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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti
2022/04/01 19:07:29
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The difference between the cards should be minimized. Because there isn't much of a difference at all. Its a cash grab to have all these different tiers. It's the only way for EVGA to get their margins to be higher. To make people think the ultra chips are somehow better. And you are falling for it. They might be better or might not. All they did was verify that a certain chip can hit 1920Mhz and put in into an ultra card. They didn't verify that a black chip cannot hit 1920Mhz. Not many chips, if any, won't hit 1920Mhz. Its a low bar for an "ultra" card to hit. Just because they tested one chip and it hits ultra speed and is labeled ultra, doesn't mean a chip labeled black won't hit the ultra speed. You are rolling the overclocking dice with any card, black or gaming or ultra unless your only bar is to hit a guaranteed 1920Mhz then by all means buy that ultra and get that guarantee. I would be shocked to see anyone post they couldn't hit 1920Mhz with any 3090Ti. I won't argue that. Good points. But - they are binned. :)
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti
2022/04/01 19:19:23
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The difference between the cards should be minimized. Because there isn't much of a difference at all. Its a cash grab to have all these different tiers. It's the only way for EVGA to get their margins to be higher. To make people think the ultra chips are somehow better. And you are falling for it. They might be better or might not. All they did was verify that a certain chip can hit 1920Mhz and put in into an ultra card. They didn't verify that a black chip cannot hit 1920Mhz. Not many chips, if any, won't hit 1920Mhz. Its a low bar for an "ultra" card to hit. Just because they tested one chip and it hits ultra speed and is labeled ultra, doesn't mean a chip labeled black won't hit the ultra speed. You are rolling the overclocking dice with any card, black or gaming or ultra unless your only bar is to hit a guaranteed 1920Mhz then by all means buy that ultra and get that guarantee. I would be shocked to see anyone post they couldn't hit 1920Mhz with any 3090Ti.
I won't argue that. Good points. But - they are binned. :)
Yes you are right, they are binned, by the strict definition, they are tested for clock speed. They would have to be. It's just that most people think of binning as testing for TOP clock speed. Which they are not. I think we just got hung up on the term "binned", and you are right, by it's dictionary definition they are binned, just not cherry picked.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti
2022/04/02 09:00:00
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Apologies if this has been covered. Will there be a standalone 3090 Ti FTW3 Hybrid kit released in the future? My FTW3 Black edition that I just got yesterday is great and boosts really well. However, I want to get a kit for it like I did with my 3090 FTW3.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti
2022/04/02 09:50:44
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Apologies if this has been covered. Will there be a standalone 3090 Ti FTW3 Hybrid kit released in the future? My FTW3 Black edition that I just got yesterday is great and boosts really well. However, I want to get a kit for it like I did with my 3090 FTW3.
I believe the semi-official line from EVGA is "TBD".
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti
2022/04/02 12:20:29
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Anyone know if this thing will fit in a cooler master nr200?
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti
2022/04/02 13:18:19
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Anyone know if this thing will fit in a cooler master nr200?
It will fit, but good airflow would be lacking. I personally would not recommend it.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti
2022/04/02 14:23:05
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It's a nice card and all, But you know you could buy a 3080 off Ebay and still have enough left over to buy a real nice 49" Ultra wide monitor
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti
2022/04/02 14:24:53
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It's a nice card and all, But you know you could buy a 3080 off Ebay and still have enough left over to buy a real nice 49" Ultra wide monitor
I already have it hooked up to a 77” OLED. I have money to blow my friend.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti
2022/04/02 14:57:48
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Apologies if this has been covered. Will there be a standalone 3090 Ti FTW3 Hybrid kit released in the future? My FTW3 Black edition that I just got yesterday is great and boosts really well. However, I want to get a kit for it like I did with my 3090 FTW3.
EK is building a block for it now, this is probably your best bet , I am on a KPE hybrid and it saturates pretty quick even with the 360 radiator. I run up to 51 C on a Port Royal run with just sliders pulling just 470w , pulling 620 watts its more like 57C . Your card has all the ram on one side and that's a big heat load, I am very curious to see how the KPE is going to handle it when it ever comes out.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti
2022/04/02 18:35:12
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Hi, I have those two cards . Around %5-10% difference. 3090 FTW3 ULTRA has 500w bios. 3090TI ultra comes with 480w bios. 3090TI runs pretty cool around 65C under the load. I hope to see OC bios with 500+w number.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti
2022/04/02 18:41:16
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I usually prefer water block. But i was surprised how quiet and cool FTW3 ultra operates.
