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Re:New Video: EVGA GTX480SC BIOS Flash Tutorial
Tuesday, May 04, 2010 2:31 AM
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I will advise anyone interested in flashing their BIOS to contact the manufacturer before proceeding. A BIOS flash could fail, and if you can't get it back to stock, you're on your own.
no you can always recover from a bad flash unlike on motherboards all that is needed is a 2nd video card and a motherboard with more than 1 PCI-E slot, then its as easy as reflashing that other card sirjamesddj
Alright, I will credit you in the more info section of the video and the OP of this thread.
I had no idea til now that you're the guy behind NVTurboFlash. Should prove to you that I did zero looking into your thread and had no knowledge of it whatsoever.
My apologies for any miscommunication.
No problems thanks and great work on your video i will remove my crappy looking one, ps wish i didnt have a typeo in my name lol all other forums i go by LiveOrDie.
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Re:New Video: EVGA GTX480SC BIOS Flash Tutorial
Tuesday, May 04, 2010 2:44 AM
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Why not just pay fro the SC version of the cards like everyone else that got one? I think that wrong just my 2 cents EVGA should look into this bios thing makes no sence to charge people for a OC edition and then people go out and buy the vanillas just to change the bios and have them run at the speeds the SC versions do.
Thanks for the info, OP. devilstestament: I think EVGA recently confirmed the 400 series are currently being binned out by overclocking potential (e.g., the FTWs have demonstrated higher overclocking headroom above all others, the SCs above the vanillas, etc.) So if you bought an SC or FTW I wouldn't worry about someone else flashing to an SC BIOS. They could just as easily overclock it using other tools and you have the better card anyway, almost certainly guaranteed to have a higher stable overclock than someone who took a vanilla and flashed it to SC BIOS. $30 to get an SC which has been binned higher than a vanilla is the REAL value of the SC IMHO... not the SC BIOS which just raises the clock a hardly noticable 25mhz. JMHO.
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Re:New Video: EVGA GTX480SC BIOS Flash Tutorial
Tuesday, May 04, 2010 2:45 AM
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I will advise anyone interested in flashing their BIOS to contact the manufacturer before proceeding. A BIOS flash could fail, and if you can't get it back to stock, you're on your own.
no you can always recover from a bad flash unlike on motherboards all that is needed is a 2nd video card and a motherboard with more than 1 PCI-E slot, then its as easy as reflashing that other card
No, you can't always recover from a bad GPU bios flash. There are many other factors to consider. What if you flash it with the wrong bios and it bricks the internal components of your card? Tell us how we can get it back to the original.
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Re:New Video: EVGA GTX480SC BIOS Flash Tutorial
Tuesday, May 04, 2010 2:48 AM
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No problems thanks and great work on your video i will remove my crappy looking one, ps wish i didnt have a typeo in my name lol all other forums i go by LiveOrDie.
That makes complete sense now. Earlier in the thread all I was thinking was, "Who is this hippy "LoveOrDie" guy who's trashing my video"? I was going to reference that the method is applicable to all Nvidia cards, but I did not want to get a comment box full of questions regarding whether a flash is possible with an 8600gts.
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Re:New Video: EVGA GTX480SC BIOS Flash Tutorial
Tuesday, May 04, 2010 3:14 AM
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I will advise anyone interested in flashing their BIOS to contact the manufacturer before proceeding. A BIOS flash could fail, and if you can't get it back to stock, you're on your own.
no you can always recover from a bad flash unlike on motherboards all that is needed is a 2nd video card and a motherboard with more than 1 PCI-E slot, then its as easy as reflashing that other card
No, you can't always recover from a bad GPU bios flash. There are many other factors to consider. What if you flash it with the wrong bios and it bricks the internal components of your card? Tell us how we can get it back to the original.
You cant flash one cards bios onto a different card normally the only way this can be done is by force flashing, and i didn't set up NVTubroFlash to force flash, you can brick the card and it will not display any thing at all but it still can be recovered with no damage, flashing the wrong bios onto a card will not harm components. sirjamesddj
loveordie
No problems thanks and great work on your video i will remove my crappy looking one, ps wish i didnt have a typeo in my name lol all other forums i go by LiveOrDie.
That makes complete sense now.
Earlier in the thread all I was thinking was, "Who is this hippy "LoveOrDie" guy who's trashing my video"?
I was going to reference that the method is applicable to all Nvidia cards, but I did not want to get a comment box full of questions regarding whether a flash is possible with an 8600gts.
lol sorry about that man i didn't mean to go ape on you, yer i get were your going on people regarding other cards the nvflash version 5.91.01 that is in the iso covers all recent nvidia cards just a note  umm seems there a newer version out Version 5.93.01 ill send you the updated link when i finish adding it in.
