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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Kingpin 2021/02/14 22:00:00 (permalink)
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Anyone know if its possible to show multiple stats in the kingpin window at the same time? Instead of just swapping one after the other. Like showing voltages temps and clocks in small fonts at the same time?




Nope...it is such a waste of space to only have one stat at a time.
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Kingpin 2021/02/14 22:03:27 (permalink)
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Anyone know if its possible to show multiple stats in the kingpin window at the same time? Instead of just swapping one after the other. Like showing voltages temps and clocks in small fonts at the same time?




Nope...it is such a waste of space to only have one stat at a time.


yeah ive looked at the file and theres strings like ID_GPU_TEMP1 and stuff... I thought maybe if I put a variable in the message like $ID_GPU_TEMP1 or %ID_GPU_TEMP1 or %$ID_GPU_TEMP1%, but no luck. didn't work.
 
from a programming perspective, it should not be hard to do.
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Kingpin 2021/02/14 22:13:13 (permalink)
Having the actual power consumption displayed more accurately is the most important stat I can think of to display if you're not running it super hot or super cold, or anything of the sort.  
 
Keep in mind, that display is only something like 176 pixels by 48 pixels - it COULD display more than one thing at a time, but it wouldn't look very good.  Probably should be a feature they might add, but then again, with it being such a niche card, who knows how much they'll do in terms of additions/improvements to the display part of it.

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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Kingpin 2021/02/15 01:35:20 (permalink)
I have a another problem now.

I thought that after 1.043 i was getting a good set up for constant overclock without classified tool but most of games hits power target so I can't do 1.068v because it's even worst.

This is what I'm using but I have to do something to increase the power usage or lower the overclock and voltage (i don't want to because temps are very good).
Vbios: LN2.
GPU 2160mhz @1.043v
VRAM 1164mhz
Max power draw is 460W (gpu-z shows power limit).
Port Royal 14725.

Any ideas to improve this power limit problem without having to lower voltage?
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Kingpin 2021/02/15 02:10:04 (permalink)
You should definitely do further testing if you plan to use that consistently.  My card ran benchmarks at 2160MHz @ 1043mV no problem, but when I ran Cyberpunk on it it caused issues, had to up the voltage to get it to actually be completely stable in game with no issues to 1068mV.  I'm sure part of that is silicon lottery & some people will have better or worse results, but if you're planning to use the clocks for 24/7 daily use, better to be safe than sorry, and in this case, better to have a little bit more voltage than you need, than not enough & crash during a competitive game or something like that, or a quest that has no save points possible and takes half an hour to complete or the like :-P

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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Kingpin 2021/02/15 02:18:51 (permalink)
I mean I can up 1.068v easy because temps are great.

The problem is that I reach the Max Power Green line in GPU-Z so I don't gain anything. Actually a little bit worst unless I found a way to use the 520W that we are supposed to achieve with the LN2 bios.

I only touched a bit the Classified Bios to see if I can do anything with. Raised a bit the voltage of gpu and I got to 520W but not more performance than 1.043v without the classified tool.

Any thoughts on this?
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Kingpin 2021/02/15 08:58:51 (permalink)
i've noticed that the memory gets really hot. like ~90C under loads for a while. the GPU die ive never seen go above like 60C, but the memory gets extra hot. Is there anyway to lower this?
 
I've heard the memory temps dictate the performance of the modules, and if the temps are high it'll bring down the performance and make things like gaming and mining unstable.
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Kingpin 2021/02/15 09:56:48 (permalink)
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i've noticed that the memory gets really hot. like ~90C under loads for a while. the GPU die ive never seen go above like 60C, but the memory gets extra hot. Is there anyway to lower this?
 
I've heard the memory temps dictate the performance of the modules, and if the temps are high it'll bring down the performance and make things like gaming and mining unstable.


If you're seeing 90s on the iCX sensors for Memory you need to check your Memory Junction Temp on HWInfo64 - you might be getting close to the thermal limit on those chiplets.
 
I hate to beat a dead horse with the "sounds like a bad mount" thing, but my memory temps have never gotten anywhere near that high even when I was testing mining hashrate on the card.  The highest Junction Temp I saw during that was 84C (and I let it run for a good 1 1/2 hours testing that), iCX readouts were lower by 5-13C.
 
