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Re: Intel Core i9-10980XE Review: 18-Core Cascade Lake-X Battles AMD 2019/12/01 10:02:14 (permalink)
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Oh you bet!.  Let me know when you buy the CPU so i can add the magic sprinkles for ya




Will do!  

He's really going to buy one?!? Why?!? For what application? There are way better CPUs for gaming. And there are way better CPUs for creators. It's not really the right CPU for either application. Even in the price range, there is at least one CPU which is the same or better for cheaper. Read the reviews man! It's a refresh, and it is slower than a 9980XE. Even if you absolutely hate AMD, it still makes little sense; you can buy a used 7980XE right now, for cheaper, and it will perform better.


Having to switch platforms is the main issue. Sure you can go with a cheaper motherboard, but most won't want to sacrifice on features to move. The switch then requires another 300+ on a board to make the switch.

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Re: Intel Core i9-10980XE Review: 18-Core Cascade Lake-X Battles AMD 2019/12/01 10:06:32 (permalink)
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Oh you bet!.  Let me know when you buy the CPU so i can add the magic sprinkles for ya




Will do!  

He's really going to buy one?!? Why?!? For what application? There are way better CPUs for gaming. And there are way better CPUs for creators. It's not really the right CPU for either application. Even in the price range, there is at least one CPU which is the same or better for cheaper. Read the reviews man! It's a refresh, and it is slower than a 9980XE. Even if you absolutely hate AMD, it still makes little sense; you can buy a used 7980XE right now, for cheaper, and it will perform better.


Having to switch platforms is the main issue. Sure you can go with a cheaper motherboard, but most won't want to sacrifice on features to move. The switch then requires another 300+ on a board to make the switch.

I understand that switching to AMD isn't an option for some.  I kind of said that already, didn't I?  Like I said, regardless, even if someone is not going to buy a AMD CPU, why buy a 10980XE?  I mean, really, why?  I wish he would share his rationale and opinions.  Like I said, even completely ignoring the AMD CPUs, the 10980XE is still not a very good choice.  The 9900K is significantly cheaper and performs better in games.  Or, if games is not his intended application, you can buy a used 7980XE, right now (you don't even have to wait!), and the used 7980XE is clock-for-clock often faster than a 10980XE and is cheaper than a 10980XE.  So, please, GTXJackBauer, let us know your intended application and WHY do you think the 10980XE is a good option?  I mean, really, I want to know.
 
New 7980XE open box: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Core-i9-7980XE-2-60GHz-Eigteen-Core-BX80673I97980X-PROCESSOR/183878245385 $999
Used 7980XE: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Core-i9-7980XE-Professionally-Delidded-Sealed-by-Silicon-Lottery/223765499591 $950 - already delidded and relidded by silicon lottery
No use posting all of the links for 9900K or 9700K.
No use posting all of the links to all of the reviews for 10980XE where they unanimously recommend NOT buying a 10980XE.
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Re: Intel Core i9-10980XE Review: 18-Core Cascade Lake-X Battles AMD 2019/12/01 16:59:13 (permalink)
Tyger, you're being too aggressive and need a blue chill pill.  I don't need to explain to you or anyone why I use the HEDT platform but as I said earlier, I can't wait to grab a i9-10980XE because it's not the best or the worst chip on the planet.  I have my reasons why I want to and will not share it with you any further so you can criticize my decision and for the record, this decision wasn't based on being a 'fan boy' either for some that might misinterpret my comments.
 
That is all from my end.  Hope you're day is going well too.

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Re: Intel Core i9-10980XE Review: 18-Core Cascade Lake-X Battles AMD 2019/12/01 17:13:34 (permalink)
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Tyger, you're being too aggressive and need a blue chill pill.  I don't need to explain to you or anyone why I use the HEDT platform but as I said earlier, I can't wait to grab a i9-10980XE because it's not the best or the worst chip on the planet.  I have my reasons why I want to and will not share it with you any further so you can criticize my decision and for the record, this decision wasn't based on being a 'fan boy' either for some that might misinterpret my comments.
 
That is all from my end.  Hope you're day is going well too.


but..the          will make it better.  There is enough for everyone.

