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So the answer is probably no unless you're on ln2, but its clearly a card you buy if you love "bling". I was wondering though, what overclocks on air are you guys getting? And how are the temps? 2025 is guaranteed out of the box with GPUBoost, or when you manually overclock? What clocks have you guys gotten benchmark stable on air? Thanks!
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Re: Is the Kingpin 1080 TI worth the money?
2017/11/16 16:56:26
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It's an out of the box base clock at not much more than the SC/SC2/FTW3. The guarantee is the manual overclock, yes. Both the SC and the SC2 I have right now can definitely get to that speed, but they've only been binned for the advertised base rate, while the K|NGP|N has been binned for that 2025 overclock. And I'm pretty sure that the K|NGP|N, with its full copper heatsink and beefy VRMs (10+3 phases compared to the 10+2 on the FTW3) will be able to do it quieter and at a lower temperature. It also has 3 BIOSes.
So it's a bit more than bling. Whether or not it's worth it depends on your individual requirements. It's clearly more worth it if you keep air or want/need a single slot card, because copper is nearly twice as efficient at cooling than aluminium. But is it worth $200 more if you're just going to rip off that fancy cooler and put it under water? Probably not.
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Re: Is the Kingpin 1080 TI worth the money?
2017/11/16 17:33:42
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It's worth it if... #1 You want evga's best. #2 You want top quality hardware. #3 Value higher power targets. Higher power targets allow the card to maintain its clock when in power target limited situations. Kingpin allows up to 150% vs FTW3 127%. #4 Want the best air cooler evga can provide. #5 Value all the extras that come with the kingpin card... * Out of the box ready for any type of overclocking. From everyday gaming and compute to liquid nitrogen competition benchmarking. * Unlimited onboard DC-DC regulator, using only the state of art components with digital control. * Single slot display outputs layout. * Watercooling options with full-cover blocks. * Improvements for VRAM memory overclocking. * Advanced controls and tuning knobs for overclockers and hardcore enthusiasts. * NEW iCX cooler technology with exclusive KPE theme. * True dual-slot fansink for 3/4-way SLI options. * Clean 2x8 pin power plug connectors located at the bottom right corner of the card help to minimize chassis cable clutter. * Gold-plated copper core edge metallization on a 12-layer PCBA for improved thermal and electrical performance. * Improved iCX fan-sink design with stacked thermal pipes, triple fan frame, 11 thermal sensors, and pure copper GPU fin section. * 4th-generation adjustable digital VRM solution for all main voltages. * User upgradeable ECU(Embedded Controller Unit) with firmware flexibility for future upgradability. * Solid copper heatspreader with six soldered heatpipes. * Full copper GPU fin section to increase thermal capacity during peak power loads. * Copper-plated aluminum fin section above VRM area with thermal contact to the baseplate to ensure low VRM temperatures. * Gold-plated solid-copper PCB edge boundary for additional internal layer thermal dissipation. * Triple iCX fan array with multi-zone thermal sensing for high efficiency at low noise. * Clear airway on I/O bracket with single-slot display ports location (three mini-DisplayPort 1.4, 1 × HDMI 2.0 and Dual-Link DVI-I) Info on temps can be seen here... https://forums.evga.com/1080-Ti-Kingpin-is-awesome-m2712673.aspx #44 on 3dmark single card HOF... https://www.3dmark.com/ha...eset/version+1.0/1+gpu
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Re: Is the Kingpin 1080 TI worth the money?
2017/11/16 19:24:46
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It's worth it if...
#1 You want evga's best.
#2 You want top quality hardware.
#3 Value higher power targets. Higher power targets allow the card to maintain its clock when in power target limited situations. Kingpin allows up to 150% vs FTW3 127%.
#4 Want the best air cooler evga can provide.
#5 Value all the extras that come with the kingpin card...
* Out of the box ready for any type of overclocking. From everyday gaming and compute to liquid nitrogen competition benchmarking.