You should consider doing some heatsinks on the backside vram units if they're getting hot: https://forums.evga.com/3...-side-m3219773-p2.aspx
 
 

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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Kingpin 2021/02/15 10:07:23 (permalink)
what was your OC and voltages? 
 
would adding a thermal pad void the warranty?
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Kingpin 2021/02/15 11:18:08 (permalink)
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what was your OC and voltages? 
 
would adding a thermal pad void the warranty?



Why would improving cooling void your warranty?  I'm only removing the backplate, nothing else.  You can full on take the card apart & put it back together & warranty is still intact, only doing LN2 cooling on the 1000W BIOS or stuff like that actually voids your warranty.
 
Those temps were with stock VRAM & 2100MHz 1025mV on the core.

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Re: Sightings of the EVGA RTX 3090 Kingpin 2021/02/16 00:43:17 (permalink)
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Will be interesting to see what difference it makes once the thermal tape is on. Have you looked under the back plate to see what EVGA put under there?

 
I have not removed the back plate, but I looked at a pic shows exactly where the VRAM is located.  So I changed my arrangement slightly after applying the thermal tape to be as follows:

 
I also upgraded to a Nuctua 3,000 rpm capable fan and slightly changed its location to direct a bit more air over the heat sinks closest to the motherboard.  I basically raised it slightly so that it was at a slight angle and rested on the CPU tightening knobs:
 

 
Turns out the thermal tape did not make much difference since the heat sinks made excellent contract and transferred heat quite well just resting on the back plate.
 
Here are my results with the fan at 2,000 (Current) and 2,900 rpm (Minimum):
 

 
I'm happy with the readings I get with the fan @ 2,000 rpm as it is relatively quiet where the 2,900 setting is annoying and only lowers my temp by 2 degrees max.


I did something similar with heatsinks direct contact with the backplate. Noctua fan on top or heatsinks. Reduced around 4-5°C.

So adding a high-end conductivity thermal pad between the heatsink and the backpkate won't help much reducing the temps? (I'll save around 40 bucks)
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Re: Sightings of the EVGA RTX 3090 Kingpin 2021/02/16 02:24:31 (permalink)
Temps will vary depending on the case and airflow setup.  If you're getting high temps and depending on the case, you'll either want direct airflow on the backplate in a open case or test a closed case with the door open and closed and reconfigure the fans for proper efficiency via positive pressure.  That also doesn't exclude ambient temps as you'll want the coolest air entering the case.

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Re: Sightings of the EVGA RTX 3090 Kingpin 2021/02/16 05:04:59 (permalink)
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I did something similar with heatsinks direct contact with the backplate. Noctua fan on top or heatsinks. Reduced around 4-5°C.

So adding a high-end conductivity thermal pad between the heatsink and the backpkate won't help much reducing the temps? (I'll save around 40 bucks)



Currently I'm seeing 3-11C lower temps on my vRAM iCX sensors, and that's pre-redoing/improving thermal pads, just with the heatsinks only & a fan blowing over them:
 

And those temperature reductions are despite a higher Core OC/voltage & a +1000MHz memory OC.
 
If it weren't for me messing up my back on Sunday, I would have already done the thermal pads, but I can't lean/bend over things for any amount of time right now so operating on the backside of the GPU is out of the question for at least a few more days.

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Re: Sightings of the EVGA RTX 3090 Kingpin 2021/02/16 06:57:58 (permalink)
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I did something similar with heatsinks direct contact with the backplate. Noctua fan on top of heatsinks blowing air up (not sure if has to blowing up or down). Reduced around 4-5°C.

Used three heatsinks. Two 100x60(30mm tall) and one 100x100(20mm tall). My ram is low and I have to put a lower heatsink go cover that area below.

So adding a high-end conductivity thermal pad between the heatsink and the backpkate won't help much reducing the temps? (I'll save around 40 bucks)



Currently I'm seeing 3-11C lower temps on my vRAM iCX sensors, and that's pre-redoing/improving thermal pads, just with the heatsinks only & a fan blowing over them:
 

And those temperature reductions are despite a higher Core OC/voltage & a +1000MHz memory OC.
 
If it weren't for me messing up my back on Sunday, I would have already done the thermal pads, but I can't lean/bend over things for any amount of time right now so operating on the backside of the GPU is out of the question for at least a few more days.


That's looking good. Even when you will do more work when your back is good again.

I won't open the card or back plate from stock.

As you can see my heatsinks are different. Two are 100x60x30mm and one 100x100x20mm because the ram blocks 30mm tall ones. My fans are blowing up.

