The 970 launched with more VRAM than the 780 Ti and was comparable to the 780 Ti performance wise. So I can easily see the 1070/1080 (non Ti version) having 6/8GB of VRAM. Nvidia needs to make a reason for people to upgrade, which people won't do if the cards aren't that much better.

Oh I thought this was a 1000 series discussion thread. All of the benchmarks I've seen of the 970 show it always out performs the 780 by a bit and always went toe to toe with the 780 Ti (some games 970 was better by a few frames, some the 780 Ti was better). And I was talking about the 70/80 because if Pascal is anything like the past two architectures, we will be getting those first.

Isn't the rumor a single eight pin? If so that's the same amount of power as two six pins which the 970/80 have, so they could be in the same power range I think.

Bottom line the 1060 and 1070 will still be crippled. Question is, by how much?

ManBearPig

stalinx20
Bottom line the 1060 and 1070 will still be crippled. Question is, by how much?

Both the 1080 and 1080 Ti will be crippled as well. The Titans are the only cards from Nvidia that aren't crippled in some way.

So both 1080 and 1080ti will be using the same chip from the Titan? Maxwell has the 980ti using the same chip as a Titan, and the 980r is on a different chip. They already disclosed this information about the 1080 and 1080ti using the same chip from a Titan? Well.... not sure what to think of that.
 
So. we have quality -> Crippled -> more crippled -> then bad.

never mind.

Scarlet-Tech

stalinx20
That is seriously a joke if they do that to a 1060. They're going to put a 6gb memory on it but choke the bit rate? that's a pure scam. I understand you were only speculating, but if they do that same idea... I really want to be there for the people who consider getting a 1060. That's just garbage, 6gb vram on a 128 bus...

That is my point, every one else is speculating ridiculous claims that the 1060 will have 6gb of VRAM. That isn't going to happen, and if it does, it would be on a small bus, just like every 60 series before it. The 700 series was the exception because it was the GK104 just like the 770. People need to stop assuming and acting out and thinking Nvidia is going to cut their own throat.

There is no way they are going to make a 1060 anywhere comparable to a 980ti.. Period. That isn't going to happen. The most it will be comparable to is the 970, not the 980ti.

Again, people need to stop getting heated over speculation and they need to wait.

The mobile version may have it stupid amount to of VRAM, but we've seen how useful that is.

Also, the 960 on 4gb of VRAM is on a 128bit bus, so why wouldn't they put a 6gb version on a neutered bus? Please explain that.

 
Ok really ok lets look at the 6x series cards
 
2004 6600GT 128bit
2006 7600GT 128bit 
2007 8600GTS 128bit 
2008 9600GT 256bit 
2009 GTX 260 448bit 
2010 GTX 460 192/256 Bit
2011 GTX 560 Ti 256bit
2012 GTX 660 Ti 256bit
2014 GTX 760 256bit
2015 GTX 960 128bit
 
It seems the 6x series hasn't gone below 256bit before the 960 since the 8600GTS was the 6x card at the top of the 6x pile.
 
Lets also remember most of these except the 8600GTS and GTX 960 where as fast or faster than the 2nd to best prior video card.
 
a 6600GT was faster than the 5950 Ultra
7600GT was the same speed as a 6800GT
8600GTS would tie a 7900GS but not the 7950GT
9600GT was as fast as an 8800GTS 640 except with high resoltions or AA/AF
GTX 260 did smack the 8800 Ultra around
GTX 460 smacked the GTX 285 around
GTX 560 Ti was the same speed as the GTX 470
GTX 660 Ti was as fast as the GTX 580
GTX 760 was as fast as the GTX 670
GTX 960 falls between a GTX 660 Ti and a GTX 760 in preformance, first 6x card that failed to compete with the previous gen, it should have at least beat the GTX 770
 
 

Scarlet-Tech
The Titan X and 980ti were GM100, 980 and 970 were GM104 chips, and the 960/950 were GM107 (Same as the 750ti was) But, I haven't seen anything yet when it comes to the chip that will be used.

 
No the 960/950 are GM206

candle_86

Scarlet-Tech

stalinx20
That is seriously a joke if they do that to a 1060. They're going to put a 6gb memory on it but choke the bit rate? that's a pure scam. I understand you were only speculating, but if they do that same idea... I really want to be there for the people who consider getting a 1060. That's just garbage, 6gb vram on a 128 bus...

That is my point, every one else is speculating ridiculous claims that the 1060 will have 6gb of VRAM. That isn't going to happen, and if it does, it would be on a small bus, just like every 60 series before it. The 700 series was the exception because it was the GK104 just like the 770. People need to stop assuming and acting out and thinking Nvidia is going to cut their own throat.

