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2021/03/02 00:12:48 (permalink)
I know this sounds stupid but my RTX 3090 FTW3 Ultra is acting weird.
I haven't run any PR benchmarks for 1 month or so but yesterday I wanted to give it a shot because I installed a waterblock to the card.
Tested with the same MSI AB profile the score dropped from 14130 (65,65 FPS) to 13524 (62,61 FPS). The clock speeds look good to me, I'm using a custom curve and the clocks are between 2040 to 2055 from start to finish.
What could cause this? I'm kinda losing my patience with this card (load ballancing and such)...
 
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post edited by elbramso - 2021/03/02 00:59:17

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    Re: My PR Score dropped from 14k to 13,5k after installing a waterblock!?! 2021/03/02 03:34:35 (permalink)
    Ok, I found some older PR autosave files using my msi ab profile.
    The curves on the detail page look exactly the same  from start to finish. Everything looks the same but the fps

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    Re: My PR Score dropped from 14k to 13,5k after installing a waterblock!?! 2021/03/02 04:13:56 (permalink)
    Running the same Nvidia driver as before?

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    Re: My PR Score dropped from 14k to 13,5k after installing a waterblock!?! 2021/03/02 04:37:40 (permalink)
    A lot can change in a month.
    Can you provide a link to the scores?
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    Re: My PR Score dropped from 14k to 13,5k after installing a waterblock!?! 2021/03/02 05:17:47 (permalink)
    I'm not quite sure about the driver I used back than but I'll try to 460.89 or so.
    If this fails, I'll try to provide the 1 month old scores to compare them.
     

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    Re: My PR Score dropped from 14k to 13,5k after installing a waterblock!?! 2021/03/02 05:42:10 (permalink)
    That could literally be any number of things TBH.  I've scored 15.4k before on one day, haven't done it since, no matter what I try to recreate those results.
     
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    Re: My PR Score dropped from 14k to 13,5k after installing a waterblock!?! 2021/03/02 07:06:32 (permalink)
    older driver -> didn't help
    BIOS reset to default -> didn't help
    newer ftw3 bios -> didn't help
     
    I really wouldn't bother if the score wasn't like at least 500 pts lower across the board. It's like I said, clock speeds look good but fps is 5 lower at average.
     
    Maybe I'll install a fresh copy of Windows to see if there is any difference

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    Re: My PR Score dropped from 14k to 13,5k after installing a waterblock!?! 2021/03/02 07:30:31 (permalink)
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    older driver -> didn't help
    BIOS reset to default -> didn't help
    newer ftw3 bios -> didn't help
     
    I really wouldn't bother if the score wasn't like at least 500 pts lower across the board. It's like I said, clock speeds look good but fps is 5 lower at average.
     
    Maybe I'll install a fresh copy of Windows to see if there is any difference


    That might help if there was a windows update that did something to lower the score. Also, background apps can have a fairly large impact - have you tried a clean boot of windows to rule out that possibility? And are you closing out PX1 before you run the benchmark (it's a known points leech), also if you're running AB instead of PX1 are you disabling the overlay (which can also reduce the score)?

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    Re: My PR Score dropped from 14k to 13,5k after installing a waterblock!?! 2021/03/02 07:35:20 (permalink)
    Scores can vary as much as 3% from run to run. Occasionally the score can fall outside of the 3% range. You only lost 3 fps not 5.

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    Re: My PR Score dropped from 14k to 13,5k after installing a waterblock!?! 2021/03/02 08:47:48 (permalink)
    But in this case the 3% variance applies to the 13524 score because I'm getting 13,1k most of the time now whereas I constantly hit 14k one month ago. My best score was 14,5k but with the xc3 BIOS.

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    Re: My PR Score dropped from 14k to 13,5k after installing a waterblock!?! 2021/03/02 08:53:06 (permalink)
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    But in this case the 3% variance applies to the 13524 score because I'm getting 13,1k most of the time now whereas I constantly hit 14k one month ago. My best score was 14,5k but with the xc3 BIOS.