My question is that if I put a 15k/w 0.5mm thermal pad between the backplate and heatsink will help or not much. I read in a post that it didn't help much to another person but it was a 6k/w thermal pad.

Do you know if it will make any effect?
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Re: Sightings of the EVGA RTX 3090 Kingpin 2021/02/16 14:31:22 (permalink)

 
My KP build as it stands. I need some time to figure out how to change the voltage settings on this card. Having issues passed 2145mhz on the core.
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Re: Sightings of the EVGA RTX 3090 Kingpin 2021/02/16 14:50:54 (permalink)
Got the KP installed today and the max power draw I can make is about 440w.  PCI-e pin 3 seems to never draw more than about 80w, and the pcie slot draws no more than 60w.  Card will run through timespy at 2200mhz solid the entire way at about 1.05v - but the scores are lower than a run at 2000mhz.  Doesn't seem to power throttle anywhere - at least gpuz doesn't report it that way.  Not entirely sure why the scores are lower - but I'll be testing it more over the next bit to see if I can find a solution.
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Re: Sightings of the EVGA RTX 3090 Kingpin 2021/02/16 16:24:42 (permalink)
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That's looking good. Even when you will do more work when your back is good again.

I won't open the card or back plate from stock.

As you can see my heatsinks are different. Two are 100x60x30mm and one 100x100x20mm because the ram blocks 30mm tall ones. My fans are blowing up.

My question is that if I put a 15k/w 0.5mm thermal pad between the backplate and heatsink will help or not much. I read in a post that it didn't help much to another person but it was a 6k/w thermal pad.

Do you know if it will make any effect?



Is there nothing on there currently or Thermal tape?  It's possible doing Thermal Pads if they're thin like you say would help more than hurt.  I'd say pretty likely it would help, vs nothing and vs thermal tape - because from what I understand most thermal tape doesn't have too great of conductivity.

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Re: Sightings of the EVGA RTX 3090 Kingpin 2021/02/16 18:07:44 (permalink)
Hi everyone, I received my 3090 Kingpin hybrid a couple of weeks ago and have been having a really weird issue. Sometimes after a random cold start the AIO pump decides to not start. I noticed this first time when I shut down my computer to work on something and then started it back up. As soon as my computer booted up in windows, the hybrid fan as well as the GPU temp controlled radiator fans went crazy followed by an awful "GPU OVERHEAT" message. I checked x1 precision and the GPU temp was on 90°C and rising. I was on the LN2 bios which apparently doesn't have safeguards so I panicked and turned off the PSU.

After some more panicking, sweating and uninstalling and reinstalling the video card it suddenly started working.

Fast forward to today and I decided on updating my BIOS. Same ordeal again. This is ridiculous. Any tips?

Edit: After trying all sorts of things I gave up, let the card sit for an hour. Plugged everything in and the pump started working again. The easiest way to tell if the pump is working is the hoses start vibrating. Still need to find a permanent solution because this is annoying.
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Re: Sightings of the EVGA RTX 3090 Kingpin 2021/02/16 21:08:25 (permalink)
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Hi everyone, I received my 3090 Kingpin hybrid a couple of weeks ago and have been having a really weird issue. Sometimes after a random cold start the AIO pump decides to not start. I noticed this first time when I shut down my computer to work on something and then started it back up. As soon as my computer booted up in windows, the hybrid fan as well as the GPU temp controlled radiator fans went crazy followed by an awful "GPU OVERHEAT" message. I checked x1 precision and the GPU temp was on 90°C and rising. I was on the LN2 bios which apparently doesn't have safeguards so I panicked and turned off the PSU.

After some more panicking, sweating and uninstalling and reinstalling the video card it suddenly started working.

Fast forward to today and I decided on updating my BIOS. Same ordeal again. This is ridiculous. Any tips?

Edit: After trying all sorts of things I gave up, let the card sit for an hour. Plugged everything in and the pump started working again. The easiest way to tell if the pump is working is the hoses start vibrating. Still need to find a permanent solution because this is annoying.



The stock "LN2" 520W BIOS does still have protections in place - the card would've shut down automatically if it got any hotter.  You have to download the 1000W BIOS & Classified Tool to get a "fully unlocked" BIOS & that technically voids your warranty if they find out you used it.
 
I would suggest contacting eVGA Support/Customer Service (highly recommend doing so via phone) & seeing what they recommend, that pump issue should not be happening and it may indicate either the fan header for the pump is lose (rare, but it happens) or the pump is bad possibly.  They may ask if you're comfortable with taking the card apart enough to check if the plug in is loose or not - if you're not, RMAing it may be the only fix, if you are, I'm sure they can walk you through it.

