After lengthy written comm with Vijay and realizing that the situation in the FF will continue, there is nothing more that I can do to try and open his mind about that subject.  The FF situation is just a portion of the overall problem with FAH management, but all part of the same broken structure.  We are literally "repeating the past" with Vijay and his group.  These are the same issues that have run for years including donor communications problems and policy that is not well implemented. 
 
So for me, there is nothing more to do here.  I've given it multiple tries, provided in detail what I think Vijay should do and remained open to still trying to help.  But you can't help someone who's own style prevents them from shifting gears enough to bring about change that in the eyes of so many (enthusiast type) Folders is needed.  There is nothing more for me to add to this thread, so God help me, I'm moving on and continuing to embrace the areas of DC that I find more enjoyable to do. 

well you are of course correct.
time to move on.
 
I do so hate being beaten by censorship and the evils of bureaucracy...
cold sweats and clips from Brazil flash across my memory.
 
and yes, this is where it starts, and no, it really takes no time at all to get that bad if you tolerate it.
 
But here is to the hope that we won't need to resort to the plumbers. ;)

How's the user worker count looking now days with FaH, still dropping?

cokeman54

TheWolf
How's the user worker count looking now days with FaH, still dropping?

168,936 and slower fall than earlier. Lately been up and down, now down from yesterday.

Coming up on 50th day since this thread was posted, I guess we will see if there is a bigger drop off in the next few weeks.

Most of our heavy hitters with multiple machines are either offline or crunching.  At the moment there is no interest in us even trying to defend our crown

This topic really highlighted some of the more dis-likable people in the Folding Community directly (i.e. FAH's loyal subjects).  It seems when it comes to Core_17, Beta Units, or BigAdv, that 7im guy is a real smug bastard.  This project started off with so many good intentions and a Internet community that flocked to its support and to see where it is today it's disheartening to say the least.  Can't have a civil conversation with some of the ass kissers whose only real reply is: "Shut up, we're trying to cure cancer your opinion, problems, and points aren't the real issue!".  Not in those words.
 
If things don't change from Nvidia and FAH then I'm most likely going to cut my systems in half by Spring and perhaps end it this year.  This reminded me why every 2-3 years I've had to take a break because the drama just gets out of control.

yeah, dropping fast now. 164 k
 
try clicking on the START FOLDING icon on the home page.
It will launch the download instruction box with; "Add your computer's power to over 327,000 others that are helping us find cures..."
 
So down very close to 50% from when the new web page launched.
 
But, its not because how they treat donors...;)
 

cokeman54

mdk7777777
yeah, dropping fast now. 164 k
 
try clicking on the START FOLDING icon on the home page.
It will launch the download instruction box with; "Add your computer's power to over 327,000 others that are helping us find cures..."
 
So down very close to 50% from when the new web page launched.
 
But, its not because how they treat donors...;)
 

Looks like PG needs to call in Jon Taffer to do a DONOR RESCUE. “I don't embrace excuses. I embrace SOLUTIONS”

cokeman54 lol they need more then that.Only reason I am still folding is I set a dead line for VJ to get off his as,s and do something like that will happen.3 more months well more like 2 then my computers will be like my #2 comp. OFF.the ankle biters will go to where all old comp. gear is in my comp. room into the closet . That is if some one dont give me what I want for them on flebay.
Been putting my cash into engines and car parts.Lol I mite even sell off a computer or 2 there is 1 of me , I do not need 3 computers and 2 servers and a junky laptop.
Its time my 1961 Ranchero gets some lovin .
 
Kerry

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Viper97
Just repurpose the anklebiters to WCG and BOINC... it's all good and it does what FAH won't do.  Thank you.

They cost to much to run .I can run 3 I7's that is 4 cores less but way faster and 6 gpu's for less then half what the ankle biters cost.Before ankle biters power bill was $70 a month now with them its $220
On top of I will only run a computer to run what it was built to run. Boinc Manager is to buggy for my gaming comp.likes to restart on its own not good when in a raid and have FPS drop to 2 . The cruncher is crunching and will be for as far as I can see.
At this point I got to start getting stuff done that the cash went to folding or crunching.In other words there both at the bottom of the cash barrel.

kerryd

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Viper97
Just repurpose the anklebiters to WCG and BOINC... it's all good and it does what FAH won't do.  Thank you.

They cost to much to run .I can run 3 I7's that is 4 cores less but way faster and 6 gpu's for less then half what the ankle biters cost.Before ankle biters power bill was $70 a month now with them its $220
On top of I will only run a computer to run what it was built to run. Boinc Manager is to buggy for my gaming comp.likes to restart on its own not good when in a raid and have FPS drop to 2 . The cruncher is crunching and will be for as far as I can see.
At this point I got to start getting stuff done that the cash went to folding or crunching.In other words there both at the bottom of the cash barrel.