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Re:New Video: EVGA GTX480SC BIOS Flash Tutorial
Tuesday, May 04, 2010 3:35 AM
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It's cool dude just a miscommunication. I've got the link on a "certain site" going right to the Box.net hyperlink you've got listed. So anybody that wishes to download will get any version you put on there. I'm just fine personally having my Vanilla 480 BIOS. If one came out that made the GPU run cooler however, I might be tempted.
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Re:New Video: EVGA GTX480SC BIOS Flash Tutorial
Tuesday, May 04, 2010 4:18 AM
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I will advise anyone interested in flashing their BIOS to contact the manufacturer before proceeding. A BIOS flash could fail, and if you can't get it back to stock, you're on your own.
no you can always recover from a bad flash unlike on motherboards all that is needed is a 2nd video card and a motherboard with more than 1 PCI-E slot, then its as easy as reflashing that other card
No, you can't always recover from a bad GPU bios flash. There are many other factors to consider. What if you flash it with the wrong bios and it bricks the internal components of your card? Tell us how we can get it back to the original.
That is not posable and you can only flash your card with a different cards bios if you force flash and i didn't set the commands to do this it will not flash if the bios doesn't match the card, and u can brick the card and it will no show any video at all you can still recover it by flashing it again it will not harm components of the card.
Your paragraph is hard to read. Please try to use proper sentence structure and spell check.
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Re:New Video: EVGA GTX480SC BIOS Flash Tutorial
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sorry was in a rush i fixed my paragraph
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Re:New Video: EVGA GTX480SC BIOS Flash Tutorial
Tuesday, May 04, 2010 6:32 AM
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This is in the EVGA warranty section:
The product is returned to EVGA in the original factory configuration and condition. All aftermarket modification must be reversed before sending in the product for replacement.
So let's say you mod the BIOs and it screws up the video card. If you return it to RMA and during a diagnostic test a non EVGA BIOs is found on the card it is not warrantied. That is the risk you take by putting on a non EVGA video card BIOs.
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Re:New Video: EVGA GTX480SC BIOS Flash Tutorial
Tuesday, May 04, 2010 6:43 AM
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This is in the EVGA warranty section:
The product is returned to EVGA in the original factory configuration and condition. All aftermarket modification must be reversed before sending in the product for replacement.
So let's say you mod the BIOs and it screws up the video card. If you return it to RMA and during a diagnostic test a non EVGA BIOs is found on the card it is not warrantied. That is the risk you take by putting on a non EVGA video card BIOs.
yes we all know this but its no different than some one changing there stranded bios settings then reflashing the risk is still there, most of the time if a card go faulty you still be able to flash it back to normal and if you cant do that how would evga test it any ways.
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Re:New Video: EVGA GTX480SC BIOS Flash Tutorial
Tuesday, May 04, 2010 4:38 PM
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So let's say you mod the BIOs and it screws up the video card. If you return it to RMA and during a diagnostic test a non EVGA BIOs is found on the card it is not warrantied. That is the risk you take by putting on a non EVGA video card BIOs.
In the video, the card was flashed to an EVGA-BIOS, an SC version shipped with the GPUs themselves. The main purpose is for those who own an SC card already, namely if you get two cards and they each have different BIOS versions. I entitled it "EVGA GTX480SC BIOS Flash Tutorial" and not "GTX480 to 480SC Flash", and put a number of cautions in for that very reason. I think a nice clear and simple tutorial is more advantageous and will result in less bricked cards than a dozen confusing ones on the net.
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Re:New Video: EVGA GTX480SC BIOS Flash Tutorial
Tuesday, May 04, 2010 5:03 PM
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sirjamesddj and loveordie,
I'm glad you guys found a middle ground. Life's too short to be mad at everything, you know?
Anyway, back on topic.
loveordie, you mention having to force flash when trying to flash a card with a BIOS that was not designed for that card, like having a Vanilla card and trying to flash it with a SC bios, right?
Here's something that's odd. One of my SC's actually came with a Vanilla BIOS....yep, that's right. How this happened I have no clue because I bought two SC's from Newegg and both cards are only 4 serial numbers apart, so you would think it would have been flashed the same as all the rest in that particular bin, but that's another story.
So, my SC had a Vanilla BIOS on it, so I contacted EVGA and they sent me the correct SC BIOS, which was packaged as a single .iso file which I had to burn to a disc, no big deal. Does this mean the flash software they sent me did a force flash since it first found a Vanilla BIOS, and replaced it with a SC BIOS??
On that note, just to make sure, does this mean that NVTurboFlash (which I didn't know you put together yourself either, by the way) absolutely cannot flash a Vanilla card with an SC BIOS? Or an SC card with an FTW BIOS?