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Re: Sightings of the EVGA RTX 3090 Kingpin 2021/02/16 22:57:37 (permalink)
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That's looking good. Even when you will do more work when your back is good again.

I won't open the card or back plate from stock.

As you can see my heatsinks are different. Two are 100x60x30mm and one 100x100x20mm because the ram blocks 30mm tall ones. My fans are blowing up.

My question is that if I put a 15k/w 0.5mm thermal pad between the backplate and heatsink will help or not much. I read in a post that it didn't help much to another person but it was a 6k/w thermal pad.

Do you know if it will make any effect?



Is there nothing on there currently or Thermal tape?  It's possible doing Thermal Pads if they're thin like you say would help more than hurt.  I'd say pretty likely it would help, vs nothing and vs thermal tape - because from what I understand most thermal tape doesn't have too great of conductivity.


Exactly. Right now there is nothing between the heatsink and the backplate.

The heatsinks get hot so there is some heat transmition for sure.

6k/w thermal pads are cheap but the 15k/w are expensive.

Will be very noticeable the different thermal pads in this particular case?
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Re: Sightings of the EVGA RTX 3090 Kingpin 2021/02/17 06:30:39 (permalink)
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The stock "LN2" 520W BIOS does still have protections in place - the card would've shut down automatically if it got any hotter.  You have to download the 1000W BIOS & Classified Tool to get a "fully unlocked" BIOS & that technically voids your warranty if they find out you used it.
 
I would suggest contacting eVGA Support/Customer Service (highly recommend doing so via phone) & seeing what they recommend, that pump issue should not be happening and it may indicate either the fan header for the pump is lose (rare, but it happens) or the pump is bad possibly.  They may ask if you're comfortable with taking the card apart enough to check if the plug in is loose or not - if you're not, RMAing it may be the only fix, if you are, I'm sure they can walk you through it.



Thank you, I will keep that in mind. It was just alarming to see a value of 109C on the core during one of my troubleshooting sessions  and was hoping the card to shut down but it did not. I will reach out to support this morning. I hope they suggest something DIY because I would rather save the back and forth shipping and being out of this card for an extended period. I am familiar with the KPE PCB layout and can do some troubleshooting myself.
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Re: Sightings of the EVGA RTX 3090 Kingpin 2021/02/17 09:53:16 (permalink)
Asked in another thread but I'll put it here for visibility - I have a 360 AIO on top as exhaust for CPU. KPE is up front as intake. 2 case fans bottom intake, rear exhaust. I notice that my GPU temps are great, but if I drop out and do something CPU heavy after a gaming session, my CPU temps are much higher than normal, I'm attributing this to not enough fresh air in the case, and the AIO liquid being hot from blowing hot air through the rad during the gaming session. A cold start my CPU temps are fine. 
 
SO - would any of these make sense: Rear intake to feed top AIO cold air? Top intake and hope the rear exhaust can move all the hot air from 2 AIOs? Front exhaust for KPE and hope the bottom 2 fans are enough intake (or possibly swap the rear to intake so all the air is back to front) 
 
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Re: Sightings of the EVGA RTX 3090 Kingpin 2021/02/17 10:51:09 (permalink)
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Asked in another thread but I'll put it here for visibility - I have a 360 AIO on top as exhaust for CPU. KPE is up front as intake. 2 case fans bottom intake, rear exhaust. I notice that my GPU temps are great, but if I drop out and do something CPU heavy after a gaming session, my CPU temps are much higher than normal, I'm attributing this to not enough fresh air in the case, and the AIO liquid being hot from blowing hot air through the rad during the gaming session. A cold start my CPU temps are fine. 
 
SO - would any of these make sense: Rear intake to feed top AIO cold air? Top intake and hope the rear exhaust can move all the hot air from 2 AIOs? Front exhaust for KPE and hope the bottom 2 fans are enough intake (or possibly swap the rear to intake so all the air is back to front) 
 
Thanks!




