problems???? its dead
read charlies story
 

Intel guts 10nm to get it out the door

What Intel is not telling you, or the analysts, is that the 10nm you may get in late 2019 is not the 10nm they had intended to come out in 2015. More importantly this new process is a significant step backward from the 10nm they promised, as touted in their manufacturing day. How much of a step backwards? Several of SemiAccurate’s moles are saying it is effectively a 12nm process rather than a 10nm process, and the technical changes more than back that claim up. Don’t expect this to ever be publicly admitted to, it is still ’10nm’ and always will be even if the tech doesn’t back that name up.
 
https://semiaccurate.com/...o-get-it-out-the-door/
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they are basically giving up and going to 7nm
 
 
reason if they went EUV on 10nm it would delay it long enough to be out at the same time as the 7nm EUV  they had planned
so they are basically using 14nm+++ and + and saying its 10nm ...ie the story says 12nm - which for TSMC was a refined 14nm process going to 12nm
and Intel is doing the same
 
 

the lack of understanding of the industry here is glaring
 

Similar to Broadwell, Cannonlake was not expected to be a fruitful launch.  Then I was only expecting Icelake to sell well based on hardware fixes for spectre and meltdown, not to mention some expected new features such as PCI-e 4.0.  But the Icelake CPUs themselves at best will be only as fast as the upcoming coffeelake refresh launch, however I think it will still fall a bit short.  I bet we will not see any performance improvements beyond coffeelake refresh to CPUs until Tigerlake launches.  In which case if any of these rumors are fact, they should have it all worked out by then.  I cannot believe that they would release 12nm as 10nm considering AMD, not to mention every consumer that buys from Intel, would attack Intel for false advertising similar to NVidia and the GTX970 VRAM issue.  To give their competition and the public that kind of ammunition would be incredibly stupid.  Other details such as the transistor density, I could see them pulling back on their goals to eliminate further delays if it became the primary issue; but they definitely will not be producing 12nm and selling as 10nm.  But I think if they decided to cut back on their goals to speed up the 10nm release, there would not be as big of a delay as we are witnessing.

Xavier Zepherious
Well forget about 10nm for 2019
 
Intel has revised roadmap 
 
cooper lake is now going on 14nm++++ in 2019 (this was suppose to be 10nm)
and ice lake slated for 10nm in 2020
 
https://wccftech.com/inte...19-ice-lake-10nm-2020/
 

Intel needs to just use an outside foundry and stop making mistakes. Intel is in dire need of a new CEO that can properly lead them through this mess.

rjohnson11

Xavier Zepherious
Well forget about 10nm for 2019
 
Intel has revised roadmap 
 
cooper lake is now going on 14nm++++ in 2019 (this was suppose to be 10nm)
and ice lake slated for 10nm in 2020
 
https://wccftech.com/inte...19-ice-lake-10nm-2020/
 

Intel needs to just use an outside foundry and stop making mistakes. Intel is in dire need of a new CEO that can properly lead them through this mess.

Mess? What mess?
 
https://www.earningswhispers.com/epsdetails/intc

Xavier Zepherious
if it wasn't the IOT's and other segments of their portfolio they would be starting to lose money
diversification has made them more profitable long term
 

If, if, if, if...lol
 
Intel is making money hand over fist.

Really Intel has nothing to fear as about every IT department is going to continue to want Intel based chips in workstations over AMD. That is the biggest market for them and they have no risk on that for years to come.

kram36

rjohnson11

Xavier Zepherious
Well forget about 10nm for 2019
 
Intel has revised roadmap 
 
cooper lake is now going on 14nm++++ in 2019 (this was suppose to be 10nm)
and ice lake slated for 10nm in 2020
 
https://wccftech.com/inte...19-ice-lake-10nm-2020/
 

Intel needs to just use an outside foundry and stop making mistakes. Intel is in dire need of a new CEO that can properly lead them through this mess.

Mess? What mess?
 
https://www.earningswhispers.com/epsdetails/intc

Their 10nm fiasco

Considering we are at the point you cant compare nm between foundries anymore makes me less worried about this.
When the 7nm that AMD is planning on using isnt as good as the 10nm from intel that got delayed, it makes it hard to parse out what this actually means. 
 
Hell even with intel 14nm and 14nm can mean two different things if its the 14nm from 2 years ago vs the 14nm from today.
 

Cool GTX
IMO the newer smaller nm is all about mobile & getting longer life from batteries
 
We will have to see about Performance when chips are reviewed

If people can get 5GHz on all cores of the i9-9900K cpu with a AIO, Intel better have a large stock of them, because they are going to sell big time.

Cool GTX

kram36

Cool GTX
IMO the newer smaller nm is all about mobile & getting longer life from batteries
 
We will have to see about Performance when chips are reviewed

If people can get 5GHz on all cores of the i9-9900K cpu with a AIO, Intel better have a large stock of them, because they are going to sell big time.

I'll agree with that unless they are $1500 or more
 
excerpt from:  Intel's Monster Core i9-9900K 8-core Processor Will Reach A Massive 5GHz With 4.7GHz All-Core Boost
"will be able to reach a boost frequency of 5GHz in lightly-threaded workloads using one or two-cores at stock speed, as well as reach 4.7GHz when all cores are boosted too."
 
now if only they could throw in a few new instruction sets

Any price guess? Think it will be under $400?