I have a question to EVGA. 3090 FTW3 came with 450w bios and later EVGA offered 500w bios . Are you guys planning to offer something like that for 3090 TI FTW3 ULTRA.?
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti
2022/04/02 20:53:33
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Does anyone know the release time of the kp version, I am looking forward to the kp version
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti
2022/04/03 07:37:25
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What I've learned over the years with the different tier cards is that the most expensive one has the highest power limit and thsts what it really comes down to.
So while most people think they are being smart getting the cheapest card only focusing on the clocks guesing their card will out perform the more expensive card.. yet they will be limited from the lower power profile.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti
2022/04/03 07:57:16
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What I've learned over the years with the different tier cards is that the most expensive one has the highest power limit and thsts what it really comes down to.
So while most people think they are being smart getting the cheapest card only focusing on the clocks guesing their card will out perform the more expensive card.. yet they will be limited from the lower power profile.
Put the Ultra Gaming bios on the Black Gaming then, if there is really a difference. EVGA allows this, it does not void your warranty as long as it's an EVGA bios.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti
2022/04/03 08:02:11
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AHowes
What I've learned over the years with the different tier cards is that the most expensive one has the highest power limit and thsts what it really comes down to.
So while most people think they are being smart getting the cheapest card only focusing on the clocks guesing their card will out perform the more expensive card.. yet they will be limited from the lower power profile.
Put the Ultra Gaming bios on the Black Gaming then, if there is really a difference. EVGA allows this, it does not void your warranty as long as it's an EVGA bios.
Can it be done with Kingpin BIOS going to FTW3 ultra?
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti
2022/04/03 09:19:01
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What I've learned over the years with the different tier cards is that the most expensive one has the highest power limit and thsts what it really comes down to.
So while most people think they are being smart getting the cheapest card only focusing on the clocks guesing their card will out perform the more expensive card.. yet they will be limited from the lower power profile.
Put the Ultra Gaming bios on the Black Gaming then, if there is really a difference. EVGA allows this, it does not void your warranty as long as it's an EVGA bios.
Can it be done with Kingpin BIOS going to FTW3 ultra?
Trying to find the EVGATech's post on this. I would assume that would void your warranty if it bricked your card as they are not the same cards, they have a completely different PCB and power delivery system.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti
2022/04/04 08:43:09
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Like I said, technically, by the strict definition, they are binned. They just not tested for top speed, which is what most people think of binning as, and that is what I meant when I said they were not binned. Obviously that have to be tested to see if they hit a certain clock speed so they can sell them as such. No one contests that. You are getting bogged down in semantics.
No. I'm just making sure there's clarity out there for people that are looking at three very close RTX 3090 Ti SKUs from EVGA. For some people - the answer is get the cheapest RTX 3090 Ti. For others - when buying top end, the answer is to get the best RTX 3090 Ti. Due to binning, there are advantages to going up the stack within EVGA's product line. Full stop. To say they are not binned is minimizing the difference between the cards and not presenting all of the info. It's not just a different BIOS.
The difference between the cards should be minimized. Because there isn't much of a difference at all. Its a cash grab to have all these different tiers. It's the only way for EVGA to get their margins to be higher. To make people think the ultra chips are somehow better. And you are falling for it. They might be better or might not. All they did was verify that a certain chip can hit 1920Mhz and put in into an ultra card. They didn't verify that a black chip cannot hit 1920Mhz. Not many chips, if any, won't hit 1920Mhz. Its a low bar for an "ultra" card to hit. Just because they tested one chip and it hits ultra speed and is labeled ultra, doesn't mean a chip labeled black won't hit the ultra speed. You are rolling the overclocking dice with any card, black or gaming or ultra unless your only bar is to hit a guaranteed 1920Mhz then by all means buy that ultra and get that guarantee. I would be shocked to see anyone post they couldn't hit 1920Mhz with any 3090Ti.
