 was normal OCs for this ram.  So can you all please share with me what your FTW3 3090Ti mem oc stabily too?!  THank you


3090 ti Ftw3 ultra +1040


 
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/07/31 15:53:48 (permalink)
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What memory OC's can you FTW3 3090 Ti owners get?  If I go anything over +950 I get errors so I back it down to +900.  I could have sworn I thought i read somewhere +12-1500 was normal OCs for this ram.  So can you all please share with me what your FTW3 3090Ti mem oc stabily too?!  THank you


Really depends on the actual card itself. My 3090 ti hybrid couldn't even do +700 lol.
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/07/31 19:34:23 (permalink)
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What memory OC's can you FTW3 3090 Ti owners get?  If I go anything over +950 I get errors so I back it down to +900.  I could have sworn I thought i read somewhere +12-1500 was normal OCs for this ram.  So can you all please share with me what your FTW3 3090Ti mem oc stabily too?!  THank you


3090 ti Ftw3 ultra +1040

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What memory OC's can you FTW3 3090 Ti owners get?  If I go anything over +950 I get errors so I back it down to +900.  I could have sworn I thought i read somewhere +12-1500 was normal OCs for this ram.  So can you all please share with me what your FTW3 3090Ti mem oc stabily too?!  THank you


Really depends on the actual card itself. My 3090 ti hybrid couldn't even do +700 lol.


crazy how different each card is.  thank you all for your feedback as its much appreciated



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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/07/31 20:44:25 (permalink)
Yeah! It varies hugely.
My KPE 3090ti could only do +1000 MHz, but my Asus ROG Strix LC 3090ti could do +1400 MHz easy. Both could not do more than +135 on the core, sadly.
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/07/31 21:43:07 (permalink)
I dont think these kingpins are "binned" as much as they may say they are.

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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/08/01 08:33:13 (permalink)
Yes.AMD systems usually score 3% lower than Intel.
It's true that under sufficiently high voltage,some cards could get a sharp boost to its clock.But I used to adjust the clock/voltage(0.85V @1995Mhz for my KPE 3090) curve for daily use,which could make the card quiet and live longer.
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/08/02 13:36:51 (permalink)
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Ran a Time Spy test in stock settings and gets 21461,only 2%-3% better than my KPE 3090,and the clock was 2070(2043avg)
Would they allow me to start an RMA?I'm thinking I received a very bad simple.




Perhaps Sajin can comment on this, but no, I don't think you will be allowed to RMA your card for this. If you look on the 3090 TI KPE the EVGA website under the "Specs" tab, EVGA only guarantees a 1950 MHz boost clock. Anything higher than the guaranteed 1950 MHz boost clock is technically overclocking or running the card "out of spec." EVGA does not guarantee overclocking capability or capacity in any form. By your own admission, your card at "stock clocks" is clocking a boost of 2043 average, which is almost 100 Mhz higher than the guaranteed EVGA boost clock of 1950 Mhz on this SKU. No way EVGA would allow an RMA on that.
 
This is called playing the Silicon Lottery. Some cards are binned extremely well. I believe Sajin's 3090TI BLACK (not even FTW3 Ultra) can hold OVER 2250 Mhz in PR/TSE. On the other hand, some 3090 TI KPE's can only do 2050 Mhz. 
 
My own 3090TI KPE can only hold 2175-2190 Mhz on PR and Time Spy Extreme. It can do +1000 Mhz on the memory. I have a separate Asus ROG Strix LC 3090 Ti that can consistently hold 2205 Mhz on PR/TSE and +1400 MHz on the memory. Technically, my Asus ROG Strix LC 3090 TI performs slightly better than my KPE 3090 TI. 
 
In short, we both played the Silicon Lottery and we "lost." I.E., we got a card that seems to clock at average or slightly below average.
 
It will be extremely difficult to truly know what the bins are without taking a wide survey with a large enough sample size (at least 50). Who knows, maybe the "true average" bin of the 3090 TI chip is 2150Mhz for maximal overclock potential. Also, there is probably selection bias for the card-owners willing to take such a survey, as most people who purchase these cards don't use MSI afterburner or PX1 and don't bother posting on forums. They just run the cards and play their games or use their GPU accelerated applications. 
 
I can guarantee you 100% however, Carol1134, that EVGA absolutely does NOT bin these chips for the different SKU's. When you purchase a 3090 TI KPE, you should be fully informed about your decision. You are NOT purchasing a better binned chip, 100%, full stop, period. The difference between the cheapest SKU (FTW3 Black aka Sajin's card) and the most expensive SKU (KPE 3090 TI) is only 90 Mhz in the boost clock. Your extra $500 (FTW3 Black at $1499 vs KPE 3090 TI + PSU at $1999) is going to the special custom PCB on the KPE. The KPE has the dip switches, the extra 12-pin GPU Power plugin for an extra 450W of PSU power, and the ability to use the card for XOC without having to apply any shunt mods. The KPE PCB is ready to "plug and play" for LN2 XOC without having to do any additional modifications. The LN2 bios allows you to bypass any temperature safeties. All you need to do is just strap on an LN2 pot and you're ready to go. Before the EVGA discounts, you could also argue that part of the extra $500 was going to the AIO cooler, but that argument is now void given you can purchase an FTW3 Ultra Hybrid 3090TI for the same $1499 price point. 
 