    Mine generally sits around 13,500 to 13,900 ....I can't really be bothered since I only care about real gaming experience, and it works just fine for that....
     
    I probably have too many background tasks going as well....hope you get this sorted, tho
     
     
    Edit: Just ran this one....
     
    https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/59033515
     
    so, similar to you I think
     
     My memory is at 3600 at the moment, for some reason...I'll have to look at that.
     
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    Re: My PR Score dropped from 14k to 13,5k after installing a waterblock!?! 2021/03/02 10:26:25 (permalink)
    Here is a quick run: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/59036471
    Clean boot didn't help :((

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    Re: My PR Score dropped from 14k to 13,5k after installing a waterblock!?! 2021/03/02 11:08:10 (permalink)
    I have been working on trying to beat my PR score and have a process I follow.
    After booting I just max power limit and I know with my present setup my card will hit about 14100
    I recently after first daily boot have been getting only 13400-13550 So I know I have to DDU drivers, reinstall, recheck NVPanel tweaks. and I am back to 14100.
     
     
     

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    Re: My PR Score dropped from 14k to 13,5k after installing a waterblock!?! 2021/03/02 12:05:34 (permalink)
    Which driver do you use? What do you mean with "recheck NVPanel tweaks"?

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    Re: My PR Score dropped from 14k to 13,5k after installing a waterblock!?! 2021/03/02 20:45:55 (permalink)
    Scoring on mine hasnt changed in the last 3 months and iv gotten all the windows and nvidia updates as they have come out.
    My 3090 XC3 still hits 14.8K with gaming overclock and 15K with benchmark overclock on EK WB.
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    Re: My PR Score dropped from 14k to 13,5k after installing a waterblock!?! 2021/03/03 00:35:14 (permalink)
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    Scoring on mine hasnt changed in the last 3 months and iv gotten all the windows and nvidia updates as they have come out.
    My 3090 XC3 still hits 14.8K with gaming overclock and 15K with benchmark overclock on EK WB.





    Well then I guess my system is slowly dieing :((

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    Re: My PR Score dropped from 14k to 13,5k after installing a waterblock!?! 2021/03/03 06:36:17 (permalink)
    Guys! I found the reason why the card actually does what it does.
    For some reason the card only runs on pcie16 x4 native mode (MB: ASUS ROG STRIX Z370 Gaming F). So my pcie slot is either damaged or the card is (doupt it).
    I'll try to reset my BIOS but if this doesn't help I think the slot is damaged.

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    Re: My PR Score dropped from 14k to 13,5k after installing a waterblock!?! 2021/03/03 06:44:13 (permalink)
    Was it running at X16 before you put the water block on?

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    Re: My PR Score dropped from 14k to 13,5k after installing a waterblock!?! 2021/03/03 06:46:09 (permalink)
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    Guys! I found the reason why the card actually does what it does.
    For some reason the card only runs on pcie16 x4 native mode (MB: ASUS ROG STRIX Z370 Gaming F). So my pcie slot is either damaged or the card is (doupt it).
    I'll try to reset my BIOS but if this doesn't help I think the slot is damaged.




    well, that's a kick....hoping you get that sorted too...
     

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    Re: My PR Score dropped from 14k to 13,5k after installing a waterblock!?! 2021/03/03 06:49:22 (permalink)
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    Was it running at X16 before you put the water block on?

    Yes, 100%! OFC I might have damaged the slot myself, I don't blame EVGA or the card before I have further prove ;)

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    Re: My PR Score dropped from 14k to 13,5k after installing a waterblock!?! 2021/03/03 07:21:50 (permalink)
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    Was it running at X16 before you put the water block on?

    Yes, 100%! OFC I might have damaged the slot myself, I don't blame EVGA or the card before I have further prove ;)


    I've seen posts of people finding out that their water block caused it. Likely messing with something near the PCIE slot of the card - torqued too tight, or the block manufacturer messed up and something is contacting where it shouldn't.

