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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti 2022/03/31 04:10:05 (permalink)
Yeah, I'll stick to my 3080 FTW3. It's more than enough power for my needs.

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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti 2022/03/31 07:56:17 (permalink)
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Will the FTW3 Ultra Gaming SKU be compatible with pre-existing 3090 FTW3 Ultra Gaming waterblocks?


No, Ekwb is working on a new block for example. https://www.ekwb.com/news/rtx-3090-ti-getting-ek-water-blocks/ 
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti 2022/03/31 12:53:03 (permalink)
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I do get the standard spec and msrp game. Great I guess for the folks who are able to get the black, (I even got one so great for me I guess) but I guess we will see what other variants will come in at.  Feels a bit salty to have paid 10% more for the same thing lol. 




Yeah it sucks that EVGA plays this game now. Where they have an MSRP card that they offer very few of, and then sell the same card for hundreds more, and its the one that is available most of the time. It really is just a different vBIOS with a slight bump in clock speed. The chips are not binned. It's silicon lottery how well the chips OC for each card black or ultra. You and anyone else who got the black are lucky.
 
That being said, the 3090 Ti Black is in stock right now for MSRP. Get it while you can
 

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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti 2022/03/31 14:30:43 (permalink)
I just snagged a FTW3 Black! Excited to see how it performs.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti 2022/03/31 14:47:20 (permalink)
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I just snagged a FTW3 Black! Excited to see how it performs.



Congrats! That's a sick card. I hope you used someone's associates code for the discount
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti 2022/03/31 16:49:59 (permalink)
My  3090 ti FTW3 black arrived today. I personally think EVGA f'd up with the 3x 8 pin into the smaller 12 pin jack.  I think the 12 pin jack will not like to fold 24/7 pulling 300 plus watts.
 
I also think if you game for 3 hours in a row and pull 450 watts into that small jack there will be troubles.
 
Card is a lovely thing to look at lights are pretty. I am doing 315 watts on my card I will get back after it runs for a day .
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti 2022/03/31 17:05:13 (permalink)
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My  3090 ti FTW3 black arrived today. I personally think EVGA f'd up with the 3x 8 pin into the smaller 12 pin jack.  I think the 12 pin jack will not like to fold 24/7 pulling 300 plus watts.
 
I also think if you game for 3 hours in a row and pull 450 watts into that small jack there will be troubles.
 
Card is a lovely thing to look at lights are pretty. I am doing 315 watts on my card I will get back after it runs for a day .

Isn’t the 12 pin rated for 600 watts? How are temps while gaming? Have you tested?
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti 2022/03/31 17:24:18 (permalink)
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I just snagged a FTW3 Black! Excited to see how it performs.



Congrats! That's a sick card. I hope you used someone's for the discount

I sure did. $1939 before tax. Did overnight shipping. Hope it shows up tomorrow.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti 2022/03/31 17:47:48 (permalink)
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I just snagged a FTW3 Black! Excited to see how it performs.



Congrats! That's a sick card. I hope you used someone's associate code for the discount

I sure did. $1939 before tax. Did overnight shipping. Hope it shows up tomorrow.



Excellent
It's nice they have a way for people to save some money on these cards.

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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti 2022/03/31 17:55:53 (permalink)
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My  3090 ti FTW3 black arrived today. I personally think EVGA f'd up with the 3x 8 pin into the smaller 12 pin jack.  I think the 12 pin jack will not like to fold 24/7 pulling 300 plus watts.
 
I also think if you game for 3 hours in a row and pull 450 watts into that small jack there will be troubles.
 
Card is a lovely thing to look at lights are pretty. I am doing 315 watts on my card I will get back after it runs for a day .

Isn’t the 12 pin rated for 600 watts? How are temps while gaming? Have you tested?



 
I am going to fold and render more than game. It runs good at 315 watts
 
Ram temps are about 84C .  I won't push it till I know it can handle a steady 310-320 watts for a day. It is the latest and heaviest card I ever owned. but that small jack 12 pin makes me nervous.
 
