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2020/09/24 22:17:56 (permalink)
I am trying to figure out what is the "metal backplate"?
 
Seems to be the only difference between: 10G-P5-3881-KR  & 10G-P5-3883-KR
 
I searched the forums and looked at the pictures posted for both 3080 XC3 cards and I can't figure it out.  Trying to figure out what exactly is worth $50.
 
Thanks in advance!
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    Re: Metal Backplate? 2020/09/25 04:50:09 (permalink)
    It’s exactly what it sounds like. Instead of an exposed PCB there is a metal backplate that looks a bit nicer, helps stiffen the card, and may provide a small amount of additional heat distribution.

    This is a picture of the backplate.
     

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    Re: Metal Backplate? 2020/09/25 04:57:43 (permalink)
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    I am trying to figure out what is the "metal backplate"?
     
    Seems to be the only difference between: 10G-P5-3881-KR  & 10G-P5-3883-KR
     
    I searched the forums and looked at the pictures posted for both 3080 XC3 cards and I can't figure it out.  Trying to figure out what exactly is worth $50.
     
    Thanks in advance!


    Avoid the Black or whatever has no backplate. That's NOT good for this hot generation. The 3090 especially has memory modules on the back of the PCB. No backplate means no cooling on those chips. Great way to let them overheat and fry your $1500 card.
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    Re: Metal Backplate? 2020/09/25 07:02:34 (permalink)
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    KamioD
    I am trying to figure out what is the "metal backplate"?
     
    Seems to be the only difference between: 10G-P5-3881-KR  & 10G-P5-3883-KR
     
    I searched the forums and looked at the pictures posted for both 3080 XC3 cards and I can't figure it out.  Trying to figure out what exactly is worth $50.
     
    Thanks in advance!


    Avoid the Black or whatever has no backplate. That's NOT good for this hot generation. The 3090 especially has memory modules on the back of the PCB. No backplate means no cooling on those chips. Great way to let them overheat and fry your $1500 card.
     

    in most cases, the back plate acts as an insulator, and the back of the card will run hotter with the back plate than without it.
     
    it's more for aesthetics than anything else.
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    Re: Metal Backplate? 2020/09/25 07:28:28 (permalink)
    Aurummorituri
     
    Avoid the Black or whatever has no backplate. That's NOT good for this hot generation. The 3090 especially has memory modules on the back of the PCB. No backplate means no cooling on those chips. Great way to let them overheat and fry your $1500 card.




    gsrcrxsi
     
    in most cases, the back plate acts as an insulator, and the back of the card will run hotter with the back plate than without it.
     
    it's more for aesthetics than anything else.




    Little old, but I was just watching this video last night on whether backplates cool your card or not.
     


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    Re: Metal Backplate? 2020/09/25 07:51:43 (permalink)
    Helps displace heat
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    Re: Metal Backplate? 2020/09/25 12:37:30 (permalink)
    Thank you all for the replies.  Is the back plate thing the honey comb metal pattern (Where the EVGA logo is at?)  Or does it include the "GEFORCE" part?
    Or is all that metal gone and just bare PCB? 
     
    If it's bare PCB?  Then when you go to pull the card out what do you grab it by?  Will touching the PCB injure the card?
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    Re: Metal Backplate? 2020/09/25 12:40:39 (permalink)
    I would interpret the "metal backplate" as being the whole back of the card as picture above, including the GEFORCE part.
     
    You can probably grab it by the cooler or the edges of the PCB. Probably won't kill it if you touch the PCB either though as long as you're not touching it with a hammer.
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    Re: Metal Backplate? 2020/09/25 12:47:27 (permalink)
    It can also help prevent GPU sag
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    Re: Metal Backplate? 2020/09/25 12:53:49 (permalink)
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    Thank you all for the replies.  Is the back plate thing the honey comb metal pattern (Where the EVGA logo is at?)  Or does it include the "GEFORCE" part?
    Or is all that metal gone and just bare PCB? 
     
    If it's bare PCB?  Then when you go to pull the card out what do you grab it by?  Will touching the PCB injure the card?




     
    It is the whole backplate, GEForce and honeycomb all included.  
     
    With bare PCB, touching it will not hurt the PCB. You won't be removing the card when it is powered on anyway, and just make sure your hands are not wet when you grab the card.
     