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Re: Intel Core i9-10980XE Review: 18-Core Cascade Lake-X Battles AMD 2019/12/01 17:52:19 (permalink)
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Tyger, you're being too aggressive and need a blue chill pill.  I don't need to explain to you or anyone why I use the HEDT platform but as I said earlier, I can't wait to grab a i9-10980XE because it's not the best or the worst chip on the planet.  I have my reasons why I want to and will not share it with you any further so you can criticize my decision and for the record, this decision wasn't based on being a 'fan boy' either for some that might misinterpret my comments.
 
That is all from my end.  Hope you're day is going well too.

Alright, enjoy "the most disappointing CPU of 2019".
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Re: Intel Core i9-10980XE Review: 18-Core Cascade Lake-X Battles AMD 2019/12/01 20:11:46 (permalink)
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Tyger, you're being too aggressive and need a blue chill pill.  I don't need to explain to you or anyone why I use the HEDT platform but as I said earlier, I can't wait to grab a i9-10980XE because it's not the best or the worst chip on the planet.  I have my reasons why I want to and will not share it with you any further so you can criticize my decision and for the record, this decision wasn't based on being a 'fan boy' either for some that might misinterpret my comments.
 
That is all from my end.  Hope you're day is going well too.




Well said, no need to explain to anyone why or what you spend your hard earned money on.
 
Also its not a terrible CPU people, just not a good value(most HEDT isn't though), hell a few years ago when the slow 10 core 6950x was $1700 this CPU would have been jaw a dropping good value. Also if you already have a nice X299 setup its a great upgrade if on lower core count CPU. 
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Re: Intel Core i9-10980XE Review: 18-Core Cascade Lake-X Battles AMD 2019/12/01 20:57:40 (permalink)
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Tyger, you're being too aggressive and need a blue chill pill.  I don't need to explain to you or anyone why I use the HEDT platform but as I said earlier, I can't wait to grab a i9-10980XE because it's not the best or the worst chip on the planet.  I have my reasons why I want to and will not share it with you any further so you can criticize my decision and for the record, this decision wasn't based on being a 'fan boy' either for some that might misinterpret my comments.
 
That is all from my end.  Hope you're day is going well too.




Well said, no need to explain to anyone why or what you spend your hard earned money on.
 
Also its not a terrible CPU people, just not a good value(most HEDT isn't though), hell a few years ago when the slow 10 core 6950x was $1700 this CPU would have been jaw a dropping good value. Also if you already have a nice X299 setup its a great upgrade if on lower core count CPU. 


Just like Nvidia, Intel is doing the same thing, milking the same tech. Many reviewers stated  why release a refresh instead of of a new tech, better yet, work on a better CPU to compete. Funny how the table turns right? Ironic is it not? when table turns to those that were bashing the underdog all this time (AMD) now they are hurt that Intel is not longer the so called Titan, monopoly, dominated force. 
Like it or not, it is said and done, Intel does not longer dominates the CPU market anymore. 
Dell calling out Intel is completely an embarrassment. Where are the profits Intel gain all these years?

Those who abuse power, are nothing but scumbags!
 The challenge of power is how to use it and not abuse it. When you abuse it, it reverses on you and it hurts you.The abuse of power that seems to create the most unhappiness is when a person uses personal power to get ahead without regards to the welfare of others, people are obsessed with it. You can take a nice person and turn them into a slob, into an insane being, craving power, destroying anything that stands in their way.
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Re: Intel Core i9-10980XE Review: 18-Core Cascade Lake-X Battles AMD 2019/12/01 21:28:58 (permalink)
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Tyger, you're being too aggressive and need a blue chill pill.  I don't need to explain to you or anyone why I use the HEDT platform but as I said earlier, I can't wait to grab a i9-10980XE because it's not the best or the worst chip on the planet.  I have my reasons why I want to and will not share it with you any further so you can criticize my decision and for the record, this decision wasn't based on being a 'fan boy' either for some that might misinterpret my comments.
 
That is all from my end.  Hope you're day is going well too.




Well said, no need to explain to anyone why or what you spend your hard earned money on.
 
