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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/05/11 11:45:12 (permalink)
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/05/15 02:54:27 (permalink)
 
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If there is ever going to be a 3090 Ti KingPin block at all, it would appear that the only one would be an EVGA Hydrocopper, and there is zero confirmation (that I'm aware of) that even a KPHC block will ever happen, unfortunately. That's why I'm waiting on EK for the 3090 Ti FTW3 Ultra block (which they confirmed is coming) ...and waiting... 
 
My 3090 Ti FTW3 Ultra is still in the box unopened, but not sure I can wait much longer, I might just have to go ahead and rebuild with a CPU only loop soon ..it's been a while since I've had an air cooled GPU. 




You could always go old school and hope the dimensions of the sockets are the same as before and slap a universal waterblock on there and add some heatsinks on the VRAMs with some fans blowing on the PCB.  I mean worst case scenario and aesthetics aren't of importance of course. 
 
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/05/16 05:32:35 (permalink)
Is Kinping 3090ti going to be realeased just a few week before the 4090 ? Looks like 40s series is planned for mid-July 


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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/05/16 06:02:05 (permalink)
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Is Kinping 3090ti going to be realeased just a few week before the 4090 ? Looks like 40s series is planned for mid-July 

Why are you saying July 2022 for the 4090? That is a complete fabrication - almost sounds like you're trying to troll with the "thumbs up" at the end, considering you've posted this in a couple of threads related to the 3090 or 3000 series. Almost everywhere I've seen has reported late September for the initial 4000 series release at earliest, and that would not include the 4090. Historically, Super/Ti models come out later, and much later still the XX90 equivalent, for example:
 
3080 release date: September 17, 2020
3080 Ti release date: June 3, 2021
3090 release date: September 24, 2021 (a whole year later)
3090 Ti release date: March 29, 2022
 
The only article I've found that proposed the earlier release date (with a total click bait title of course) at Computex later this month, but in the very same paragraph said it was highly unlikely because Jensen is not presenting at Computex this year, and he has announced every new generation of gaming and data center GPUs for as long as he's been there. So basically some dipshirt made up a story and posted it with acknowledgement is was likely complete crap, but clearly did it for clickbait, and now you're here saying "4090 planned for July!" - total bs.
 
edit: just realized you posted a week ago that you're planning a Z690 KP mobo with 2 x 3090 Ti KP in SLI, and now you post this? Certainly sounding trollish...
  
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/05/16 08:01:17 (permalink)
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Is Kinping 3090ti going to be realeased just a few week before the 4090 ? Looks like 40s series is planned for mid-July 

Why are you saying July 2022 for the 4090? That is a complete fabrication - almost sounds like you're trying to troll with the "thumbs up" at the end, considering you've posted this in a couple of threads related to the 3090 or 3000 series. Almost everywhere I've seen has reported late September for the initial 4000 series release at earliest, and that would not include the 4090. Historically, Super/Ti models come out later, and much later still the XX90 equivalent, for example:
 
3080 release date: September 17, 2020
3080 Ti release date: June 3, 2021
3090 release date: September 24, 2021 (a whole year later)
3090 Ti release date: March 29, 2022
 
The only article I've found that proposed the earlier release date (with a total click bait title of course) at Computex later this month, but in the very same paragraph said it was highly unlikely because Jensen is not presenting at Computex this year, and he has announced every new generation of gaming and data center GPUs for as long as he's been there. So basically some dipshirt made up a story and posted it with acknowledgement is was likely complete crap, but clearly did it for clickbait, and now you're here saying "4090 planned for July!" - total bs.
 
edit: just realized you posted a week ago that you're planning a Z690 KP mobo with 2 x 3090 Ti KP in SLI, and now you post this? Certainly sounding trollish...
 

3090 came out September 24 2020, just a couple weeks after the 3080.

That said, I highly doubt we'll see any new cards in April. September is probably when we'll see be cards.

