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justin_43
 



The difference between the cards should be minimized. Because there isn't much of a difference at all. Its a cash grab to have all these different tiers. It's the only way for EVGA to get their margins to be higher. To make people think the ultra chips are somehow better. And you are falling for it. They might be better or might not. All they did was verify that a certain chip can hit 1920Mhz and put in into an ultra card. They didn't verify that a black chip cannot hit 1920Mhz. Not many chips, if any, won't hit 1920Mhz. Its a low bar for an "ultra" card to hit. Just because they tested one chip and it hits ultra speed and is labeled ultra, doesn't mean a chip labeled black won't hit the ultra speed. You are rolling the overclocking dice with any card,  black or gaming or ultra unless your only bar is to hit a guaranteed 1920Mhz then by all means buy that ultra and get that guarantee. I would be shocked to see anyone post they couldn't hit 1920Mhz with any 3090Ti.

I won't argue that. Good points. But - they are binned. :)
 

Resident Guru
Apologies if this has been covered. Will there be a standalone 3090 Ti FTW3 Hybrid kit released in the future? My FTW3 Black edition that I just got yesterday is great and boosts really well. However, I want to get a kit for it like I did with my 3090 FTW3.

HeavyUser
Anyone know if this thing will fit in a cooler master nr200?

kraade
It's a nice card and all, But you know you could buy a 3080 off Ebay and still have enough left over to buy a real nice 49" Ultra wide monitor

AHowes
What I've learned over the years with the different tier cards is that the most expensive one has the highest power limit and thsts what it really comes down to.

So while most people think they are being smart getting the cheapest card only focusing on the clocks guesing their card will out perform the more expensive card.. yet they will be limited from the lower power profile.

gorgid78

kram36

AHowes
What I've learned over the years with the different tier cards is that the most expensive one has the highest power limit and thsts what it really comes down to.

So while most people think they are being smart getting the cheapest card only focusing on the clocks guesing their card will out perform the more expensive card.. yet they will be limited from the lower power profile.

Put the Ultra Gaming bios on the Black Gaming then, if there is really a difference. EVGA allows this, it does not void your warranty as long as it's an EVGA bios.

Can it be done with Kingpin BIOS going to FTW3 ultra?

GTXJackBauer
 
See, that's where you're wrong there.
 
3090 Ti KP shines when under LN2.  Can you do the same with the SKU under it?  I'm sure it's possible but they will fry themselves at a much quicker rate than the binned silicon on the KP board.  Even if you swapped just the silicon.
 
I've known they were binned over the years.  EVGA and KP himself has said so.  You're basically saying it's marketing malarky and that they're all lying.   You couldn't be more further from the truth.
 
What you're being confused about is seeing some people get lucky through silicon lottery with say a Black SKU performing close if not the same as a FTW3 ULTRA SKU.  Sure it can happen, it's silicon lottery because all these SKUs aren't hand picked but generally tested and some will slip through the cracks if you will for the betterment on the consumer end.

AnonymousGuy
what KPE means.

AnonymousGuy

GTXJackBauer
 
I've known they were binned over the years.  EVGA and KP himself has said so.  You're basically saying it's marketing malarky and that they're all lying.   You couldn't be more further from the truth.
 

They've never described what "binning" actually means.  Until they do, it's marketing fugazi.  They want people to have your mentality and go out and spend 30% more on the same silicon with a PCB that has $20 higher BOM cost thinking that it's going to be the best overclocker.  Reality is: if the Kingpin 3090 was so awesome and binned why is the clock set at 1920Mhz?  There isn't any 3090 that can't hit that.  EVGA could clear this up in one sentence but they don't...so I'm going to assume it's because that one sentence is going to shatter a lot of fantasies about what KPE means.

GTXJackBauer

justin_43
 
No one was talking about the kingpin. Obviously those are binned. It was a discussion about black vs gaming vs ultra.

I thought you stated that they weren't binned GPUs and by not binned, I thought you were talking about the KPs because that's been asked around here many times.  We both agree to agree on that front.  That still doesn't mean you can get a black to beat a KP at both of their full potential.  No way jose.

justin_43

GTXJackBauer

justin_43
 
No one was talking about the kingpin. Obviously those are binned. It was a discussion about black vs gaming vs ultra.

I thought you stated that they weren't binned GPUs and by not binned, I thought you were talking about the KPs because that's been asked around here many times.  We both agree to agree on that front.  That still doesn't mean you can get a black to beat a KP at both of their full potential.  No way jose.

 
Yeah, I didn't say that. I never mentioned the kingpin. It was not what was being discussed.  It was purely about the difference in the standard cards. Black, Gaming, and Ultra. All I said was you have the same chance at the silicon lottery with those 3 cards. Yes they are tested to make sure they hit their respective boost clocks but that is all. They are not tested for top speed and then put into a different SKU based on that. Again, not the kingpin, obviously that is a different beast and I don't think most blacks can beat kingpins.