Also its not a terrible CPU people, just not a good value(most HEDT isn't though), hell a few years ago when the slow 10 core 6950x was $1700 this CPU would have been jaw a dropping good value. Also if you already have a nice X299 setup its a great upgrade if on lower core count CPU. 



Appreciate that.  It's just in my case, its makes more sense for me to go this route otherwise it would actually cost me more out of pocket to make the switch plus, I'd like to stick with EVGA Support cause they rock.  I guess I'm a Intel, Nvidia and EVGA fanboy now. 
 
ty_ger07
 
Alright, enjoy "the most disappointing CPU of 2019".
 

 
atfrico
 
Funny how the table turns right? Ironic is it not? when table turns to those that were bashing the underdog all this time (AMD) now they are hurt that Intel is not longer the so called Titan, monopoly, dominated force. 
Like it or not, it is said and done, Intel does not longer dominates the CPU market anymore. 
Dell calling out Intel is completely an embarrassment. Where are the profits Intel gain all these years?




What in the hell are you mumbling about?  AMD finally beat intel in the CPUs and it hasn't been even a year yet versus intel's 10+???  This is a joke if you want to go toe to toe.  I suspect intel is pulling back so they don't get slapped by anti-trust lawsuits since they dominated for so long and still do in market share.  It will take TIME for AMD to take a few sprinkles off but by than, Intel will be back into the game.  The jokes on you sprinkle dust.  
 

 
 
Oh and btw, let me add this tidbit.
 

 

 
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Re: Intel Core i9-10980XE Review: 18-Core Cascade Lake-X Battles AMD 2019/12/01 21:40:51 (permalink)
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Tyger, you're being too aggressive and need a blue chill pill.  I don't need to explain to you or anyone why I use the HEDT platform but as I said earlier, I can't wait to grab a i9-10980XE because it's not the best or the worst chip on the planet.  I have my reasons why I want to and will not share it with you any further so you can criticize my decision and for the record, this decision wasn't based on being a 'fan boy' either for some that might misinterpret my comments.
 
That is all from my end.  Hope you're day is going well too.




Well said, no need to explain to anyone why or what you spend your hard earned money on.
 
Also its not a terrible CPU people, just not a good value(most HEDT isn't though), hell a few years ago when the slow 10 core 6950x was $1700 this CPU would have been jaw a dropping good value. Also if you already have a nice X299 setup its a great upgrade if on lower core count CPU. 



Appreciate that.  It's just in my case, its makes more sense for me to go this route otherwise it would actually cost me more out of pocket to make the switch plus, I'd like to stick with EVGA Support cause they rock.  I guess I'm a Intel, Nvidia and EVGA fanboy now. 
 
ty_ger07
 
Alright, enjoy "the most disappointing CPU of 2019".
 

 
atfrico
 
Funny how the table turns right? Ironic is it not? when table turns to those that were bashing the underdog all this time (AMD) now they are hurt that Intel is not longer the so called Titan, monopoly, dominated force. 
Like it or not, it is said and done, Intel does not longer dominates the CPU market anymore. 
Dell calling out Intel is completely an embarrassment. Where are the profits Intel gain all these years?




What in the hell are you mumbling about?  AMD finally beat intel in the CPUs and it hasn't been even a year yet versus intel's 10+???  This is a joke if you want to go toe to toe.  I suspect intel is pulling back so they don't get slapped by anti-trust lawsuits since they dominated for so long and still do in market share.  It will take TIME for AMD to take a few sprinkles off but by than, Intel will be back into the game.  The jokes on you sprinkle dust.  
 

 
 
Oh and btw, let me add this tidbit.
 

 

 
Source

Yay a valid favor side Intel review. Let me ignore all those reviews that are spot on on telling the truth and go by the one you posted.

fact: the joke is on those in denial. You sure are having a good early morning day.

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Re: Intel Core i9-10980XE Review: 18-Core Cascade Lake-X Battles AMD 2019/12/01 21:46:25 (permalink)
I just spent some time messing around with a i9 9820X this weekend and it wasn't anything special on my X299 set-up and it's actually worse than my i7 7820X when it came down to gaming... My i7 9700K has been hitting 100% CPU utilization while playing some of the more recent games. I spent about 10 hours of today messing around with the i9 9900K and i9 9900KS. My G.Skill memory does not work with it's XMP profile on the i9 9900K. It does work on the i9 9900KS, but it blue screens every 20 minutes or so. They both run really hot too... So they both were returned. My RAM is listed on the QVL list for the Gigabyte X570 Master board... I'll likely pick up a 3900X, a PCI-E 4.0 drive and that Gigabyte board up after work tomorrow to see the difference...