    If you ever need to clean the PCB, because of finger prints or anything, you can use isopropyl alcohol to clean everything off.

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    Re: Metal Backplate? 2020/09/25 13:05:26 (permalink)
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    It can also help prevent GPU sag




    That was my next question.  How bad will it sag without it?  I don't want to stress/crack my motherboard or the PCI-E slot.  I already had an unfortunate incident where I broke the clips on the PCI-E slot on my motherboard.
     
    I am relatively new to pc building, so I've made a couple of mistakes so far.
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    Re: Metal Backplate? 2020/09/26 08:42:22 (permalink)
    your exactly right, 81 is no plate, 83 and up is backplate
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    Re: Metal Backplate? 2020/09/26 09:04:27 (permalink)
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    It can also help prevent GPU sag




    That was my next question.  How bad will it sag without it?  I don't want to stress/crack my motherboard or the PCI-E slot.  I already had an unfortunate incident where I broke the clips on the PCI-E slot on my motherboard.
     
    I am relatively new to pc building, so I've made a couple of mistakes so far.


    The backplate will help but I would still recommend you get a GPU brace.  There's freestanding ones and other ones that are almost like little car jacks.
     
    I didn't think they were necessary for my last video card (XC3 2060), but that video card weighed 500 grams.  The 3080's are heavy as hell (The XC3 is 3.5 pounds I think).
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    Re: Metal Backplate? 2020/09/27 00:48:03 (permalink)
    Is there an image of the black version without the backplate?  I like the look of the backplate but if I cannot find a unit with it, I may have to go without.

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    Re: Metal Backplate? 2020/09/27 00:52:09 (permalink)
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    Is there an image of the black version without the backplate?  I like the look of the backplate but if I cannot find a unit with it, I may have to go without.


    It's just the bare pcb.. Worst case is you can typically install an aftermarket one, but it likely won't benefit from the cooling affect of the evga ones.
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    Re: Metal Backplate? 2020/09/27 02:37:04 (permalink)
    Thanks. I'd probably avoid an aftermarket backplate but I would worry about sag, no?

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    Re: Metal Backplate? 2020/09/27 02:48:03 (permalink)
    It helps dissipate some heat as the backplate will hit some type of airflow exiting the rear of the case as well as add some stability.
     
    As far as the 3rd party RGB backplates, they might make thermals worse dependent on the design.  I've seen some closed backplates where they have no venting going on which I prefer the mfgers design.  Some of the PCBs have cutouts now to allow airflow through so you'll want to go with the mfgers design and not a closed out 3rd party for aesthetics.
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    Re: Metal Backplate? 2020/09/27 02:58:24 (permalink)
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    Is there an image of the black version without the backplate?  I like the look of the backplate but if I cannot find a unit with it, I may have to go without.


    It's just the bare pcb.. Worst case is you can typically install an aftermarket one, but it likely won't benefit from the cooling affect of the evga ones.



    Also if you found an aftermarket one you would probably be paying far more then the added cost of getting the EVGA model with it in the first place. Price difference is about $20 from retail on EVGA so I can't really think of a reason not to just go metal from the start.

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    Re: Metal Backplate? 2020/09/27 12:40:19 (permalink)
    HoggleAlso if you found an aftermarket one you would probably be paying far more then the added cost of getting the EVGA model with it in the first place. Price difference is about $20 from retail on EVGA so I can't really think of a reason not to just go metal from the start.

     
    If I don't water cool, then going metal is my preference. This is my first build, so I am trying not to make mistakes.  Thanks for the advice.
     

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    Re: Metal Backplate? 2020/09/28 12:04:57 (permalink)
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    The backplate will help but I would still recommend you get a GPU brace.  There's freestanding ones and other ones that are almost like little car jacks.
     
    I didn't think they were necessary for my last video card (XC3 2060), but that video card weighed 500 grams.  The 3080's are heavy as hell (The XC3 is 3.5 pounds I think).



    Do you happen to have a link to a GPU brace?  I know you can't put an acutal "link" in the forums yet), so can you type it with a " " somewhere in it?
    Anyone have a link to a GPU brace that will work?
    Thanks!
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    Re: Metal Backplate? 2020/09/28 12:20:32 (permalink)
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    Do you happen to have a link to a GPU brace? 
    Anyone have a link to a GPU brace that will work?
    Thanks!

     
    https://forums.evga.com/FindPost/3086719
     
    RGB is nice , but the price for a bracket is a tad much ... I saw a few cheaper alternatives .
     