By the way, in case anyone is wondering, my SC didn't perform ANY different with the Vanilla BIOS vs. the SC BIOS, so I am thinking all that's different between the different versions is the default clock speed and maybe fan profiles.
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Re:New Video: EVGA GTX480SC BIOS Flash Tutorial
Tuesday, May 04, 2010 5:08 PM
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Yup we're cool JD. Just a miscommunication, and actually he's a really good guy.
NVTurboFlash can flash a Vanilla 480 up to an SC BIOS just fine. Again, that is not my recommendation, but it works.
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Re:New Video: EVGA GTX480SC BIOS Flash Tutorial
Tuesday, May 04, 2010 5:08 PM
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This is in the EVGA warranty section:
The product is returned to EVGA in the original factory configuration and condition. All aftermarket modification must be reversed before sending in the product for replacement.
So let's say you mod the BIOs and it screws up the video card. If you return it to RMA and during a diagnostic test a non EVGA BIOs is found on the card it is not warrantied. That is the risk you take by putting on a non EVGA video card BIOs.
That's great news! So now we know that as along as we put it back like we got it, all is good. Thank you for that clarification. The only thing you don't say is what happens if we are using an EVGA BIOS. Your example is for a non-EVGA BIOS, but if we use an EVGA BIOS, then it doesn't matter what BIOS we use, right?
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Re:New Video: EVGA GTX480SC BIOS Flash Tutorial
Tuesday, May 04, 2010 5:13 PM
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Yup we're cool JD. Just a miscommunication, and actually he's a really good guy.
NVTurboFlash can flash a Vanilla 480 up to an SC BIOS just fine. Again, that is not my recommendation, but it works.
Glad to hear it. As far as flashing from Vanilla to SC, I'd like to get an FTW BIOS to see if it makes any difference or if all that's different is the default clock speed again. I already asked one person that I saw with an FTW, but he couldn't share his BIOS, and nobody has uploaded anything to techpowerup other than the SC BIOS. Does EVGA have a download section for their vga bios's?
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Re:New Video: EVGA GTX480SC BIOS Flash Tutorial
Tuesday, May 04, 2010 5:44 PM
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Does EVGA have a download section for their vga bios's?
I'll be you everything from a diddly-eyed Joe to a danged-if-I-know that there is no such section. That would borderline condone flashing up, and it wouldn't be responsible to go against one's own policy.
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Re:New Video: EVGA GTX480SC BIOS Flash Tutorial
Tuesday, May 04, 2010 5:47 PM
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Does EVGA have a download section for their vga bios's?
I'll be you everything from a diddly-eyed Joe to a danged-if-I-know that there is no such section.
That would borderline condone flashing up, and it wouldn't be responsible to go against one's own policy.
I know, but rjohnson has mentioned there being one many times, so I thought I was missing something.
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Re:New Video: EVGA GTX480SC BIOS Flash Tutorial
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Re:New Video: EVGA GTX480SC BIOS Flash Tutorial
Tuesday, May 04, 2010 7:24 PM
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Nice one, but I thought you would have posted this instead, lol 
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Re:New Video: EVGA GTX480SC BIOS Flash Tutorial
Tuesday, May 04, 2010 7:28 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO2uXNQkubQ
Special thanks to my friend jdookie, and loveordie the creator of NVTurboFlash.
Just as the title says, this video will show you exactly the methods to use in order to flash your GPU to an updated BIOS.
Caution: This tutorial is intended for those who wish to update the BIOS corresponding with your card's part number, or have received a GPU with the wrong BIOS installed.
I am not advocating flashing to a BIOS which is not applicable to its respective GPU, which is apparently a warranty-void. That is purely your own decision.
Therefore, I am not responsible for any bad flashes and/or voided warranties.
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Unrelated to the topic but... What model samsung is that monitor?
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Re:New Video: EVGA GTX480SC BIOS Flash Tutorial
Tuesday, May 04, 2010 7:33 PM
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I think he has the Samsung SyncMaster 305T. I know, I drool over it every time I watch one of his videos. If Samsung comes out with a 30" 2560x1600 120hz version, I am definitely buying it.
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Re:New Video: EVGA GTX480SC BIOS Flash Tutorial
Tuesday, May 04, 2010 7:34 PM
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It's the 305T, jjsmith1. I don't have the $$$ or the deskspace for three of them, though.
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Re:New Video: EVGA GTX480SC BIOS Flash Tutorial
Tuesday, May 04, 2010 7:37 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO2uXNQkubQ
Special thanks to my friend jdookie, and loveordie the creator of NVTurboFlash.
Just as the title says, this video will show you exactly the methods to use in order to flash your GPU to an updated BIOS.