I have a Lian Li O11D and gone through the same scenario as you. I placed temperature probes on each radiator's intake and exhaust. CPU radiator raises the air temp by ~5C degrees while GPU radiator shows 10-15C change. I ended up using the top exhaust for GPU radiator and side intake for CPU radiator. The GPU dumps too much heat to be placed as intake.
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Re: Sightings of the EVGA RTX 3090 Kingpin 2021/02/17 11:16:40 (permalink)
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Asked in another thread but I'll put it here for visibility - I have a 360 AIO on top as exhaust for CPU. KPE is up front as intake. 2 case fans bottom intake, rear exhaust. I notice that my GPU temps are great, but if I drop out and do something CPU heavy after a gaming session, my CPU temps are much higher than normal, I'm attributing this to not enough fresh air in the case, and the AIO liquid being hot from blowing hot air through the rad during the gaming session. A cold start my CPU temps are fine. 
 
SO - would any of these make sense: Rear intake to feed top AIO cold air? Top intake and hope the rear exhaust can move all the hot air from 2 AIOs? Front exhaust for KPE and hope the bottom 2 fans are enough intake (or possibly swap the rear to intake so all the air is back to front) 
 
Thanks!




I have a Lian Li O11D and gone through the same scenario as you. I placed temperature probes on each radiator's intake and exhaust. CPU radiator raises the air temp by ~5C degrees while GPU radiator shows 10-15C change. I ended up using the top exhaust for GPU radiator and side intake for CPU radiator. The GPU dumps too much heat to be placed as intake.


Sadly I’m not sure my CPU AIO can reach. How much did your GPU temps raise by doing this?
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Re: Sightings of the EVGA RTX 3090 Kingpin 2021/02/17 11:26:23 (permalink)
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Sadly I’m not sure my CPU AIO can reach. How much did your GPU temps raise by doing this?



Not by much. I still sit at a respectable 55C full load under LN2 bios and solid 2100MHz on core
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Re: Sightings of the EVGA RTX 3090 Kingpin 2021/02/17 15:57:36 (permalink)
And to circle back - I'm using the OC bios, kept the fans on the KPE headers, and I will hit 472w of draw max on a looping stress test, so I'm pretty close to the 480 limit. I'm happy with those draw numbers. My old FTW3 would never break 370, drove me nuts.
 
Just got the card in yesterday so I have a lot of tweaking to do, but OC bios, +125 core is stable, and that keeps me boosting around 2100mhz in a stress test fully and my AIO heatsoaked. So far, so good!
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Re: Sightings of the EVGA RTX 3090 Kingpin 2021/02/18 01:28:30 (permalink)
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Asked in another thread but I'll put it here for visibility - I have a 360 AIO on top as exhaust for CPU. KPE is up front as intake. 2 case fans bottom intake, rear exhaust. I notice that my GPU temps are great, but if I drop out and do something CPU heavy after a gaming session, my CPU temps are much higher than normal, I'm attributing this to not enough fresh air in the case, and the AIO liquid being hot from blowing hot air through the rad during the gaming session. A cold start my CPU temps are fine. 
 
SO - would any of these make sense: Rear intake to feed top AIO cold air? Top intake and hope the rear exhaust can move all the hot air from 2 AIOs? Front exhaust for KPE and hope the bottom 2 fans are enough intake (or possibly swap the rear to intake so all the air is back to front) 
 
Thanks!




I have a Lian Li O11D and gone through the same scenario as you. I placed temperature probes on each radiator's intake and exhaust. CPU radiator raises the air temp by ~5C degrees while GPU radiator shows 10-15C change. I ended up using the top exhaust for GPU radiator and side intake for CPU radiator. The GPU dumps too much heat to be placed as intake.


I dedided to put my two cpu and gpu 360mm AIO radiator-fans exhaust so neither gets hot air from each other.

To keep case pressure i put as intake high speed pressure 2x140mm in the bottom and another one 1x140mm in the rear. All three at max speed.

The gpu fans at 80% when gaming. CPU don't get that much sleep so the balance is ok.

Testing temps i get gpu average around 50°C and CPU around 70°C (10900k@5.1ghz).

I use curve overclock in gpu of 1.043v at 2205mhz because more than this voltage i hit power limit.
Memory +1110mhz offset.

Its the first time I almost hit 15000 in Port Royale. No Classified tool. 14956 score.

I'm going to keep this as daily gaming.

Do you use stock fans or it's worth Noctuas A12x25?
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Re: Sightings of the EVGA RTX 3090 Kingpin 2021/02/18 13:45:29 (permalink)
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Re: Sightings of the EVGA RTX 3090 Kingpin 2021/02/18 14:36:41 (permalink)
White PCB best PCB my arse eh? lol  It's cool to see the Kingpin still trading blows with the HOF cards.

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