* Unlimited onboard DC-DC regulator, using only the state of art components with digital control.
* Single slot display outputs layout.
* Watercooling options with full-cover blocks.
* Improvements for VRAM memory overclocking.
* Advanced controls and tuning knobs for overclockers and hardcore enthusiasts.
* NEW iCX cooler technology with exclusive KPE theme.
* True dual-slot fansink for 3/4-way SLI options.
* Clean 2x8 pin power plug connectors located at the bottom right corner of the card help to minimize chassis cable clutter.
* Gold-plated copper core edge metallization on a 12-layer PCBA for improved thermal and electrical performance.
* Improved iCX fan-sink design with stacked thermal pipes, triple fan frame, 11 thermal sensors, and pure copper GPU fin section.
* 4th-generation adjustable digital VRM solution for all main voltages.
* User upgradeable ECU(Embedded Controller Unit) with firmware flexibility for future upgradability.
* Solid copper heatspreader with six soldered heatpipes.
* Full copper GPU fin section to increase thermal capacity during peak power loads.
* Copper-plated aluminum fin section above VRM area with thermal contact to the baseplate to ensure low VRM temperatures.
* Gold-plated solid-copper PCB edge boundary for additional internal layer thermal dissipation.
* Triple iCX fan array with multi-zone thermal sensing for high efficiency at low noise.
* Clear airway on I/O bracket with single-slot display ports location (three mini-DisplayPort 1.4, 1 × HDMI 2.0 and Dual-Link DVI-I)
Info on temps can be seen here... https://forums.evga.com/1080-Ti-Kingpin-is-awesome-m2712673.aspx
#44 on 3dmark single card HOF... https://www.3dmark.com/ha...eset/version+1.0/1+gpu
The cooler, is it different than the FTW3 or the same? If so, whats actually different? Thanks for the in-depth write up. Still on the fence, how long until Volta are you thinking?
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Re: Is the Kingpin 1080 TI worth the money?
2017/11/16 21:07:43
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The cooler, is it different than the FTW3 or the same? If so, whats actually different?
Thanks for the in-depth write up. Still on the fence, how long until Volta are you thinking?
I don't have a FTW3 cooler to directly compare to myself but gamers nexus points out that the KPE is copper plated and-- "The Kingpin model does front some changes in the heatpipe department, though. EVGA is using composite heatpipes – generally the best option between weave, mesh, sintered, and composite – that are in two groups of three. Three 6mm heatpipes and three 8mm heatpipes run through the card, doubling up into stacks of two to increase thermal transfer capabilities in a small area. The GPU die surface area is limited, so more heatpipes doesn’t necessarily help. Here, EVGA’s just stacking them (which relies upon a patent from the heatpipe supplier), and is able to keep all the pipes under the fans as a result. This bypasses issues with other cards we’ve seen lately, like the MSI Armor, by keeping the heatpipes within the shroud + fan area."
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Re: Is the Kingpin 1080 TI worth the money?
2017/11/16 21:27:33
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A good way of looking at it would be was it worth it for John Carmack to upgrade the engine of his Ferrari? It was the fastest car he could get at the time but he still invested to get it to go faster and years later the car was still better then other cars that came onto the market.
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Re: Is the Kingpin 1080 TI worth the money?
2017/11/16 21:55:06
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A good way of looking at it would be was it worth it for John Carmack to upgrade the engine of his Ferrari? It was the fastest car he could get at the time but he still invested to get it to go faster and years later the car was still better then other cars that came onto the market.
I'm not sure people here are dealing with the amount of wealth Carmack has, as a matter of scale and perspective. And, likely within a year the KingPin will be exceeded by the next gen and you can't replace the engine in a GPU. Too me, this is an enthusiast question. If I was looking for bench scores and bragging rights, for sure the KingPin. As, for the other 99% of usage, an AIO style 1080 Ti will be quieter and perform essentially identically. We can't really answer the question for the OP as worth is subjective to him.