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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/05/16 08:19:19 (permalink)
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Is Kinping 3090ti going to be realeased just a few week before the 4090 ? Looks like 40s series is planned for mid-July 

Why are you saying July 2022 for the 4090? That is a complete fabrication - almost sounds like you're trying to troll with the "thumbs up" at the end, considering you've posted this in a couple of threads related to the 3090 or 3000 series. Almost everywhere I've seen has reported late September for the initial 4000 series release at earliest, and that would not include the 4090. Historically, Super/Ti models come out later, and much later still the XX90 equivalent, for example:
 
3080 release date: September 17, 2020
3080 Ti release date: June 3, 2021
3090 release date: September 24, 2021 (a whole year later)
3090 Ti release date: March 29, 2022
 
The only article I've found that proposed the earlier release date (with a total click bait title of course) at Computex later this month, but in the very same paragraph said it was highly unlikely because Jensen is not presenting at Computex this year, and he has announced every new generation of gaming and data center GPUs for as long as he's been there. So basically some dipshirt made up a story and posted it with acknowledgement is was likely complete crap, but clearly did it for clickbait, and now you're here saying "4090 planned for July!" - total bs.
 
edit: just realized you posted a week ago that you're planning a Z690 KP mobo with 2 x 3090 Ti KP in SLI, and now you post this? Certainly sounding trollish...
 

3090 came out September 24 2020, just a couple weeks after the 3080.

That said, I highly doubt we'll see any new cards in April. September is probably when we'll see be cards.

Yeah already posted on another thread, wrong date, my bad. I'm more frustrated with these click bait articles seemingly trying to outdo each other with unrealistic claims based on 'sources'.
 


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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/05/16 08:25:29 (permalink)
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Is Kinping 3090ti going to be realeased just a few week before the 4090 ? Looks like 40s series is planned for mid-July 

Why are you saying July 2022 for the 4090? That is a complete fabrication - almost sounds like you're trying to troll with the "thumbs up" at the end, considering you've posted this in a couple of threads related to the 3090 or 3000 series. Almost everywhere I've seen has reported late September for the initial 4000 series release at earliest, and that would not include the 4090. Historically, Super/Ti models come out later, and much later still the XX90 equivalent, for example:

3080 release date: September 17, 2020
3080 Ti release date: June 3, 2021
3090 release date: September 24, 2021 (a whole year later)
3090 Ti release date: March 29, 2022

The only article I've found that proposed the earlier release date (with a total click bait title of course) at Computex later this month, but in the very same paragraph said it was highly unlikely because Jensen is not presenting at Computex this year, and he has announced every new generation of gaming and data center GPUs for as long as he's been there. So basically some dipshirt made up a story and posted it with acknowledgement is was likely complete crap, but clearly did it for clickbait, and now you're here saying "4090 planned for July!" - total bs.

edit: just realized you posted a week ago that you're planning a Z690 KP mobo with 2 x 3090 Ti KP in SLI, and now you post this? Certainly sounding trollish...


3090 came out September 24 2020, just a couple weeks after the 3080.

That said, I highly doubt we'll see any new cards in April. September is probably when we'll see be cards.

Yeah already posted on another thread, wrong date, my bad. I'm more frustrated with these click bait articles seemingly trying to outdo each other with unrealistic claims based on 'sources'.
 

I know. It drives me insane. Fake performance estimates, fake release dates. My Google feed is littered with them.

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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/05/16 08:44:11 (permalink)
is it clickbait tho? rumors from people who have a history of accurate leaks are worth considering when it comes to a $3000 purchase, at least for me personally
 
as for fake release dates, if the timeline says it can be ready for production launch by July, would you really be surprised? after all, it is clear the Ti PCBs will be used in the 40 series, so swapping the core and memory is not difficult. most of the lead time comes from driver r&d and pcb design. if they managed to cut most of that effort out by applying it to the 30 series Ti skus, it seems reasonable they could launch a couple months early.
 
i don't see how that's trolling at all. do most of y'all not check the videocardz posts daily? always a good skim if you're not following the direct sources on socials already
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/05/16 08:55:45 (permalink)
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is it clickbait tho? rumors from people who have a history of accurate leaks are worth considering when it comes to a $3000 purchase, at least for me personally
 
as for fake release dates, if the timeline says it can be ready for production launch by July, would you really be surprised? after all, it is clear the Ti PCBs will be used in the 40 series, so swapping the core and memory is not difficult. most of the lead time comes from driver r&d and pcb design. if they managed to cut most of that effort out by applying it to the 30 series Ti skus, it seems reasonable they could launch a couple months early.
 