See, that's where you're wrong there. 3090 Ti KP shines when under LN2. Can you do the same with the SKU under it? I'm sure it's possible but they will fry themselves at a much quicker rate than the binned silicon on the KP board. Even if you swapped just the silicon. I've known they were binned over the years. EVGA and KP himself has said so. You're basically saying it's marketing malarky and that they're all lying. You couldn't be more further from the truth. What you're being confused about is seeing some people get lucky through silicon lottery with say a Black SKU performing close if not the same as a FTW3 ULTRA SKU. Sure it can happen, it's silicon lottery because all these SKUs aren't hand picked but generally tested and some will slip through the cracks if you will for the betterment on the consumer end.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti
2022/04/04 10:15:41
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idk that there's any issue running ftw3 cold. it may not have as much headroom as a kingpin bin, but it will represent
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti
2022/04/04 14:48:03
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There's no issue with running non-KP cards on LN2, power limits can be gotten around by shunt modding if so inclined. You just don't get all the control with a proper KP XOC bios. The advantage of KP cards is that they're easy to toss a LN2 pot on, some insulation, and go.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti
2022/04/05 07:35:56
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See, that's where you're wrong there.
3090 Ti KP shines when under LN2. Can you do the same with the SKU under it? I'm sure it's possible but they will fry themselves at a much quicker rate than the binned silicon on the KP board. Even if you swapped just the silicon.
I've known they were binned over the years. EVGA and KP himself has said so. You're basically saying it's marketing malarky and that they're all lying. You couldn't be more further from the truth.
What you're being confused about is seeing some people get lucky through silicon lottery with say a Black SKU performing close if not the same as a FTW3 ULTRA SKU. Sure it can happen, it's silicon lottery because all these SKUs aren't hand picked but generally tested and some will slip through the cracks if you will for the betterment on the consumer end.
No one was talking about the kingpin. Obviously those are binned. It was a discussion about black vs gaming vs ultra. And it's not some people getting lucky with a black that can hit 1920Mhz. I doubt you will find even one instance of a black card that cannot hit 1920Mhz.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti
2022/04/05 12:48:04
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I've known they were binned over the years. EVGA and KP himself has said so. You're basically saying it's marketing malarky and that they're all lying. You couldn't be more further from the truth.
They've never described what "binning" actually means. Until they do, it's marketing fugazi. They want people to have your mentality and go out and spend 30% more on the same silicon with a PCB that has $20 higher BOM cost thinking that it's going to be the best overclocker. Reality is: if the Kingpin 3090 was so awesome and binned why is the clock set at 1920Mhz? There isn't any 3090 that can't hit that. EVGA could clear this up in one sentence but they don't...so I'm going to assume it's because that one sentence is going to shatter a lot of fantasies about what KPE means.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti
2022/04/05 13:48:02
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what KPE means.
it means EVGA paid for the ability/rights to use his online likeness/name.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti
2022/04/05 14:00:32
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I've known they were binned over the years. EVGA and KP himself has said so. You're basically saying it's marketing malarky and that they're all lying. You couldn't be more further from the truth.
They've never described what "binning" actually means. Until they do, it's marketing fugazi. They want people to have your mentality and go out and spend 30% more on the same silicon with a PCB that has $20 higher BOM cost thinking that it's going to be the best overclocker. Reality is: if the Kingpin 3090 was so awesome and binned why is the clock set at 1920Mhz? There isn't any 3090 that can't hit that. EVGA could clear this up in one sentence but they don't...so I'm going to assume it's because that one sentence is going to shatter a lot of fantasies about what KPE means.
How many 3090's can hit 2790MHz? https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1091179 Wonder how many kingpins biso biso murdered before he found two that would stand up to his world record torture tho. Guess we'll never know until he describes what "binning" means lollll
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti
2022/04/05 15:34:54
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I've known they were binned over the years. EVGA and KP himself has said so. You're basically saying it's marketing malarky and that they're all lying. You couldn't be more further from the truth.
They've never described what "binning" actually means. Until they do, it's marketing fugazi. They want people to have your mentality and go out and spend 30% more on the same silicon with a PCB that has $20 higher BOM cost thinking that it's going to be the best overclocker. Reality is: if the Kingpin 3090 was so awesome and binned why is the clock set at 1920Mhz? There isn't any 3090 that can't hit that. EVGA could clear this up in one sentence but they don't...so I'm going to assume it's because that one sentence is going to shatter a lot of fantasies about what KPE means.
1920 is a clock the card can hold at the full power limit with no additional core offset. Think of it more as a minimum than a maximum.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti
2022/04/06 00:03:48
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No one was talking about the kingpin. Obviously those are binned. It was a discussion about black vs gaming vs ultra.
I thought you stated that they weren't binned GPUs and by not binned, I thought you were talking about the KPs because that's been asked around here many times. We both agree to agree on that front. That still doesn't mean you can get a black to beat a KP at both of their full potential. No way jose. talon951
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I've known they were binned over the years. EVGA and KP himself has said so. You're basically saying it's marketing malarky and that they're all lying. You couldn't be more further from the truth.