    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B076GYL25H/?coliid=I7002UETYZX3&colid=2YQ7QMX62PX8&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it
     
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    Re: Metal Backplate? 2020/09/28 12:36:51 (permalink)
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    http s://forums.evga.com/FindPost/3086719
     
    RGB is nice , but the price for a bracket is a tad much ... I saw a few cheaper alternatives .
     
    http s://www.amazon.com/dp/B076GYL25H/?coliid=I7002UETYZX3&colid=2YQ7QMX62PX8&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it
     
    or
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    Thank you for those links.  The first link (EVGA forums), says the bracket is included.  I don't think that bracket will fit in my case.  Also, I got my radiator and fans for watercooled CPU in the front.
    I like the idea of the second link, but noticed it attaches at bottom with magnet.  I think my case might be aluminium, so magnet might not work.  I'll have to research when I get home.
     
    Have you bought and used the product in second link?  Does it work well?
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    Re: Metal Backplate? 2020/10/02 09:53:43 (permalink)
    The 3881 part number does not include a backplate.


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    Re: Metal Backplate? 2020/10/03 18:45:54 (permalink)
    This is pretty crazy that 3090 without a backplate exists and EVGA charges 50 bucks for it. I don't think any other major AIB does that...

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    Re: Metal Backplate? 2020/10/03 18:55:24 (permalink)
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    This is pretty crazy that 3090 without a backplate exists and EVGA charges 50 bucks for it. I don't think any other major AIB does that...


    Some people would prefer to save the $50 and put their own backplate on, especially with the controversy over the color scheme this generation. Many waterblock manufacturers sell backplates for $50 so it makes sense in some cases.
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    Re: Metal Backplate? 2020/10/03 19:01:18 (permalink)
    Pretty sad that the base $699 EVGA 3080 doesn't even come with a backplate..

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    Re: Metal Backplate? 2020/10/03 19:13:55 (permalink)
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    This is pretty crazy that 3090 without a backplate exists and EVGA charges 50 bucks for it. I don't think any other major AIB does that...


    Some people would prefer to save the $50 and put their own backplate on, especially with the controversy over the color scheme this generation. Many waterblock manufacturers sell backplates for $50 so it makes sense in some cases.


    Here is my point. There are bunch of other good $1500 cards with a backplate. Xc ultra should cost 1500 and xc black should not exist considering such great cards as TUF exist. Custom backplates from water cooling companies are niche products with way lower much lower production volume therefore they cost more to make, especially something like EK nickel plated backplates which take way more machining time as they are not just flat on the PCB side. 

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    Re: Metal Backplate? 2020/10/03 19:16:04 (permalink)
    Completely agree. It's cheap on EVGA's part to do that.

    However, their customer service is above all others. You can call and get a human really quickly. Trying to do that with Asus is an exercise in patience, lol.

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    Re: Metal Backplate? 2020/10/03 19:29:24 (permalink)
    Ohh yeah that's true! Asus tech support guys have an IQ of hotdog water. Also it is not like I really care about stock backplates, I am not running my cards on air anyways.

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    Re: Metal Backplate? 2020/10/03 19:29:25 (permalink)
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    This is pretty crazy that 3090 without a backplate exists and EVGA charges 50 bucks for it. I don't think any other major AIB does that...


    Some people would prefer to save the $50 and put their own backplate on, especially with the controversy over the color scheme this generation. Many waterblock manufacturers sell backplates for $50 so it makes sense in some cases.


    Here is my point. There are bunch of other good $1500 cards with a backplate. Xc ultra should cost 1500 and xc black should not exist considering such great cards as TUF exist. Custom backplates from water cooling companies are niche products with way lower much lower production volume therefore they cost more to make, especially something like EK nickel plated backplates which take way more machining time as they are not just flat on the PCB side. 


    Fair enough, it does seem like more of an excuse to push people to the next tier up. I would happily take the opportunity to save an extra $50 for my niche use case, but even the plastic MSI backplates are better than no backplate barring any weird thermal implications.
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