i don't see how that's trolling at all. do most of y'all not check the videocardz posts daily? always a good skim if you're not following the direct sources on socials already

There's a couple of threads with this same discussion lol, so I already said sorry on another one, just frustrated with the click bait, and yes, I consider these click bait when the titles often make claims like '40 series release in July!!!' then the content tones it way down. That's pretty much what click bait is. I don't check videocardz.com/newz daily, or wccftech, mainly because so often they can be wildly inaccurate, at least until the 'real' release date comes closer. I would be very surprised if the 4090 is released in July. Very. I believe the chips are different between the 4090, 4080 and 4070 this time, rather than having the same chip with restrictions, and in my mind having different chips may end up delaying things. Time will tell though.
 


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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/05/16 08:59:34 (permalink)
yeah the posts are tagged as "rumor" so of course you have to temper your expectations, but the same sites are where the sources share white papers, pcb diagram leaks, etc so they have substance much of the time. as we saw with the 3090Ti timeline, things get delayed so it is very fluid imo
 
but even if it's september, i'm going to have a tough time making a choice on the Ti if the queue doesn't start shipping cards this week. once June hits I imagine there will be a very low demand for anything 30 series in the 3090+ price tier
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/05/16 09:06:25 (permalink)
I can see the kingpin card being easier to get than usual with the delay only people with extra cash who just want to bench them will buy. Ftw3 are in stock everywhere with not many buyers. Microcenter has 25+ in stock on the shelf close to where I’m at.
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/05/16 09:11:37 (permalink)
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yeah the posts are tagged as "rumor" so of course you have to temper your expectations, but the same sites are where the sources share white papers, pcb diagram leaks, etc so they have substance much of the time. as we saw with the 3090Ti timeline, things get delayed so it is very fluid imo
 
but even if it's september, i'm going to have a tough time making a choice on the Ti if the queue doesn't start shipping cards this week. once June hits I imagine there will be a very low demand for anything 30 series in the 3090+ price tier

I try not to pay too much attention to them. The specs are usually pretty accurate but the estimated performance numbers and release dates are too all over the place for me. I check videocardz every now and then but wccftech is right out. But I'm with you on the kingpin. If it's not this week I'll probably just wait for the next. I told myself if I got the 3090 Ti KPE I wouldn't get the 4090 FTW3 and just wait for the next KPE instead of getting both and selling the FTW3 later. But with queue 3.0 that might be the smartest thing to do anyways.

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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/05/16 10:32:25 (permalink)
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I can see the kingpin card being easier to get than usual with the delay only people with extra cash who just want to bench them will buy. Ftw3 are in stock everywhere with not many buyers. Microcenter has 25+ in stock on the shelf close to where I’m at.



no doubt, i want to bench it for sure but by now i could have ordered and been expecting the HOF to arrive any day. friend of mine got his today and it looks insane
 
i've had better luck with the vc for kingpin than the goc tool so was hoping to avoid that this time around. 
 
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I try not to pay too much attention to them. The specs are usually pretty accurate but the estimated performance numbers and release dates are too all over the place for me. I check videocardz every now and then but wccftech is right out. But I'm with you on the kingpin. If it's not this week I'll probably just wait for the next. I told myself if I got the 3090 Ti KPE I wouldn't get the 4090 FTW3 and just wait for the next KPE instead of getting both and selling the FTW3 later. But with queue 3.0 that might be the smartest thing to do anyways.



agreed, that's why i skipped the FTW3 Ti this time around, just doesn't seem like it is worth this late in the cycle. i have too much stuff in my backlog as it is. but man the kingpin looks sweet
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/05/16 13:29:52 (permalink)
I am in line for a ti KPE but probably have to pass, as it won't ever get a block.
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/05/17 12:38:39 (permalink)
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I can see the kingpin card being easier to get than usual with the delay only people with extra cash who just want to bench them will buy. Ftw3 are in stock everywhere with not many buyers. Microcenter has 25+ in stock on the shelf close to where I’m at.



no doubt, i want to bench it for sure but by now i could have ordered and been expecting the HOF to arrive any day. friend of mine got his today and it looks insane
 
i've had better luck with the vc for kingpin than the goc tool so was hoping to avoid that this time around. 
 