Oh I got a discount from enewt's code 60 bucks. and I got 1.5% off with my cc. and I have until dec 2022 to pay interest free.  Still a costly item but it seems to do better than my 3090 ftw3 or my kingpin 3090 hybrid at my work loads.  Honestly I could not afford these without folding and rendering income they cost too much.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti 2022/03/31 18:01:56 (permalink)
Yea that connector is good for 600w. No chance that 300w will be a problem.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti 2022/03/31 18:35:53 (permalink)
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Yea that connector is good for 600w. No chance that 300w will be a problem.



 
cool as I won't go past 400 with much usages.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti 2022/03/31 22:49:48 (permalink)
No word on the specs for the 3090 Ti KP yet?

 
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti 2022/04/01 05:16:15 (permalink)
I Just got a 3080 Ti FTW3 in from Amazon and were I to upgrade to the 3090 Ti, I 1,0000% only want the hybrid version. 360mm or bust 
 
Anyone have any idea if these will hit step up or the kits be sold separately? I know they sold the 240mm kits separately, but IIRC the only 360mm hybrids to date are Kingpin and they never sold those kits separately.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti 2022/04/01 07:55:26 (permalink)
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The chips are not binned. 



@EVGA_JacobF stated that they are binned in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTFHsRQ-DKM. You can even see in the tear down that the boost MHz is written on the card itself and it is numbered.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti 2022/04/01 09:16:48 (permalink)
On a whim I entered the que and was very surprised to receive a notification within an hour..... Unfortunately I had just bought a regular 3090 just a few days prior on the Egg.....  Short story shorter, I gave up my right to buy. 
 
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti 2022/04/01 09:20:14 (permalink)
I gave up a 3090 Ti last week. Not enough of a bump from a 3080Ti to 3090Ti. I'll wait and see what 4000 series does.

 
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti 2022/04/01 09:33:09 (permalink)
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The chips are not binned. 



@EVGA_JacobF stated that they are binned in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTFHsRQ-DKM. You can even see in the tear down that the boost MHz is written on the card itself and it is numbered.



Ehhhhh I don't think it means "binning" like we think it does.  They probably just load the Ultra firmware on it and confirm it works at that frequency.  It doesn't mean the base model isn't also capable of running the same clocks.  Reviewer cards may have been hand-binned to send out the best overlockers but that's too time consuming to do for production.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti 2022/04/01 10:09:09 (permalink)
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The chips are not binned. 



@EVGA_JacobF stated that they are binned in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTFHsRQ-DKM. You can even see in the tear down that the boost MHz is written on the card itself and it is numbered.



Ehhhhh I don't think it means "binning" like we think it does.  They probably just load the Ultra firmware on it and confirm it works at that frequency.  It doesn't mean the base model isn't also capable of running the same clocks.  Reviewer cards may have been hand-binned to send out the best overlockers but that's too time consuming to do for production.




Just watch the video and you will agree that they are binned.

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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti 2022/04/01 11:06:16 (permalink)
He said the same here,

https://twitter.com/EVGA_...9BblYDYquFWnA&s=19

It's not clear what is actually different though. Maybe the bios (VF curve).
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti 2022/04/01 11:52:21 (permalink)
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The chips are not binned. 



@EVGA_JacobF stated that they are binned in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTFHsRQ-DKM. You can even see in the tear down that the boost MHz is written on the card itself and it is numbered.



Ehhhhh I don't think it means "binning" like we think it does.  They probably just load the Ultra firmware on it and confirm it works at that frequency.  It doesn't mean the base model isn't also capable of running the same clocks.  Reviewer cards may have been hand-binned to send out the best overlockers but that's too time consuming to do for production.




They actually are binned.  We've known this for years.  FTW3's get some treatment but not at the level the KPs are.  Everything else is baseically what you described.  A general test and each silicon goes to a certain SKU that is known to handle what it's advertised to do so.  Some get lucky with silicon lottery and get more efficient chips which allow for more OCs.

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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti 2022/04/01 12:50:47 (permalink)
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He said the same here,

https://twitter.com/EVGA_...9BblYDYquFWnA&s=19

It's not clear what is actually different though. Maybe the bios (VF curve).



It's in the GamersNexus video that I linked. Jacob is literally talking to Tech Jesus in the video. I guess no one has time to watch it, lol.