In short, your KPE 3090Ti has a special PCB that makes it much easier and straightforward to do XOC. You also get the KPE Edition "e-prestige." But please be aware that EVGA absolutely does not bin these chips for performance. Virtually every 3090TI chip can do 1950Mhz boost clock, which is all that EVGA guarantees you in terms of performance.
 


OK so I've seen this theory parroted around. I'm going to share what I know about this after talking with several people who are in the know. EVGA absolutely DOES bin the chips in their Kingpin models. Generally they just check V/F scaling and take the top couple (5-10%? exact % is dependent on how many they want to make) of chips and put them in KP. The problem is the silicon Nvidia sends to AIBs is not all of equal quality. Some batches are significantly weaker than older batches, and in general GPU dies trend weaker with time. This is a well known phenomenon in XOC. The best cores generally come very very early on in the production cycle and again trend weaker over time. Some of this is down to Nvidia Keeping the best V/F curve dies for themselves to put in their Quadro/A6000 GPUs, and some of it is likely due to yields and manufacturing tolerances etc. But the point is, EVGA does indeed bin these cards. But they can only bin what Nvidia sends them. If the batches are weak, then even the best dies in those batches might still be weaker than GPUs from stronger bins that didn't make the binning threshold. 
 
If you want to know your GPUs general bin Go into precision X1 after a reboot and without touching anything else hit the boost lock button. The higher the frequency displayed, generally the better the card is in terms of silicon quality. You can also look at your V/F curve in MSI Afterburner and find the the highest frequency point that the GPU is set to achieve by default. You can think of this similar to how you might think of an SP rating on Intel CPUs with ASUS boards. However (like SP ratings) there is still definitely alot of variation so that's why its important to also test max overclocks and performance.
 
However bear in mind that this "Boost Bin" number this is affected by temperature, so you need to be aware of which temperature thresholds cause Nvidia's GPU boost to kick in and downclock the cards so you can isolate for temperature. Bios can also play a slight factor in boost clock but there is no general rule to follow to isolate and account for this. This Bin also only works for core quality. Memory is another thing entirely and has to be checked independently. But if you look at Gamers Nexus video when he tore down the 3090 Ti he notated that his FTW3 had a 2040 Bin as notated on the die by EVGA, and confirmed by EVGA Jacob on the phone. I personally have Several EVGA cards that have their Bin numbers hand written on the side of the die. Its clear evidence that EVGA is indeed "Binning" the GPUs. But buying a Kingpin does not guarantee you an absolute golden sample. There is still A LOT of variation but ALL the dies on KP cards are binned and are FAR above the average die within the particular batch the Nvidia sent EVGA at the time of production. 
 
I have yet to see a 3090 Ti KP that isnt atleast a 2070 MHz binned chip. And 2085+ MHz is VERY common on them. Those are VERY strong cores compared to the current 3090 Ti Class of silicon being sold by AIBs. It seems as though the initial batch of 3090 Ti Silicon was very strong. Likely Nvidia had been binning the dies and building up stock before the official release of the product. Also it seems the initial batch of new GDDR6X memory chips were also had much better scaling than the newer batches. As a result the initial 3090 Ti cards overclocked MUCH better (2190+ on PR) than modern ones, many of which cant even sustain 2145 MHz. The memory on those early cards also overclocked much better (+1400-1500 was achievable on good samples) where as current cards can start artifacting with as little as +700.
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/08/02 15:20:21 (permalink)
Binned for out of box frequency isn’t truly binning.

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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/08/02 16:02:36 (permalink)
I didn't say they binned directly for frequency. They bin by VF scaling. Which by definition translates into higher frequencies. It's much the same as SP rating for CPUs. Boost bin is only correlatory with silicon quality. It is not a guarantee of anything. Its no different than SP rating.
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/08/02 16:13:06 (permalink)
How does binning for VF scaling work?  I'm not familiar with that concept.  Define "VF scaling".
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/08/02 16:31:29 (permalink)
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How does binning for VF scaling work?  I'm not familiar with that concept.  Define "VF scaling".


VF scaling is short for Voltage Frequency scaling. I don't know all the specifics on the steps they take, but I do know 100% without a doubt that they do indeed bin chips for these cards, and I know that they use stock boost frequency binning as one part of the process. As evidenced by all the markings on different dies from cards in my own personal collection and has been well documented elsewhere. Those markings (EVGA current policy now mandates that they get erased) always directly translate Into the stock boost bin.
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/08/02 18:48:12 (permalink)
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How does binning for VF scaling work?  I'm not familiar with that concept.  Define "VF scaling".