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Re: Intel Core i9-10980XE Review: 18-Core Cascade Lake-X Battles AMD 2019/12/02 02:21:27 (permalink)
I don't know why someone say reviews about Cascade Lake-X are terrible and people shouldn't buy.
Cascade Lake-X with 18 core have significant frequency for so many cores and it's great gaming audio/video editing processors for amateurs and home users. More then enough. You don't need to tolerate 3.5GHz all the time because insane number of cores. 
My recommendation for hard core gaming RIG go exactly to 10900X/10920X or 10980XE depend of budget.
AMD dominate with huge number of cores, Intel with highest frequency on mainstream, this is between them, best from both worlds.
And important part is best possible motherboard, peace of art, X299 Dark.
What people should buy Zenith II Extreme for 850$ and 24 cores? For games? No, 10920X and X299 Dark with 32GB 3200MHz C14.
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Intel Core i9-10980XE Review: 18-Core Cascade Lake-X Battles AMD 2019/12/02 02:31:31 (permalink)
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I don't know why someone say reviews about Cascade Lake-X are terrible and people shouldn't buy.
Cascade Lake-X with 18 core have significant frequency for so many cores and it's great gaming audio/video editing processors for amateurs and home users. More then enough. You don't need to tolerate 3.5GHz all the time because insane number of cores. 
My recommendation for hard core gaming RIG go exactly to 10900X/10920X or 10980XE depend of budget.
 
 

 
You are correct Cascade lake aren't terrible CPU's, they are just disappointing. The aren't the best at anything except AVX512, Threadripper 3k is better at almost everything including gaming unless the cascade lake cpu is heavily overclocked which throws efficiency out the window. The 9900k is a better gaming CPU really for 99% of the people out there. Threadripper is better for work like task like Adobe Premier or rendering. Cascade Lake is a decent CPU and the right choice for some, it just has a very niche strength which makes it hard to recommend.
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Re: Intel Core i9-10980XE Review: 18-Core Cascade Lake-X Battles AMD 2019/12/02 04:01:05 (permalink)
The CPU is terrible for the price and performance. Intel is following Nvidia shannigans, overpricing products with a refresh of the same tech. In another words i find it insulting these companies treat their customers like they are dumb people who don't have the brains to know they are being overcharged. You are paying more due to its name brand that is it. AMD have to charge according to its performance not brand name.

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Re: Intel Core i9-10980XE Review: 18-Core Cascade Lake-X Battles AMD 2019/12/02 05:01:53 (permalink)
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The CPU is terrible for the price and performance. Intel is following Nvidia shannigans, overpricing products with a refresh of the same tech. In another words i find it insulting these companies treat their customers like they are dumb people who don't have the brains to know they are being overcharged. You are paying more due to its name brand that is it. AMD have to charge according to its performance not brand name.

The Ryzen 9 3950X is a better choice and has less heat if you want more than 12 cores. 

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Re: Intel Core i9-10980XE Review: 18-Core Cascade Lake-X Battles AMD 2019/12/02 06:03:31 (permalink)
You want to say that Threadripper on lower frequency have higher fps then Intel Cascade Lake-X in games with max usage 4-6 cores?
How?
Anyway gaming PC will soon to become one board size Mini ITX with build in processor,
graphic processor and some excellent Sound chip with 150W power consumption.
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Re: Intel Core i9-10980XE Review: 18-Core Cascade Lake-X Battles AMD 2019/12/02 06:48:31 (permalink)
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You want to say that Threadripper on lower frequency have higher fps then Intel Cascade Lake-X in games with max usage 4-6 cores?