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Re: Is the Kingpin 1080 TI worth the money?
2017/11/16 22:33:18
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Alright, one LAST question. Is there a make limit on this? Like the MSI Lightning Z only has 3000 units etc.
just trying to justify the $300 premium over other cards in my country lmao
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Re: Is the Kingpin 1080 TI worth the money?
2017/11/17 00:51:23
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Alright, one LAST question. Is there a make limit on this? Like the MSI Lightning Z only has 3000 units etc.
just trying to justify the $300 premium over other cards in my country lmao
to me if you need to justify it don't get it. Just get the sc2 hybrid,ftw hybrid or ftw3 and maybe lose a precent or two. And put the 300 towards the next upgrade that will be inevitable. But that's my opinion . If you really like the king pin go for it
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Re: Is the Kingpin 1080 TI worth the money?
2017/11/17 12:52:09
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Is there a limited supply though?
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Re: Is the Kingpin 1080 TI worth the money?
2017/11/17 16:15:11
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Is there a limited supply though?
There is always a limited supply. They will stop making the 1080 Ti KingPin. Only Evga can answer when they will stop producing (if they still are) and selling them.
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Re: Is the Kingpin 1080 TI worth the money?
2017/11/17 19:06:48
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I have the card, and it's definitely worth it.
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Re: Is the Kingpin 1080 TI worth the money?
2017/11/18 05:57:34
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It's all opinion. Me? No.
There is no specific set limited supply.
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Re: Is the Kingpin 1080 TI worth the money?
2017/11/18 16:41:49
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for all the kingpin owners:
What is everyones max overclock like in timespy? And what are your (non extreme) time spy scores? Because I noticed sajin despite his relatively average core clock on his kingpin is still annihilating benchmark scores of other cards clocked way beyond his kingpin. So I wonder if this is a thing on the kingpin. In fact Vince and Tin mentioned memory performance optimizations anyways. I'm just trying to collect more evidence on performance numbers and it's not easy since there aren't many results being posted nor reviews of the kingpin... I might join the club after all :P
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Re: Is the Kingpin 1080 TI worth the money?
2017/11/18 16:52:31
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for all the kingpin owners:
What is everyones max overclock like in timespy? And what are your (non extreme) time spy scores? Because I noticed sajin despite his relatively average core clock on his kingpin is still annihilating benchmark scores of other cards clocked way beyond his kingpin. So I wonder if this is a thing on the kingpin. In fact Vince and Tin mentioned memory performance optimizations anyways. I'm just trying to collect more evidence on performance numbers and it's not easy since there aren't many results being posted nor reviews of the kingpin... I might join the club after all :P
Memory speed makes a significant difference. My max so far is +800 or 12.8ghz running Superposition. So memory is one factor and I believe the KP can hold a higher average clock even though the peak clock is lower.
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Re: Is the Kingpin 1080 TI worth the money?
2017/11/18 19:15:46
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If I was buying I'd probably get one of the new elite cards with 12ghz memory chips. But if you have the extra money I gusse the king pin is an option. But in the end the difference from any 1080ti to the king pin is not a lot so buy it knowing that the extra 200$ doesn't gain you a lot of say a standard ftw3. But like everything the last inch of performance is not cheap. Buy what you can afford but don't scarifce other parts of your build to get a king pin over a lesser 1080ti card
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Re: Is the Kingpin 1080 TI worth the money?
2017/11/18 20:29:15
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Well same here, I thought the FTW3 Elite with 12 Ghz out of the box should be the clear winner right? But not so fast. Again got myself one, clocked it to 2100 peak, with averages of 2075 core, in timespy benchmark and about 13.150Mhz on the memory, yet my score is significantly lower than the kingpin clocked at "just" 2062, 13000. The kingpin is even without matching clocks ~3% faster so clock for clock probably ~5%. Which is a lot when we are already at 2100 where the air get's thin. That's at least another 62,5 mhz higher on the core, probably more since efficiency drops off just to even out the playing field. https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/2372047/spy/2758312#
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Re: Is the Kingpin 1080 TI worth the money?