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I try not to pay too much attention to them. The specs are usually pretty accurate but the estimated performance numbers and release dates are too all over the place for me. I check videocardz every now and then but wccftech is right out. But I'm with you on the kingpin. If it's not this week I'll probably just wait for the next. I told myself if I got the 3090 Ti KPE I wouldn't get the 4090 FTW3 and just wait for the next KPE instead of getting both and selling the FTW3 later. But with queue 3.0 that might be the smartest thing to do anyways.



agreed, that's why i skipped the FTW3 Ti this time around, just doesn't seem like it is worth this late in the cycle. i have too much stuff in my backlog as it is. but man the kingpin looks sweet

Where do you order galax card from if you live in USA?
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/05/17 12:43:43 (permalink)
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I can see the kingpin card being easier to get than usual with the delay only people with extra cash who just want to bench them will buy. Ftw3 are in stock everywhere with not many buyers. Microcenter has 25+ in stock on the shelf close to where I’m at.



no doubt, i want to bench it for sure but by now i could have ordered and been expecting the HOF to arrive any day. friend of mine got his today and it looks insane
 
i've had better luck with the vc for kingpin than the goc tool so was hoping to avoid that this time around. 
 
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I try not to pay too much attention to them. The specs are usually pretty accurate but the estimated performance numbers and release dates are too all over the place for me. I check videocardz every now and then but wccftech is right out. But I'm with you on the kingpin. If it's not this week I'll probably just wait for the next. I told myself if I got the 3090 Ti KPE I wouldn't get the 4090 FTW3 and just wait for the next KPE instead of getting both and selling the FTW3 later. But with queue 3.0 that might be the smartest thing to do anyways.



agreed, that's why i skipped the FTW3 Ti this time around, just doesn't seem like it is worth this late in the cycle. i have too much stuff in my backlog as it is. but man the kingpin looks sweet

Where do you order galax card from if you live in USA?

 
https://galaxstore.net/
 
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/05/17 12:50:13 (permalink)
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I am in line for a ti KPE but probably have to pass, as it won't ever get a block.
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/05/17 12:54:45 (permalink)
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Where do you order galax card from if you live in USA?



couple options I guess:
 
1-order it from chinese websites and have someone proxy it for you. i think this requires a chinese address and whatever is required to reship. or know someone here who is dual citizenship that can buy for you directly. 
2-know someone at the oc lab who may be willing to sell a sample or limited inventory. enough poking around on the web and you can probably find someone who will help you if you have the cash and are willing to accept the risk/wait
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/05/18 08:15:28 (permalink)
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I can see the kingpin card being easier to get than usual with the delay only people with extra cash who just want to bench them will buy. Ftw3 are in stock everywhere with not many buyers. Microcenter has 25+ in stock on the shelf close to where I’m at.



no doubt, i want to bench it for sure but by now i could have ordered and been expecting the HOF to arrive any day. friend of mine got his today and it looks insane
 
i've had better luck with the vc for kingpin than the goc tool so was hoping to avoid that this time around. 
 
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I try not to pay too much attention to them. The specs are usually pretty accurate but the estimated performance numbers and release dates are too all over the place for me. I check videocardz every now and then but wccftech is right out. But I'm with you on the kingpin. If it's not this week I'll probably just wait for the next. I told myself if I got the 3090 Ti KPE I wouldn't get the 4090 FTW3 and just wait for the next KPE instead of getting both and selling the FTW3 later. But with queue 3.0 that might be the smartest thing to do anyways.



agreed, that's why i skipped the FTW3 Ti this time around, just doesn't seem like it is worth this late in the cycle. i have too much stuff in my backlog as it is. but man the kingpin looks sweet

Where do you order galax card from if you live in USA?

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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/05/18 18:53:02 (permalink)
Welp, looks like I'll be going FTW3....

 
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/05/18 18:59:31 (permalink)
I'm in queue for the 3090 Ti Kingpin but at his point I'll probably pass, who knows when it will launch and when my queue spot will come up. Already passed on a 3090 Ti FTW3 step-up.  Have a 3090 Kingpin.
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/05/18 19:46:06 (permalink)
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Welp, looks like I'll be going FTW3....