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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti 2022/04/01 17:25:47 (permalink)
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They actually are binned.  We've known this for years.  FTW3's get some treatment but not at the level the KPs are.  Everything else is baseically what you described.  A general test and each silicon goes to a certain SKU that is known to handle what it's advertised to do so.  Some get lucky with silicon lottery and get more efficient chips which allow for more OCs.



On the phone he could only talking about the reviewer samples being the "first batch".  The boost clocks on even the Ultra are super conservative so I doubt there's any special treatment.
 
Hell I even doubt the KP 3090 is binned beyond a test socket running at the "stock" clocks for a KP before slapping it on a KP PCB.  People were getting similar results with every other 3090 FTW3/Strix/TUF/whatever.  I think they intentionally like keeping it vague so everyone thinks it's some hand selected high overclocker when if it really was that they'd advertise it hard (like I swear they did with either the 1000 or 2000 series Classified where you could buy different binnings at one point)
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti 2022/04/01 17:32:16 (permalink)
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The chips are not binned. 



@EVGA_JacobF stated that they are binned in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTFHsRQ-DKM. You can even see in the tear down that the boost MHz is written on the card itself and it is numbered.



Ehhhhh I don't think it means "binning" like we think it does.  They probably just load the Ultra firmware on it and confirm it works at that frequency.  It doesn't mean the base model isn't also capable of running the same clocks.  Reviewer cards may have been hand-binned to send out the best overlockers but that's too time consuming to do for production.




Just watch the video and you will agree that they are binned.





I watched the part with Jacob and I do agree you are right. I guess they are sort of binning them now. I still don't think they are actually binning each chip to find out it's top speed though. That would be a ton of work to do that with every chip. I think they are binning to see if they run at ultra frequency or not. But I'm sure they do bin the chips they are sending to reviewers though.

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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti 2022/04/01 17:49:20 (permalink)
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On the phone he could only talking about the reviewer samples being the "first batch".  The boost clocks on even the Ultra are super conservative so I doubt there's any special treatment.
 
Hell I even doubt the KP 3090 is binned beyond a test socket running at the "stock" clocks for a KP before slapping it on a KP PCB.  People were getting similar results with every other 3090 FTW3/Strix/TUF/whatever.  I think they intentionally like keeping it vague so everyone thinks it's some hand selected high overclocker when if it really was that they'd advertise it hard (like I swear they did with either the 1000 or 2000 series Classified where you could buy different binnings at one point)




The definition of binning:
 
Binning is a sorting process in which top-performing chips are sorted from lower-performing chips.
 
It does not have to be some kind of crazy exotic process. EVGA says they bin - so they bin. I'm not saying only FTW3 Ultra has a boost to 3000 MHz or something like that - just that they're cherry picked. They have 3 identical cards only differentiated by frequencies - so that's how it rolls.
 
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He said the same here,

https://twitter.com/EVGA_...9BblYDYquFWnA&s=19

It's not clear what is actually different though. Maybe the bios (VF curve).

 
I guess you're arguing that these are not GALAX HoF-level binned - OK, sure.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti 2022/04/01 18:08:23 (permalink)
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The definition of binning:
 
Binning is a sorting process in which top-performing chips are sorted from lower-performing chips.
 
It does not have to be some kind of crazy exotic process. EVGA says they bin - so they bin. I'm not saying only FTW3 Ultra has a boost to 3000 MHz or something like that - just that they're cherry picked. They have 3 identical cards only differentiated by frequencies - so that's how it rolls.


Plenty of black chips will do 2100. They don't necessarily put lower performing chips into lower tier cards. They just don't put lower performing chips into the higher tier cards. The chips are not binned for top speed. They are binned to see if they hit a certain frequency. While the definition you posted is technically right, most people think of binning as, testing for top speed. But of course they bin the chips by the definition of the term, they have to find out if they can hit the advertised speed or not. So they are technically binning them. Just not how most people would think.
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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti 2022/04/01 18:19:42 (permalink)
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The definition of binning:
 
Binning is a sorting process in which top-performing chips are sorted from lower-performing chips.
 
It does not have to be some kind of crazy exotic process. EVGA says they bin - so they bin. I'm not saying only FTW3 Ultra has a boost to 3000 MHz or something like that - just that they're cherry picked. They have 3 identical cards only differentiated by frequencies - so that's how it rolls.