2017/11/18 20:38:04
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For me this a hobby and by no means an expert but I've seen cases where high overclocks will result in lower numbers due to stuttering/buffering? issues? e.g. bottom 1% FPS
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Re: Is the Kingpin 1080 TI worth the money?
2017/11/18 20:47:52
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imho not worth the premium unless youre hard core into OC'ing and Water cooling....otherwise just invest in a decent Card with aftermarket cooling (non FE) card.
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Re: Is the Kingpin 1080 TI worth the money?
2017/11/18 22:10:14
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Well same here, I thought the FTW3 Elite with 12 Ghz out of the box should be the clear winner right? But not so fast. Again got myself one, clocked it to 2100 peak, with averages of 2075 core, in timespy benchmark and about 13.150Mhz on the memory, yet my score is significantly lower than the kingpin clocked at "just" 2062, 13000. The kingpin is even without matching clocks ~3% faster so clock for clock probably ~5%. Which is a lot when we are already at 2100 where the air get's thin. That's at least another 62,5 mhz higher on the core, probably more since efficiency drops off just to even out the playing field.
https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/2372047/spy/2758312#
sometimes you can get better scores with lower clocks and memory speed if you are on the edge of stability but if 3% in a synthetic bench mark makes it work your whille go for it it's your money and only you can decide in the end what makes it worth it to you
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Re: Is the Kingpin 1080 TI worth the money?
2017/11/19 00:02:12
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If you aren't using LN2 cooling with the Kingpin, you're doing it wrong as it was literally specifically designed for that but than again, who would risk blowing a $1000 GPU right off the bat? lol It comes down to bragging rights which are limited because you can't brag too much if you're only running it on air or water cooling but to brag you have a $1000 GPU for 6-12 months before it's value plummets. If I were to spend $1000 or $1200 with a water block, I'd rather grab a full pascal aka Titan Xp (MSRP $1200). That's just my personal opinion as everyone varies.
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Re: Is the Kingpin 1080 TI worth the money?
2017/11/19 01:57:53
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If you want the single best performing videocard then the Kingpin is what you need. If you don't like manual overclocking then the Kingpin is overclocked for you.
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Re: Is the Kingpin 1080 TI worth the money?
2017/11/19 05:16:17
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If you want the single best performing videocard then the Kingpin is what you need. If you don't like manual overclocking then the Kingpin is overclocked for you.
But, your statement is negated because every card that isn’t reference clocks is overclocked for you. They all, including the kingpin, boost to close to the same area. The ONLY guarantee is the kingpin will hit 2025mhz on the core, but the user is required to overclock the card themselves.
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Re: Is the Kingpin 1080 TI worth the money?
2017/11/19 09:00:15
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Please don't fight :D I didn't ask for buying advice or wanted a discussion if a 1000$ gpu is worth it for the average consumer. It's not the best bang for buck, we all now that.
I know there are some other owners of the card besides Sajin here in the forums, that own the card an run it on Air/Water conditions. I just wanted to collect some performance numbers and overclocking results. Because clearly the kingpin seems to have some special sauce incredience that makes it faster than higher clocked cards in Sajin's result. I hoped to get more numbers other than Sajin's.
So please share some of your overclocked timespy results!
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Re: Is the Kingpin 1080 TI worth the money?
2017/11/19 09:52:08
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Please don't fight :D I didn't ask for buying advice or wanted a discussion if a 1000$ gpu is worth it for the average consumer. It's not the best bang for buck, we all now that.
Then you're in the wrong thread. Check the title. As for the Kingpin, it costs $1000 for a 1080Ti that would have negligible increase in performance over any other 1080Ti, even more negligible if running on water. A Titan Xp would make a significant difference albeit still relatively minor gain in performance. If I had $1200 to spend I would dig out another $200 and buy two 1080Ti's which is exactly what I did. But if your just looking for a single card then the Xp would be my preference over the Kingpin.