    I'd try without the water block (stock HSF installed), or with a different card to verify that the MB slot works. You might also want to make sure that no debris is in the slot (canned air blowout?), and no gunk is on the PCIE contacts of your card first.
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    Re: My PR Score dropped from 14k to 13,5k after installing a waterblock!?! 2021/03/03 08:00:51 (permalink)
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    Which driver do you use? What do you mean with "recheck NVPanel tweaks"?



    I use 457.71 for PR I seem to get best results with it. You likely have not changed any settings, so moot there.
    and try what arestavo said. It's always nice to have an untouched card with an air cooler to test slots/things.

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    Re: My PR Score dropped from 14k to 13,5k after installing a waterblock!?! 2021/03/04 00:11:04 (permalink)
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    Was it running at X16 before you put the water block on?

    Yes, 100%! OFC I might have damaged the slot myself, I don't blame EVGA or the card before I have further prove ;)


    I've seen posts of people finding out that their water block caused it. Likely messing with something near the PCIE slot of the card - torqued too tight, or the block manufacturer messed up and something is contacting where it shouldn't.

    I'd try without the water block (stock HSF installed), or with a different card to verify that the MB slot works. You might also want to make sure that no debris is in the slot (canned air blowout?), and no gunk is on the PCIE contacts of your card first.



    So there is the chance that my card is actually damaged? I've already cleaned the contacts of the card. I could try to put it into the x8 slot and see if it's still running at x4 but as the system is under water that requires some preparation.

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    Re: My PR Score dropped from 14k to 13,5k after installing a waterblock!?! 2021/03/04 01:18:44 (permalink)
    Port Royal is CPU dependant.  Is your CPU still operating at the same speed and the same power limits?  Any changes to the BIOS or CPU cooling?

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    Re: My PR Score dropped from 14k to 13,5k after installing a waterblock!?! 2021/03/04 05:10:12 (permalink)
    When I build the current  system just windows installed and drivers the 30900 FTW3 ultra ran at 14600. Over the last 4 month with all the different installs and additions things dropped to 13900 without OC. Completely normal.
     
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    Re: My PR Score dropped from 14k to 13,5k after installing a waterblock!?! 2021/03/04 07:32:37 (permalink)
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    So there is the chance that my card is actually damaged? I've already cleaned the contacts of the card. I could try to put it into the x8 slot and see if it's still running at x4 but as the system is under water that requires some preparation.


    There's a possibility, but testing out in another slot or with the stock HSF installed will help narrow that down.

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    Re: My PR Score dropped from 14k to 13,5k after installing a waterblock!?! 2021/03/04 07:39:11 (permalink)
     
     
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    Re: My PR Score dropped from 14k to 13,5k after installing a waterblock!?! 2021/03/05 01:53:42 (permalink)
    I removed the waterblock yesterday. From what I could see everything looked normal to me. I tried to install the card to a different pcie slot, in my case a x8 slot. Unfortunately the card still gets noticed as x4 native mode...
    From what I've read this could mean:
     - damaged card
     - damaged mainboard
     - damaged cpu
     
    I really don't think I messed it up during the waterblock installation because I'm always super scared of damaging hardware. The card has the load ballancing issue (like many other), so there is a chance the card forked (different word, sounds similar) up my mainboard or cpu or both of them.
    I'll receive a different mainboard on monday and test it with the card. If this doesn't work it could still be the cpu.
     
    At the end of the day I hope the card is ok but if not I'll RMA it for sure.
     
     
     

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    Re: My PR Score dropped from 14k to 13,5k after installing a waterblock!?! 2021/03/05 07:44:09 (permalink)
    Electrostatic damage is unlikely but it happens. Some have damaged their card when trying to put on the new backplate with the GPU bracket in place.
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    Re: My PR Score dropped from 14k to 13,5k after installing a waterblock!?! 2021/03/06 18:23:59 (permalink)
    Yikes, curious to hear If the new mb with recognize it properly. How come you suspect a damaged cpu? what changed there?

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