Caution: This tutorial is intended for those who wish to update the BIOS corresponding with your card's part number, or have received a GPU with the wrong BIOS installed.
I am not advocating flashing to a BIOS which is not applicable to its respective GPU, which is apparently a warranty-void. That is purely your own decision.
Therefore, I am not responsible for any bad flashes and/or voided warranties.
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Unrelated to the topic but... What model samsung is that monitor?
If I'm not mistaken it looks like a Samsung 305T. http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16824001098 You guys are quick. I should type a little faster next time. ;)
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Re:New Video: EVGA GTX480SC BIOS Flash Tutorial
Tuesday, May 04, 2010 7:46 PM
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Yeah JD I'm really not trying to open up that can. Just wanna be 100% clear on the policy before I get a steady stream of, "Will this void my warranty" queries on The Tube.
From what I've understood, it does not void your warranty to do the actual flash. But if you own a Vanilla EVGA 480 and are jacked up to an SC BIOS, you had better be able to flash it back before RMA.
If I've misunderstood anything, I'd appreciate somebody letting me know.
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Re:New Video: EVGA GTX480SC BIOS Flash Tutorial
Thursday, May 06, 2010 0:25 PM
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I keep getting failed to read BIOS on both the thumb drive method, and when i burn it to a CD. Any ideas?
Using SirJames's Tutorial verbatim, and his bios's and utilities. I have the original 80 bios, and i'm just wanting to get the better load temps that the 82 offers.
Vanilla btw.
Thanks
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Re:New Video: EVGA GTX480SC BIOS Flash Tutorial
Thursday, May 06, 2010 0:35 PM
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You're trying to go from a Vanilla to an SC, and that's not what his method was intended to do, and I believe that will also definitely void your warranty because EVGA considers it a hardware modification.
That being said, if you still want to do it, it's called a force flash, and you can't use the NVTurboFlash program like in the video, you have to use the standard NVFlash.
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Re:New Video: EVGA GTX480SC BIOS Flash Tutorial
Thursday, May 06, 2010 1:56 AM
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I keep getting failed to read BIOS on both the thumb drive method, and when i burn it to a CD. Any ideas?
Using SirJames's Tutorial verbatim, and his bios's and utilities. I have the original 80 bios, and i'm just wanting to get the better load temps that the 82 offers.
Vanilla btw.
Thanks
you must no be following the guide right make sure you rename the bios to bios.rom and i dont think CD work with NVFlash jdookie
You're trying to go from a Vanilla to an SC, and that's not what his method was intended to do, and I believe that will also definitely void your warranty because EVGA considers it a hardware modification.
That being said, if you still want to do it, it's called a force flash, and you can't use the NVTurboFlash program like in the video, you have to use the standard NVFlash.
no it wont void the warranty as long as he flashing it back for RMA and step-up is no different than some one ocing it will tools, and if he wanted to forceflash he will need to download NVTubroForceFlash that i made to do so, but it is not needed for going from a Vanilla to an SC.
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Re:New Video: EVGA GTX480SC BIOS Flash Tutorial
Thursday, May 06, 2010 2:00 AM
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Yeah i would use the regular Vanilla Bios, but nobody has the new Vanilla bios that lowers load temps via the fan profile.
With that said, Jacob did mention that as long as you flash it back when u go to RMA, your good.
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Re:New Video: EVGA GTX480SC BIOS Flash Tutorial
Thursday, May 06, 2010 3:43 AM
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In order for the card to be covered under warranty, it needs to come back to EVGA in the original condition. If any BIOS's are flashed, it needs to be flashed back to the original before replacement.
So what about mine? I have an SC which came with the .80 BIOS, and I was provided the .82 BIOS by EVGA. Do I need to put it back to a Vanilla BIOS before I send it in for RMA?? Wouldn't an SC coming in with a Vanilla BIOS raise more flags than an SC coming in with a SC BIOS?
Again, not trying to start a debate. I'm really asking this because I need clarification in case this ever happens to me.
If your card had the incorrect BIOS, then no you do not need to put it back.
How exactly do you tell if you have the "wrong" bios?
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Re:New Video: EVGA GTX480SC BIOS Flash Tutorial
Thursday, May 06, 2010 3:49 AM
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How exactly do you tell if you have the "wrong" bios?
Easy, just use GPU-Z to see which BIOS version your cards have, and then match that up to what it's "supposed" to have. In other words, if you have an SC, you should have one of these two BIOS versions: 70.00.1A.00.82 or 70.00.21.00.82 If you have any other version than those two, then it's the wrong BIOS. Check out the thread that loveordie put up, and he has all the BIOS builds listed for each card. http://forums.evga.com/tm.aspx?m=347659 I bought two SC's, and one of them came with a Vanilla BIOS, so that was definitely the wrong one.
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