 


Thanks, didn't realize they had put it on pre-order already. Now I've got to decide whether to go with or without the active backplate - not sure it's needed on the 3090Ti, although obviously it doesn't hurt, lol.
 
edit: Screw it. Ordered the whole enchilada.   - it feels good to have a date (mid July).. and I trust EKWB will stick to that date too, or very close to it.
 
Now I can look at doing my rebuild since I have a 2 month window to use the 3090 Ti on air. Didn't really want to rebuild my existing loop and then find the block was coming out the next week.
 
 
 
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/05/18 20:11:17 (permalink)
Definitely wish I had the money for one of these):
 
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/05/18 20:34:36 (permalink)
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Welp, looks like I'll be going FTW3....

 

Thanks, didn't realize they had put it on pre-order already. Now I've got to decide whether to go with or without the active backplate - not sure it's needed on the 3090Ti, although obviously it doesn't hurt, lol.
 
edit: Screw it. Ordered the whole enchilada.   - it feels good to have a date (mid July).. and I trust EKWB will stick to that date too, or very close to it.
 
Now I can look at doing my rebuild since I have a 2 month window to use the 3090 Ti on air. Didn't really want to rebuild my existing loop and then find the block was coming out the next week.

I just happened to see another thread where they noted it had just gone on sale.  I just went with the non-active backplate (after putting an initial order through for the active).  Thought there might be some issues running an active backplate with a Z690 Dark with that honkin' heatsink.
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/05/18 21:19:38 (permalink)
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Welp, looks like I'll be going FTW3....

 

Thanks, didn't realize they had put it on pre-order already. Now I've got to decide whether to go with or without the active backplate - not sure it's needed on the 3090Ti, although obviously it doesn't hurt, lol.
 
edit: Screw it. Ordered the whole enchilada.   - it feels good to have a date (mid July).. and I trust EKWB will stick to that date too, or very close to it.
 
Now I can look at doing my rebuild since I have a 2 month window to use the 3090 Ti on air. Didn't really want to rebuild my existing loop and then find the block was coming out the next week.

I just happened to see another thread where they noted it had just gone on sale.  I just went with the non-active backplate (after putting an initial order through for the active).  Thought there might be some issues running an active backplate with a Z690 Dark with that honkin' heatsink.

No worries, I'll be vertical mounting it.
 


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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/05/19 04:35:39 (permalink)
I ordered the one sided block too, from the looks of the print it only looks like you would need about 10 mm on the back side clearance but it's one of those things you don't know until it is in hand.
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/05/19 06:30:35 (permalink)
screw the block, has he given any indication of when they'll start shipping kingpins? i think i'm giving myself a hard stop of tomorrow for this now. i want it but 2 months before 40 series, potentially? 3090 Ti kingpin will prob be smashed by 4070 XC3
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/05/19 06:44:01 (permalink)
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screw the block, has he given any indication of when they'll start shipping kingpins? i think i'm giving myself a hard stop of tomorrow for this now. i want it but 2 months before 40 series, potentially? 3090 Ti kingpin will prob be smashed by 4070 XC3




Had I known it would be months for the KP, I would have bought two 3090 Ti FTW3's on launch day and done a nice air cooled SLI setup on a Z690 or X570 FTW board.
 
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/05/19 06:55:24 (permalink)
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screw the block, has he given any indication of when they'll start shipping kingpins? i think i'm giving myself a hard stop of tomorrow for this now. i want it but 2 months before 40 series, potentially? 3090 Ti kingpin will prob be smashed by 4070 XC3




Had I known it would be months for the KP, I would have bought two 3090 Ti FTW3's on launch day and done a nice air cooled SLI setup on a Z690 or X570 FTW board.
 
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yeah same, i would have bought the ftw3 on launch day but maybe i'll just wait for b stock and bench it after 40 series comes out
 
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Re: *OFFICIAL* EVGA RTX 3090 Ti / 3090 Kingpin 2022/05/19 08:13:40 (permalink)
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screw the block, has he given any indication of when they'll start shipping kingpins? i think i'm giving myself a hard stop of tomorrow for this now. i want it but 2 months before 40 series, potentially? 3090 Ti kingpin will prob be smashed by 4070 XC3

Yeah, I'm feeling the same way. Even on launch day I was having second thoughts given the small performance difference from the 3090 and new cards being only months out. But now, with new cards RIGHT on the horizon, it's so much harder to justify.

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