VF scaling is short for Voltage Frequency scaling. I don't know all the specifics on the steps they take, but I do know 100% without a doubt that they do indeed bin chips for these cards, and I know that they use stock boost frequency binning as one part of the process. As evidenced by all the markings on different dies from cards in my own personal collection and has been well documented elsewhere. Those markings (EVGA current policy now mandates that they get erased) always directly translate Into the stock boost bin.



VF Scaling tests males most sense for a company like EVGA. True ATE IC/Chip/die level equipment that nVidia/AMT/Intel have costs millions of dollars to own and maintain. EVGA is at the mercy of nVidia and can only run a small hand full of tests on a custom socket fitting to one of their KPE PCB's just to wire up and test VF scale/curve without having to solder the chip down. Then binning them this way with their own process. 
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/08/02 18:54:16 (permalink)
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How does binning for VF scaling work?  I'm not familiar with that concept.  Define "VF scaling".


VF scaling is short for Voltage Frequency scaling. I don't know all the specifics on the steps they take, but I do know 100% without a doubt that they do indeed bin chips for these cards, and I know that they use stock boost frequency binning as one part of the process. As evidenced by all the markings on different dies from cards in my own personal collection and has been well documented elsewhere. Those markings (EVGA current policy now mandates that they get erased) always directly translate Into the stock boost bin.



VF Scaling tests males most sense for a company like EVGA. True ATE IC/Chip/die level equipment that nVidia/AMT/Intel have costs millions of dollars to own and maintain. EVGA is at the mercy of nVidia and can only run a small hand full of tests on a custom socket fitting to one of their KPE PCB's just to wire up and test VF scale/curve without having to solder the chip down. Then binning them this way with their own process. 


Yep that's definitely part of it. But I'm not sure what other steps they might also take. But at the end of the day good scaling chips tend to have higher stock frequencies all else being equal. So they look for stock boost frequencies and use that as a large part of the determining factor when binning GPUs and deciding which ones are good enough to make the cut.
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/08/02 18:56:18 (permalink)
When comparing my 3090 kpe clocks to other 3090 kpe owners who used their cards on the stock coolers mine wasn’t that great.

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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/08/03 10:42:01 (permalink)
Hasn't someone quoted Jacob if this Kingpin cards are binned? No one flat out asked prior?

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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/08/03 10:53:37 (permalink)
AHowes
Hasn't someone quoted Jacob if this Kingpin cards are binned? No one flat out asked prior?



He's stated the FTW3 cards specifically are "binned" but thats not the same as what the guys/gals are talking about above.  They are "binning" cards to make sure they get the advertised clocks they are selling and that to me goes the same with the kingpins.  Now granted the kingpins are binned higher then a FTW3 card they aren't in the sure essence that EVGA is paying extra for "top binned" cards or spending time binning all dies and hand picking the top few.  Now maybe for some of those sponsored by EVGA for XOC, lol.


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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/08/04 07:51:24 (permalink)
Yes,3090TI FTW3 ULTRA was binned,but it was only pretested to make sure it could run stably in stock bios.I'm thinking there is no difference between FTW3 BLACK and ULTRA,they are the same except their BIOS.Also,most 3090TI's PCB layouts are the same,except 3090TI KINGPIN and Galaxy HOF OC LAB EDITION.
EVGA did officially guarantee the ASIC quality for 980ti(four levels from 72% to 80%),clocks for 1080ti KINGPIN(2025Mhz),but 3090 and 3090TI KINGPIN were not.I thought EVGA had some issues when producing KINGPIN.
I owned all KINGPIN series except GTX 980 KINGPIN,and my 2080ti KINGPIN can both run in 2175mhz and higher with HYDRO COPPER Kit installed.I'm sure they are binned to run in higher clocks.
Maybe it is not wise to purchase the first batch of KINGPIN,as those really "top binned" cards would be sent to those overclockers for advertising.
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/08/04 09:15:09 (permalink)
My 3090 ti had 2040 wrote on it. That is where it runs mostly.


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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/08/04 14:49:02 (permalink)
Is it normal that I can play FC5 @ 2205Mhz but Metro Exodus Enhanced Version I top out @ 2175Mhz. FC5 is pure rasterization and metro exodus is Ray traced and DLSS. Does using Ray Tracing lower the potential Max OC for a given game? I was getting pissed that Metro was CTD every now and then so I kept lowering my MSI Afterburner settings to +145C +900M and just gamed for nearly 40 minutes and all was perfect, where as before @ 2205 it would CTD within minutes. FC5 could care less, I can play @ 2230 and have no issues. Keep in mind, my temps never exceed 39c

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