Plenty of black chips will do 2100. They don't necessarily put lower performing chips into lower tier cards. They just don't put lower performing chips into the higher tier cards. The chips are not binned for top speed. They are binned to see if they hit a certain frequency. While the definition you posted is technically right, most people think of binning as, testing for top speed. But of course they bin the chips by the definition of the term, they have to find out if they can hit the advertised speed or not. So they are technically binning them. Just not how most people would think.





Good deal - glad you corrected yourself:
 
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 The chips are not binned. 



 

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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti 2022/04/01 18:26:36 (permalink)
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The definition of binning:
 
Binning is a sorting process in which top-performing chips are sorted from lower-performing chips.
 
It does not have to be some kind of crazy exotic process. EVGA says they bin - so they bin. I'm not saying only FTW3 Ultra has a boost to 3000 MHz or something like that - just that they're cherry picked. They have 3 identical cards only differentiated by frequencies - so that's how it rolls.


Plenty of black chips will do 2100. They don't necessarily put lower performing chips into lower tier cards. They just don't put lower performing chips into the higher tier cards. The chips are not binned for top speed. They are binned to see if they hit a certain frequency. While the definition you posted is technically right, most people think of binning as, testing for top speed. But of course they bin the chips by the definition of the term, they have to find out if they can hit the advertised speed or not. So they are technically binning them. Just not how most people would think.





Good deal - glad you corrected yourself:
 
justin_43
 
 The chips are not binned. 



 




Like I said, technically, by the strict definition, they are binned. They just not tested for top speed, which is what most people think of binning as, and that is what I meant when I said they were not binned. Obviously that have to be tested to see if they hit a certain clock speed so they can sell them as such. No one contests that. You are getting bogged down in semantics.

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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti 2022/04/01 18:31:26 (permalink)
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Like I said, technically, by the strict definition, they are binned. They just not tested for top speed, which is what most people think of binning as, and that is what I meant when I said they were not binned. Obviously that have to be tested to see if they hit a certain clock speed so they can sell them as such. No one contests that. You are getting bogged down in semantics.




No. I'm just making sure there's clarity out there for people that are looking at three very close RTX 3090 Ti SKUs from EVGA. For some people - the answer is get the cheapest RTX 3090 Ti. For others - when buying top end, the answer is to get the best RTX 3090 Ti. Due to binning, there are advantages to going up the stack within EVGA's product line. Full stop. To say they are not binned is minimizing the difference between the cards and not presenting all of the info. It's not just a different BIOS.

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Re: Introducing the EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti 2022/04/01 18:44:12 (permalink)
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Like I said, technically, by the strict definition, they are binned. They just not tested for top speed, which is what most people think of binning as, and that is what I meant when I said they were not binned. Obviously that have to be tested to see if they hit a certain clock speed so they can sell them as such. No one contests that. You are getting bogged down in semantics.




No. I'm just making sure there's clarity out there for people that are looking at three very close RTX 3090 Ti SKUs from EVGA. For some people - the answer is get the cheapest RTX 3090 Ti. For others - when buying top end, the answer is to get the best RTX 3090 Ti. Due to binning, there are advantages to going up the stack within EVGA's product line. Full stop. To say they are not binned is minimizing the difference between the cards and not presenting all of the info. It's not just a different BIOS.




The difference between the cards should be minimized. Because there isn't much of a difference at all. Its a cash grab to have all these different tiers. It's the only way for EVGA to get their margins to be higher. To make people think the ultra chips are somehow better. And you are falling for it. They might be better or might not. All they did was verify that a certain chip can hit 1920Mhz and put in into an ultra card. They didn't verify that a black chip cannot hit 1920Mhz. Not many chips, if any, won't hit 1920Mhz. Its a low bar for an "ultra" card to hit. Just because they tested one chip and it hits ultra speed and is labeled ultra, doesn't mean a chip labeled black won't hit the ultra speed. You are rolling the overclocking dice with any card,  black or gaming or ultra unless your only bar is to hit a guaranteed 1920Mhz then by all means buy that ultra and get that guarantee. I would be shocked to see anyone post they couldn't hit 1920Mhz with any 3090Ti.

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