There is no way they are going to make a 1060 anywhere comparable to a 980ti.. Period. That isn't going to happen. The most it will be comparable to is the 970, not the 980ti.

Again, people need to stop getting heated over speculation and they need to wait.

The mobile version may have it stupid amount to of VRAM, but we've seen how useful that is.

Also, the 960 on 4gb of VRAM is on a 128bit bus, so why wouldn't they put a 6gb version on a neutered bus? Please explain that.

 
Ok really ok lets look at the 6x series cards
 
2004 6600GT 128bit
2006 7600GT 128bit 
2007 8600GTS 128bit 
2008 9600GT 256bit 
2009 GTX 260 448bit 
2010 GTX 460 192/256 Bit
2011 GTX 560 Ti 256bit
2012 GTX 660 Ti 256bit
2014 GTX 760 256bit
2015 GTX 960 128bit
 
It seems the 6x series hasn't gone below 256bit before the 960 since the 8600GTS was the 6x card at the top of the 6x pile.
 
Lets also remember most of these except the 8600GTS and GTX 960 where as fast or faster than the 2nd to best prior video card.
 
a 6600GT was faster than the 5950 Ultra
7600GT was the same speed as a 6800GT
8600GTS would tie a 7900GS but not the 7950GT
9600GT was as fast as an 8800GTS 640 except with high resoltions or AA/AF
GTX 260 did smack the 8800 Ultra around
GTX 460 smacked the GTX 285 around
GTX 560 Ti was the same speed as the GTX 470
GTX 660 Ti was as fast as the GTX 580
GTX 760 was as fast as the GTX 670
GTX 960 falls between a GTX 660 Ti and a GTX 760 in preformance, first 6x card that failed to compete with the previous gen, it should have at least beat the GTX 770
 
 

Scarlet-Tech
The Titan X and 980ti were GM100, 980 and 970 were GM104 chips, and the 960/950 were GM107 (Same as the 750ti was) But, I haven't seen anything yet when it comes to the chip that will be used.

 
No the 960/950 are GM206

My gtx275 is faster than my friends gtx460 1gb in dx10 2560x1600 settings. But the gtx460 is faster at 1080p.

Scarlet-Tech
Ah, GM206, my apologies.  I didn't realize that it was the 206.  I guess I should have paid more attention, lol.
 
That is interesting that they raised the bus and then relowered it.  I know the 760 and 770 were on the same die, with the 760 being cut down.  I wonder what the purpose of them changing it so often is.
 

Maxwell does a better color compression, so it can juice more bandwidth from the same bus (for gaming purpose)

Stefem

ManBearPig
Both the 1080 and 1080 Ti will be crippled as well. The Titans are the only cards from Nvidia that aren't crippled in some way.

Better if you change "will" with "may"... or you have actual information? 

It is known at this point that Nvidia only releases one card per architecture that has the full unlocked potential, which right now they call them the Titan cards.  Unless for some odd reason Nvidia decides to drop the Titan cards (which they make really good profit margins from), the Titan will again be the full card that isn't crippled in any way.
 
I haven't seen any speculation that this generation would be different.

That's not what we wait.
I save money for something else...
I want full potential Pascal, even if that mean that I can't buy every generation.
Fact that your chip is slow down hurt as hell.
But best performance get people who buy high end not premium. Example GTX980 > 1080, etc...
They pay only half price of premium and 40-50% less performance. 

ugh that production naming.
 
I wish we could go back to exciting names like TNT2, Viper, and Voodoo for GPU's.
 
Pascal and 1080/1070's sounds like Easter has invaded HD TV.

just 5 more days to GTC.....and Jen-Hsun Huang keynote speech

NVIDIA looks like go in ASUS direction.
This their style. I only would like to NVIDIA stay in normal range with TITAN price.
Only that, nothing else. That's my only wish.
 
GM204 Maxwell is launched in September 2014 and GM200 in March 2015, period between them is not so small.
If that happen again we will wait GP100 to the Q4. And NVIDIA probably want to know little more about new Radeon.
 

um  new Zuaba finds from wcctech
puts new pascal high ends at like $2700-3000 a card
 
 
"... A total of 8 graphic cards, which on 22 March 2016 the United States went to India and a customs value 2700-3200 Euro (per piece) showed. ..."
http://www.3dcenter.org/news/hardware-und-nachrichten-links-des-30-maerz-2016 
 
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-flagship-gtx-1080-gtc-2016/ 
 
Pure Speculation on my part is this could be the dual Titans with 32GB
 
 
and new roadmap puts volta BEFORE 2018