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Re: Is the Kingpin 1080 TI worth the money?
2017/11/19 09:56:00
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Please don't fight :D I didn't ask for buying advice or wanted a discussion if a 1000$ gpu is worth it for the average consumer. It's not the best bang for buck, we all now that.
I know there are some other owners of the card besides Sajin here in the forums, that own the card an run it on Air/Water conditions. I just wanted to collect some performance numbers and overclocking results. Because clearly the kingpin seems to have some special sauce incredience that makes it faster than higher clocked cards in Sajin's result. I hoped to get more numbers other than Sajin's.
So please share some of your overclocked timespy results!
You're not the OP. Stop hijacking his thread.  I'll add this in case it wasn't added. Lower model 1080 Ti's from the Kingpin can OC the same as the kingpin for $300 less in some or most cases. All Kingpin does is give you the guarantee of an OC and the LN2 capabilities.
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Re: Is the Kingpin 1080 TI worth the money?
2017/11/19 10:10:21
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The timespy numbers are clearly much higher on the kingpin cards with lower clocks. Sajin’s card and entire system is underclocked compared to many other systems with the same specs and a different gpu.
Also, we aren’t fighting, but providing obviously false info or misleading facts needs to be met with honest truth. No one here is selling you a card and shouldn’t feel the need to push false information. All cards overclock themselves to nearly the same numbers and 13 more MHz from the factory means nothing.
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Re: Is the Kingpin 1080 TI worth the money?
2017/11/19 11:02:59
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You're not the OP. Stop hijacking his thread.
Yes you are absolutely right, my apologies :D And it's important to bringt to OP's attention that this card is probably not worth the extra cost if you are not using exotic cooling solutions or aren't after the last 1% of a benchmark score. Differences in games are basically negligible. This is a different product not for the usual consumer / gamer. Also providing a huge list of benefits where most of them don't mean a thing for the average person is somewhat misleading. Others might find it still worth the cost, or just want the best potential, or simply like the looks of it. By inquiring benchmark results, I was hoping to catch some of the other kingpin owners who might swing by. Because while browsing the web for benchmark results under air/water I noticed they are basically non excistend besides Sajin's results that stand out as mentioned before, therefore I tried to gather more intel on that matter here than starting a new thread.
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Re: Is the Kingpin 1080 TI worth the money?
2017/11/20 03:26:47
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IMO, The Kingpin, is only worth it if you like the feeling of having the Flagship GPU, (For a few months). I owned a 1080 ti SC2 Hybrid, that maxed OC at 1967mhz. I sold it and picked up the 1080 ti FTW3 Hybrid, out the box boost to 2004mhz. I have not pushed it but I can easily OC to 2050mhz stable. Now the kicker, if you are buying these cards for gaming, the difference in (FPS) between 1967mhz to 2050mhz, is about (3 - 5 FPS). You are not gonna notice the difference when playing most games. What you will notice with all 1080 ti GPU's, is the cooler you keep them the better they perform. I have a new Girl in my life, GTX 1080 ti FTW3 Hybrid, and she so Cool 
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Re: Is the Kingpin 1080 TI worth the money?
2017/11/20 04:04:38
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From my perspective worth. Not only for LN2. It's excellent to play games long time on some nice NVIDIA GeForce with Graphic Processor push to the limits, far more than fabric specifications. Than your GPU become something more than normal GTX1080Ti or GTX780Ti or any card. When GTX780Ti K|NGP|N was launched she was much faster than reference model but we didn't know that even GTX980 SC launched next year will give little lower benchmark score. Only for so powerfull cards you should have at least watercooling. Now GTX1080Ti FTW3 is great choice as well. In something like this... Some reviews say that VRM is great as well, more than enough for hard core gaming. 
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