Check the reviews. The AMD Ryzen 9 3650X has overall better performance (including gaming) than any Cascade Lake-X CPU. There are some games or applications where that isn't the case, but as the reviewers say, when the Intel 10980XE does beat the AMD 3650X, the performance difference is insignificant; and overall the AMD outperforms the Intel CPU on average. And the AMD 3650X is significantly cheaper, and uses less power. To add insult to injury, there are 2 even higher performance AMD CPUs to choose from, but at a significantly higher price.
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Re: Intel Core i9-10980XE Review: 18-Core Cascade Lake-X Battles AMD 2019/12/02 06:57:38 (permalink)
The Ryzen 9 3950X is very hard to obtain though.

It does look like the i9 10900X is in stock now:
https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100007671%2050001157%20601345721&Manufactory=1157
 
That's probably the best for gaming since it's base/boost frequencies are a little higher.

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Re: Intel Core i9-10980XE Review: 18-Core Cascade Lake-X Battles AMD 2019/12/02 07:10:03 (permalink)
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You want to say that Threadripper on lower frequency have higher fps then Intel Cascade Lake-X in games with max usage 4-6 cores?
How?
Anyway gaming PC will soon to become one board size Mini ITX with build in processor,
graphic processor and some excellent Sound chip with 150W power consumption.




It's called better IPC,(instructions per cycle) Ryzen 3k and threadripper 3 have a more efficient core. Look at the single core on all the Ryzen 3k stuff, its all at lower clocks and less power but still right there with high clocked intel. Multi-core is just icing on the cake. I will say Intel has better overclocking head room though but efficiency goes out the window.
 
Clock speed isn't everything, that is the reason a old Sandy bridge CPU's at 4.0 Ghz would easily out perform an old AMD FX cpu at 5.0 Ghz. The old AMD bulldozer core was very inefficient, things have changed around this time.
 

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Re: Intel Core i9-10980XE Review: 18-Core Cascade Lake-X Battles AMD 2019/12/02 07:12:27 (permalink)
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Anyway gaming PC will soon to become one board size Mini ITX with build in processor,
graphic processor and some excellent Sound chip with 150W power consumption.




That's the definition of a gaming console, we already have those...
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Re: Intel Core i9-10980XE Review: 18-Core Cascade Lake-X Battles AMD 2019/12/02 08:27:56 (permalink)
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I just spent some time messing around with a i9 9820X this weekend and it wasn't anything special on my X299 set-up and it's actually worse than my i7 7820X when it came down to gaming... My i7 9700K has been hitting 100% CPU utilization while playing some of the more recent games. I spent about 10 hours of today messing around with the i9 9900K and i9 9900KS. My G.Skill memory does not work with it's XMP profile on the i9 9900K. It does work on the i9 9900KS, but it blue screens every 20 minutes or so. They both run really hot too... So they both were returned. My RAM is listed on the QVL list for the Gigabyte X570 Master board... I'll likely pick up a 3900X, a PCI-E 4.0 drive and that Gigabyte board up after work tomorrow to see the difference...




From all the benchmark websites I have checked out...the 9820X was called "7820X Extreme".  However...the issue was...that with the lower cost, one had to accept lower clocks and higher voltages.  So in order to get the most out of the 9820X, you had to manipulate the voltage and clocks in order to get better than 7820X performance.  I spent some appreciable time with some folks at techpowerup.com and kept massaging my 7820X until I found the sweet spot.  My goal was to up performance, per core...while keeping voltages low enough to keep temps below 90C.  The sweet spot, for my X299 FTW K is 1.17 V with all core at 46 and mesh at 30.  At full load, my CPU runs at 84C maxxed out.  I can get 4.8 GHZ on all core at 1.19 v, but the temps of the chip reach 92C at full load, which made me uncomfortable.  I will keep at 4.6 and my performance in Cinebench R20 is pretty decent. 
 