They've never described what "binning" actually means. Until they do, it's marketing fugazi. They want people to have your mentality and go out and spend 30% more on the same silicon with a PCB that has $20 higher BOM cost thinking that it's going to be the best overclocker. Reality is: if the Kingpin 3090 was so awesome and binned why is the clock set at 1920Mhz? There isn't any 3090 that can't hit that. EVGA could clear this up in one sentence but they don't...so I'm going to assume it's because that one sentence is going to shatter a lot of fantasies about what KPE means.
1920 is a clock the card can hold at the full power limit with no additional core offset. Think of it more as a minimum than a maximum.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti
2022/04/06 16:52:10
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Also wondering are we going to get a MEGA BIOS for the 3090ti FTW3? Is EVGA waiting for 16-pin power cables or qualified PSU's to be available before releasing the bios? I just noticed that the "16-pin" 3-to-1 adapter that came with my 3090ti FTW3 is actually only 12-pin. Look at the 4 unpopulated pins here. IMAGE HERE
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti
2022/04/06 17:27:41
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Also wondering are we going to get a MEGA BIOS for the 3090ti FTW3? Is EVGA waiting for 16-pin power cables or qualified PSU's to be available before releasing the bios? I just noticed that the "16-pin" 3-to-1 adapter that came with my 3090ti FTW3 is actually only 12-pin. Look at the 4 unpopulated pins here.
IMAGE HERE
"The RTX 3090 Ti introduces the new 16-pin power connector—note the four small pins above the larger 12 pins. This connector is specified for up to 600 W power delivery. All RTX 3090 Ti cards come bundled with a 3x 8-pin to 12-pin adapter (the four small sense pins aren't used). While the ATX specification states that the card should limit itself to 150 W if the four small sense pins aren't connected, NVIDIA made sure even the 3x 8-pin adapter scenario, which can provide up to 525 W (3x 150 W + 75 W from the slot), runs the card at optimal settings." Source: https://www.techpowerup.c...0-ti-ftw3-ultra/3.html
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti
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No one was talking about the kingpin. Obviously those are binned. It was a discussion about black vs gaming vs ultra.
I thought you stated that they weren't binned GPUs and by not binned, I thought you were talking about the KPs because that's been asked around here many times. We both agree to agree on that front. That still doesn't mean you can get a black to beat a KP at both of their full potential. No way jose.
Yeah, I didn't say that. I never mentioned the kingpin. It was not what was being discussed. It was purely about the difference in the standard cards. Black, Gaming, and Ultra. All I said was you have the same chance at the silicon lottery with those 3 cards. Yes they are tested to make sure they hit their respective boost clocks but that is all. They are not tested for top speed and then put into a different SKU based on that. Again, not the kingpin, obviously that is a different beast and I don't think most blacks can beat kingpins.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti
2022/04/07 11:11:45
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Will the 3090 Ti FTW3 Black restock frequently? I am planning on buying one. I am not interested in the other two models.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti
2022/04/07 13:15:52
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justin_43
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justin_43
No one was talking about the kingpin. Obviously those are binned. It was a discussion about black vs gaming vs ultra.
I thought you stated that they weren't binned GPUs and by not binned, I thought you were talking about the KPs because that's been asked around here many times. We both agree to agree on that front. That still doesn't mean you can get a black to beat a KP at both of their full potential. No way jose.
Yeah, I didn't say that. I never mentioned the kingpin. It was not what was being discussed. It was purely about the difference in the standard cards. Black, Gaming, and Ultra. All I said was you have the same chance at the silicon lottery with those 3 cards. Yes they are tested to make sure they hit their respective boost clocks but that is all. They are not tested for top speed and then put into a different SKU based on that. Again, not the kingpin, obviously that is a different beast and I don't think most blacks can beat kingpins.
If I had to guess, it's more of just a voltage binning than anything else. They can all have the same rated base/boost clock, but the voltage the boost clocks are rated at will be what determines in which pile they go. The bins themselves are going to be skewed by what product they believe they will sell the most of (excluding the KP, as that will for sure be a hard line of yes or no) If they expect the ultra line to be the most popular and worthwhile, that will be the bin the others are based off of. Given the gpu market, much of this goes out the window and probably why the boost clocks are set where they are; to have as much flexibility in what product line to produce the most of (look at how non-existent the black and gaming were for the 3080/3090 ftw3's).
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