Folding or Crunching should always be the last concern and not the primary one monetarily.  I have no problem with BOINC manager on my WIN 7 machine but did with the 4P because it was written for 32 bit and not 64 bit... the new BOINC should address those issues and I'll be testing that this weekend.
 
Either way you volunteer your efforts as the dollars allow.  We don't need X amount a day... we just need many trying to donate a day.  What you do is greatly appreciated regardless of the points.  It's the effort in my mind that counts most.
 
 

Keep this in mind:
 

"VijayPande"PS The ATI numbers are being under-reported due to a change in the stats system some time ago. We've been working on that issue. You should expect to see a big bump there soon when the system gets updated.

 
I'm not sure exactly how many are not being reported, but as recently as early November there were around 5000 active AMD cards, while now the stats only show about 300 (I realize some people may have moved those to mining, but that large a drop seemed to be more than just a shift to mining).  I also don't know if the current .3 TFLOPs/AMD GPU is low compared to what all the unreported ones are contributing; for comparison, Nvidia's sitting at around .7 TFLOPs/GPU.

Donors come and donors go.  Not sure everyone has the stamina for the long haul.  Would be good to get the accurate numbers though.  I have been going hard here lately, but will decline in the summer.  Not sure I can handle my rig producing so much heat.  Maybe some of this is the fad effect of the fickle population that has now moved to something else.  Just started so my knowledge base and understanding are much lower than I might like.  I am not concerned about others, as all I can do is what I can to help.

That's also the reason I've always been hesitant to invest much into hardware just for Folding.  The various requirements, technology and clients keep changing, resulting in unpredictable points variability.  Therefore I fold with my modest CPU or GPU In my everyday PC and try to roll with the inevitable rollercoaster project, trying not to be too envious of the whooshing noise of the power-folders whizzing by.

 
 A large portion of the people that were / are folding bigadv are people that have been doing it for years, many of us since the very early days of FAH it is not a fad to us. I still believe it is the best protein folding program and has the best chances of helping future generations of humanity if it can stay afloat and keep enough donors to do the work in a timely manner.
 
 I always wondered about the usefulness of the bigadv program when taking other things into consideration, VJ has always said that the bigadv work is important and the points were/are correct, the problem is they needed to stay on the leading edge of technology to be of that value. PG did a horrible job of managing the program and letting donors know what was needed and in reality there was not enough of the type of equipment needed being built and run to do any real good. The bigadv work is not ending in a year it is just going to supercomputers where it can be run on the type of equipment needed to do the work in a timely manner.
 
 The program in itself created allot of problems in the donor world, it created jealousy from within the donor population many would not accept that the points value were valid and wanted them changed which created  turmoil in the folding community this could have been avoided with proper management.
 
Unfortunately this scenario can repeat itself over and over again if things are not run better n the future, there will most likely be another big juicy carrot which will entice donors to invest in the latest and greatest equipment and PG will most likely give big rewards for building said equipment, we all know the rewards will have to justify the cost involved to build and operate the equipment and of course there will be the turmoil of the points (Competitive Human Nature) that goes along with it.
 
Without proper management (clear road maps and guidelines) of programs like bigadv and the QRB there is always going to be donor unrest, then add the poor management and donor treatment of donors at the Folding Forum and you are always going to have problems both with getting and retaining donors. I can only imagine how big FAH could be if these issues would have been addressed in th past, this is not the first time and many of the older donors are growing tired of the issues created by the management / mismanagement of the program and donor communications.
 
Anyway I am not currently folding, all of my gear is running boinc projects at this time and it does not have anything to do with the ending of bigadv, I do support Vj's decision even though I do not necessarily agree with it, It is his program and he should know what is best for it.
 
Hopefully it will not happen again but I have not seen anything yet that has convinced me otherwise. I still see rude comments being made to donors on the Folding Forum by other long term members and nothing being done about it, thus being supported by Folding Forum staff. I have not seen any kind of meaningful attempt to fix PR problems in fact all I have seen is an attempt to minimize the results of recent events and no acknowledgement of any sort, that the treatment of donors is wrong in any way. (It reminds me of an Ostridge or the three Monkeys)
 
These kind of things are very disappointing to me, from a long term supporter of the program point of view and are leading me to believe nothing is going to change and that they do not deserve my donation. I will continue to donate and most likely will donate to both from time to time, but for the time being it is boinc but I will be redirecting some back to FAH from time to time.

mdk7777777 is correct in his assessment, and there has been no public announcement of that, at least not that I am aware of. I have posted it a couple of times in the Folding Forum but it has not been brought up by anyone else that I know of.
I do not have permission to disclose the source, I can ask if they mind me disclosing them if it is important, but I will not do so without there permission.