 
I can live with this for now.  There is no question that the new AMD Ryzen series is a better value.  Intel has overpriced "Cascade Lake X) by anywhere from $100-$150 per chip level.  The 10900X is supposed to be $599, but anyone who has it in stock is charging $699.   The 10920X is supposed to be $699 but right now can be found at $799 and so on.  Intel should be charging $499 for the 10900X and $549 for the 10920X and things would be more interesting.  The 10980X is $999 and can be found for $1099...vendors are showing greed...and frankly price vs performance is really low with Intel right now.  For $999 you can get the AMD Ryzen 9 3950 and a good motherboard.  For the price of the 10920X (12 core), you can get a Ryzen 9 3900X (12 core) and a 570 chipset motherboard.  The performance leans toward Ryzen, right now...because single core is on par with Intel, but multicore is owned by AMD.  I am sitting on the money I put aside to upgrade (my true wish was to keep my EVGA X299 FTW K motherboard and upgrade the processor), but Intel and vendors are making it difficult because they still  overvalue their product line...then with vendors inflating the price...it becomes ridiculous!  So for now...I tweaked my 7820X and am satisfied enough to let time pass, to see where it all goes...
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Re: Intel Core i9-10980XE Review: 18-Core Cascade Lake-X Battles AMD 2019/12/02 09:11:12 (permalink)
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I just spent some time messing around with a i9 9820X this weekend and it wasn't anything special on my X299 set-up and it's actually worse than my i7 7820X when it came down to gaming... My i7 9700K has been hitting 100% CPU utilization while playing some of the more recent games. I spent about 10 hours of today messing around with the i9 9900K and i9 9900KS. My G.Skill memory does not work with it's XMP profile on the i9 9900K. It does work on the i9 9900KS, but it blue screens every 20 minutes or so. They both run really hot too... So they both were returned. My RAM is listed on the QVL list for the Gigabyte X570 Master board... I'll likely pick up a 3900X, a PCI-E 4.0 drive and that Gigabyte board up after work tomorrow to see the difference...




From all the benchmark websites I have checked out...the 9820X was called "7820X Extreme".  However...the issue was...that with the lower cost, one had to accept lower clocks and higher voltages.  So in order to get the most out of the 9820X, you had to manipulate the voltage and clocks in order to get better than 7820X performance.  I spent some appreciable time with some folks at techpowerup.com and kept massaging my 7820X until I found the sweet spot.  My goal was to up performance, per core...while keeping voltages low enough to keep temps below 90C.  The sweet spot, for my X299 FTW K is 1.17 V with all core at 46 and mesh at 30.  At full load, my CPU runs at 84C maxxed out.  I can get 4.8 GHZ on all core at 1.19 v, but the temps of the chip reach 92C at full load, which made me uncomfortable.  I will keep at 4.6 and my performance in Cinebench R20 is pretty decent. 
 

 
I can live with this for now.  There is no question that the new AMD Ryzen series is a better value.  Intel has overpriced "Cascade Lake X) by anywhere from $100-$150 per chip level.  The 10900X is supposed to be $599, but anyone who has it in stock is charging $699.   The 10920X is supposed to be $699 but right now can be found at $799 and so on.  Intel should be charging $499 for the 10900X and $549 for the 10920X and things would be more interesting.  The 10980X is $999 and can be found for $1099...vendors are showing greed...and frankly price vs performance is really low with Intel right now.  For $999 you can get the AMD Ryzen 9 3950 and a good motherboard.  For the price of the 10920X (12 core), you can get a Ryzen 9 3900X (12 core) and a 570 chipset motherboard.  The performance leans toward Ryzen, right now...because single core is on par with Intel, but multicore is owned by AMD.  I am sitting on the money I put aside to upgrade (my true wish was to keep my EVGA X299 FTW K motherboard and upgrade the processor), but Intel and vendors are making it difficult because they still  overvalue their product line...then with vendors inflating the price...it becomes ridiculous!  So for now...I tweaked my 7820X and am satisfied enough to let time pass, to see where it all goes...




Yeah, I spent a decent amount of time on my i7 7820X tweaking it. Before deliding, I was maxed out at 4.7GHz. The drop in temps from the delid allowed a 4.8GHz overclock. I tried messing around with the i9 9820X by just playing around with the multiplier. I expect it would be good for 4.6GHz but as soon as I clicked accept, my PC crashed and wouldn't recover. I had to pull the CMOS battery from the board to get it back up again and I didn't have the patience to mess with overclocking if I needed to remove the CMOS battery every time I get an unstable clock.
 
I'm kinda in limbo right now too... I've spent quite a bit of money on my set-up's as it is right now and selling off parts from 2 rigs to get a Ryzen set-up is making me reconsider doing anything at all. I'm probably just going to chill for a few months to see if anything is worth waiting out for.

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Re: Intel Core i9-10980XE Review: 18-Core Cascade Lake-X Battles AMD 2019/12/02 09:31:42 (permalink)
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The Ryzen 9 3950X is very hard to obtain though.

It does look like the i9 10900X is in stock now:
https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100007671%2050001157%20601345721&Manufactory=1157
 
That's probably the best for gaming since it's base/boost frequencies are a little higher.


The AMD Ryzen 9 3950X and Threadripper 3rd gen CPUs are very high in demand and AMD can't make enough of them. They came back in stock today at Newegg and sold out in 3 minutes. The Intel 10980XE is in the same situation. 
 
Both Intel and AMD have vastly underestimated demand for HEDT CPUs and both companies will have supply issues for these CPUs for various reasons for weeks. 

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Re: Intel Core i9-10980XE Review: 18-Core Cascade Lake-X Battles AMD 2019/12/02 09:40:17 (permalink)
I found the link I was looking for:
"300+ Benchmarks With AMD Threadripper 3960X vs. Intel Core i9 10980XE"
https://www.phoronix.com/...960x-10980xe&num=1



Lots of bars on the AMD 3960x side.
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Re: Intel Core i9-10980XE Review: 18-Core Cascade Lake-X Battles AMD 2019/12/02 11:16:52 (permalink)
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The CPU is terrible for the price and performance. Intel is following Nvidia shannigans, overpricing products with a refresh of the same tech. In another words i find it insulting these companies treat their customers like they are dumb people who don't have the brains to know they are being overcharged. You are paying more due to its name brand that is it. AMD have to charge according to its performance not brand name.

The Ryzen 9 3950X is a better choice and has less heat if you want more than 12 cores. 

It is a.better.option.and many out.there but certain people dont want to hear that.
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Re: Intel Core i9-10980XE Review: 18-Core Cascade Lake-X Battles AMD 2019/12/02 11:58:12 (permalink)
I'd be interesting in the 3950X but I don't like its limitations on PCIe Lanes.  3960X is way out of budget hence my decision on the 10980XE.

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Re: Intel Core i9-10980XE Review: 18-Core Cascade Lake-X Battles AMD 2019/12/04 10:28:11 (permalink)
Is the 7920/40X a better buy? I can actually get them cheaper and have a delid tool.
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Re: Intel Core i9-10980XE Review: 18-Core Cascade Lake-X Battles AMD 2019/12/04 12:05:40 (permalink)
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I'd be interesting in the 3950X but I don't like its limitations on PCIe Lanes.  3960X is way out of budget hence my decision on the 10980XE.


Any of the CPUs you mentioned will be very hard to find right now due to Intel and AMD supply issues.

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Re: Intel Core i9-10980XE Review: 18-Core Cascade Lake-X Battles AMD 2019/12/04 12:58:24 (permalink)
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Is the 7920/40X a better buy? I can actually get them cheaper and have a delid tool.


If cheaper then probably.
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Re: Intel Core i9-10980XE Review: 18-Core Cascade Lake-X Battles AMD 2019/12/04 14:40:18 (permalink)
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Is the 7920/40X a better buy? I can actually get them cheaper and have a delid tool.


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Or, if games is not his intended application, you can buy a used 7980XE, right now (you don't even have to wait!), and the used 7980XE is clock-for-clock often faster than a 10980XE and is cheaper than a 10980XE. ...

New 7980XE open box: https://www.ebay.com/itm/...PROCESSOR/183878245385 $999
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Re: Intel Core i9-10980XE Review: 18-Core Cascade Lake-X Battles AMD 2019/12/04 16:00:39 (permalink)
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Is the 7920/40X a better buy? I can actually get them cheaper and have a delid tool.


If cheaper then probably.



Don't forget, too...that the original Skylake-X (even though were pasted instead of soldered)...have a lower TDP of 140W (except the top tier...but 7940 is 140W) vs the refresh and 109XX series, which both have 165.  The latter gens are going to be as hot as the original series...but the original series are supposedly better overclockers.  The 7920 may get you where you want to go. 

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